Milwaukee Midget

[RichFox]

I had a Lotus 907 (Jensen Healy) in my roadster for a while. It had long studs that held the head on. The crank had a one piece aluminum girdle. After a while the studs became loose in the aluminum block. Kind of scary when torquing the head. But it was a good motor. I liked it.

[gearheadeh]

Hello All

KETTLE SPEC FOR FORDBOY 

The 16V 1100 engine appears to be a rare beast , its listed as being fitted to the Rover 25 from 2000 to 2005 , but nobody can remember seeing one.
Power listed is 70BHP.

Tech info as follows ( taken from Haynes ROVER METRO , 111 , 114 ) There will be loads of these on uk ebay

Just another thing , MG/ROVER have been owned by Honda , British Aerospace and BMW over the years.

Could you not fit a VTEC , M3 or a JET ENGINE 

Me thinks that this lad has a wee bit of a sence of humor!

[fordboy628]

midget,

Thanks for the visit and the Suds and the Sq tube.   Will cc every cylinder to measure the average compression ratio with the new RimFlow exhaust valves.   But I think that the .3cc reduction that we saw on cylinder #3 will most likely be consistent.    We will just have to scratch up every fraction at this point.

HiHo Grenade!!  Away!!
 
Fordboy

P.S. Just a reminder . . .  you too could be an Illini . . . . . . . . albeit with Iowa roots!!   

[Milwaukee Midget]

midget,

Thanks for the visit and the Suds and the Sq tube.   Will cc every cylinder to measure the average compression ratio with the new RimFlow exhaust valves.   But I think that the .3cc reduction that we saw on cylinder #3 will most likely be consistent.    We will just have to scratch up every fraction at this point.

HiHo Grenade!!  Away!!
 
Fordboy

P.S. Just a reminder . . .  you too could be an Illini . . . . . . . . albeit with Iowa roots!!   

I like the neighborhood, I like the neighbor next door, but above all of that, I really like the idea of living in a state where they have the good common sense to routinely ship their governors to prison.

[251ENG]

Hello All

Did they ever sell the mk1 Landrover Freelander 1800 , Lotus Elise , MGF or Rover75 in the USA or Canada ?

Just thinking if it possible to use an 1800 and fit the smaller liners ?

A 1000cc K series is a good idea in concept , but you are going to need to make the following .

Short stroke steel crank
Special steel rods
Special pistons
Camshafts , maybe ( have you looked at what kent and piper offer in the uk ?

There are lots of tuning bits available for the 1800 engine in the uk

You will also need a new set of liners and all the other part to build the engine , nothing of which will be available in the USA I guess.

[Milwaukee Midget]

A 1000cc K series is a good idea in concept , but you are going to need to make the following .

Short stroke steel crank
Special steel rods
Special pistons
Camshafts , maybe ( have you looked at what kent and piper offer in the uk ?

And your point is . . . ? 

None of that stopped me from doing a short stroke A. 

Short stroke inline crank?  Other than the one you put up on E-bay about a year after I had one made, I really wasn't counting on doing anything else but a billet piece.

Cooper "S" 970 rods with 5 7/8" centers?  - I know people who have these rods, and trust me, they're not for sale - it was cheaper to have my own made.

Pistons?  It's a race engine - production pieces can stay on the shelf. 

Camshafts?  I bought three for this engine, and it only requires one.  I will look at the Kent grinds before I determine my R/S ratio this time.

No, Simon, I'm keenly aware of the nature of the worm can we're talking about.

The big upside is that there are likely Honda connecting rods available that would be of the right length.  From there, I'd have the crank turned accordingly on the big end, find an appropriate motorcycle slug as a starting point, and have the piston height drilled accordingly.  In some ways, because it is a more modern design, it might actually make component selection easier.

Although I'm certain not any cheaper . . .

[fordboy628]

Kettle Engine Porn!!!

I did find this interesting site:

http://kengine.dvapower.com/

Toward the end, a dyno graph shows about 245 bhp from a 1.7L, presumably full race spec.    Uhhmm, that scales down to 144 bhp @ 1.0L . . . . . . . . .  
BTW, those numbers are rear wheel bhp . . . .

