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Offline Finallygotit

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3810 on: April 03, 2014, 04:02:24 PM »
Midget,

I found something that I thought would help motivate ya.  It starts around the 1 minute mark.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VflfZi4822k

I still can't figure out how you fit in that thing.

EDIT: I'm thinking, in your case, the bailout procedure is more like an ooze-out procedure.  :-D  :cheers:
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3811 on: April 03, 2014, 06:09:23 PM »
Midget,

I found something that I thought would help motivate ya.  It starts around the 1 minute mark.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VflfZi4822k

I still can't figure out how you fit in that thing.

Well, one thing is for sure.   You can tell from the video whose engine is tuned up . . . . . . . 

Uhhhmmm,    it's Chris origami    :wink:

Back to the last of the Oktoberfest . . . . .   :wink:   :wink:   :wink:
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« Reply #3812 on: April 03, 2014, 06:55:51 PM »
Thanks for that link!  I guess I had forgotten that I had short-shifted on one of the runs.

I've owned 2 Midgets, but I have less than 40 miles experience driving one . . .
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3813 on: April 03, 2014, 07:22:40 PM »

I'm thinking, in your case, the bailout procedure is more like an ooze-out procedure.  :-D  :cheers:

It's tougher getting in than out.  Once I'm in, I'm spring loaded.

Got off the phone with FedEx about two hours ago.  Looks like I've got some customs and EPA paperwork to fill out before I get my engine.

But it IS in Milwaukee!   :cheers:
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« Reply #3814 on: April 03, 2014, 07:46:59 PM »
You don't need it until late anyway August Chris  :-D

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3815 on: April 03, 2014, 10:13:17 PM »
You don't need it until late anyway August Chris  :-D

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True and not true.  The plan is to have this thing up and flying in 2016, but knowing how long it took to get a custom crank made - which this will require - I'd like to see it before my summer gets hectic with work.

Mark's already running three simulations in preparation, but I'm physically going to have to disassemble it and do some measurements to determine precisely which way to go.

Questions we'll be looking to answer - this time, BEFORE I start cutting things -

How much, if any, can I shave off of the block?

What is the volume of the combustion chambers?

How thick is the head, and how much might I be able to trim off of it?

It is aluminum - might I be able to do some welding to configure the combustion chamber to better promote flow/swirl/quench?

How small can I make the bores before I run into valve interference with the cylinder walls?  The engine uses liners, so a custom diameter is a real possibility.

If I go with a smaller diameter bore, and the valve spacing hangs out too far, what are my options as far as either
 a - smaller valves?
 b - notching the bores?
 c - any other options that physically looking at it might afford?

How long of a connecting rod will I be able to/be forced to use?

Are there over-the-counter options as far as HP rods, pistons, bearings, etc. that I can incorporate to minimize cash outlay?

So while I need to focus on getting the Grenade back together, I'd like to know before I go in August whether I'll be able to make this work.  It's a long-term strategy, designed to take me into my retirement years . . .

At which point, I might have enough time to start getting serious about this Bonneville thing. 
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3816 on: April 05, 2014, 07:04:57 AM »

So while I need to focus on getting the Grenade back together, I'd like to know before I go in August whether I'll be able to make this work.  It's a long-term strategy, designed to take me into my retirement years . . .

At which point, I might have enough time to start getting serious about this Bonneville thing. 
 

midget,

Play Lotto or Mega Millions . . . . . . . .   maybe early retirement with a tricked out hobby shop . . . . . . .    then again, Lotto/M-M just might be "the Stupid Tax" . . . . . . . .   :wink:
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3817 on: April 05, 2014, 07:26:29 AM »
How goes the battle with the EPA?

Is it "Argument", or has it become "Abuse"?

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« Reply #3818 on: April 05, 2014, 12:01:47 PM »
How goes the battle with the EPA?

Is it "Argument", or has it become "Abuse"?

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Montypythonboy

No arrows or slings - it's just me getting the proper forms filled out and into the hands of those who really want to make this thing go away.

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« Reply #3819 on: April 05, 2014, 08:08:22 PM »
So Chris, after contemplating the profile of the midget, a radical musing:

What do you suppose would be the effect of running with the trunk lid propped part way open?  May not do anything for the aero, but if it helps, wouldn’t take much to get the 3 mph.  Don’t have a current rulebook, but it would probably be in a gray area.

I looked but couldn’t find a suitable (cheap) model with hardtop and operable trunk lid for testing.

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« Reply #3820 on: April 05, 2014, 11:05:35 PM »
Two issues there, IO -

1 - The rules for production say that body panels need to be "mounted in original relationship with each other".  While it is still attached at the hinges, I could make a technical argument, but the last thing you want in impound is an argument.  And the underside of the lid might cause lift.

2 - I store a snow scraper in the trunk to prop up the lid, and don't want to risk losing it.

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« Reply #3821 on: April 06, 2014, 01:07:58 PM »
Save it for World Finals -- you never know.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3822 on: April 06, 2014, 01:24:43 PM »
Save it for World Finals -- you never know.

Stan.... picking on the Finals and the World of Speed these days  :?  :?   :?
That is so unlike you... are you on your second box  :-D
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« Reply #3823 on: April 08, 2014, 12:00:52 AM »
Save it for World Finals -- you never know.

Stan.... picking on the Finals and the World of Speed these days  :?  :?   :?
That is so unlike you... are you on your second box  :-D

Stan has always preferred the big gig - he's never made any bones about that.

I'm a fan of WOS, but their schedule change-up kind of makes it a horse apiece for me now.  I liked the idea of having Saturday and Sunday as travel days, start running on Tuesday, bug out on Friday, and be back home for work on Monday.  I understand the economy of the event dictates weekend racing to help cover costs, but if it's going to be the same amount of time away from work, I might as well do the Big Gig, too.

I need to retire . . .

FedEx and customs are on course to deliver my new motor.  Might see it Tuesday - or it might turn into the coolest birthday gift I ever received on Wednesday.  Details show it's been released by customs, I'm guessing that means it's past EPA - I'll know more tomorrow.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #3824 on: April 08, 2014, 09:18:51 AM »
So Chris, after contemplating the profile of the midget, a radical musing:

What do you suppose would be the effect of running with the trunk lid propped part way open?  May not do anything for the aero, but if it helps, wouldn’t take much to get the 3 mph.  Don’t have a current rulebook, but it would probably be in a gray area.

I looked but couldn’t find a suitable (cheap) model with hardtop and operable trunk lid for testing.

You could always pull a Smokey Yunick and build a 7/8 size Midget.  Reducing the driver to 7/8 size might be more of a challenge, unless maybe you removed a certain liquid part of the diet.
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