NewlyconvertedtothechurchoftheRoverboy

One more foray into dreamland before going back to the reality of the 5 port BMC head . . . . . . . .

Concentrating only on potential output and ignoring cost for the moment . . . . . .

After building dozens of Cosworth BD derivatives over the span of my career, I would estimate that a 999cc K16 Rover with EFI would have an output in the 140/145 bhp range, (Fw bhp) running with an 8,000 to 10,000 rpm rev range.

Building that engine to a "softer, more reliable spec", I would estimate that a "first try" should net 125/130 bhp (Fw) running a rev range of 7,000/9,000 rpm.

The point of this idle chatter and lack of "brevity" is that: even at 125 bhp the K would outperform the best 1000cc 5 port BMC.   The best number reported has been 108 bhp, done by "someone" and reported back to David Vizard, etc, etc.    I've seen 106 bhp from a 1098 short stroke, so depending on the dyno, 108 from a 1000 might be just possible.   But let's use 105 bhp because that seems to be sensible and just at the limit of what might be achieved.

At 95.1 Fw bhp (550 ft. altitude) MM achieved 118.7 mph.    So then, using numbers from I/O, Sumner, Woody and Bonneville Pro, and factoring for increased bhp we get:

At 105 Fw bhp: predicted potential top speed ~ 122.4 mph.   Which would be a new record, presuming it could be backed up, etc, etc.
At 125 Fw bhp: predicted potential top speed ~ 130.2 mph.   Pretty speedy for an 80 inch wheelbase . . . . .

The whole point of this is that: NO 1000cc BMC 2 valve, 5 port, is ever going to produce 125 bhp, AND, have the reserve potential to produce another 15/20 bhp the way a K16 would be able to do.

So what's going to happen?    Probably nothing for now.    Not my call or wallet.

But, just like every good pilot wants a backup plan that includes a parachute, this is MM's backup plan.   Seems like a good one to me.

And now, back to the technology of the 1930's . . . . . . .     (Where did I put that flux capacitor?)
 
Fordboy

Thanks to Interested Observer, Sumner and Woody for the help with the math, and more importantly, the experience to know what is reasonable.

[Milwaukee Midget]

It's not a foray into dreamland.  I'm going to figure out some way of making this happen.

Let's figure 2016 for the 1KK.

See - I named it - therefore, it must happen.

An alliterative name, at that!

But for 2014, the Grenade is the focus.

[fordboy628]

midget,

Any word on the x-files?    No micro-film please, transfer by 3.5" diskette, as mandated by Comrade Putin.

Da Svidaniya
Boris

Boris, I'm only one spy.
 
These things must be handled discretely and with a deft hand. 

Do you really want me to say where I'm Putin that diskette?

My autonomy has been disrupted by emergency servitude to the republic of Oak Creek, throwing yesterday into a small scale Crimean Crackdown.  But after I deliver low level wireless telecommunications devices ordered by the Milwaukee Collective Education Authority to the opera house on the West Bank, I will back-channel the encrypted information file and the hallowed relic, the Block of Abingdon, to our operatives in the Western consulate in Butler.

Comrade Conrad
Moscow Midget   

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[Milwaukee Midget]

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The hallowed Block of Abingdon, aka The Oracle of MOWOG, has been returned to its grotto.  St. Edmund be praised!

But alas, the documentation - in fact, ALL documentation, including documentation collected by Mel the Confessor prior to our conclave - has been sequestered away in the electronic catacombs of Butler, until that time the interpreter, "Linux of MicroLatin" can be summoned.

The consensus is that all is not lost . . .

 

[Finallygotit]

You two have your own language, don't you?   

[4-barrel Mike]

Akin to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_in_tongues I think.   

Mike

[Milwaukee Midget]

Think of it as "The Tower of Babble" . . . 

I'm grateful for the help we seem to be getting out of Great Britain.

If we can make it happen, I may well have a K engine under the hood for 2016.

[fordboy628]

Think of it as "The Tower of Babble" . . . 

Currently enjoying the last of the Sprecher Pub Brown Ale you delivered.    Thank you very much!!

And as I've only had one (in dog beers,  ) I don't think I'm babbling . . . . . . .   
 
Fordboy

[grumm441]

I thought it was a Pentacostal thing
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