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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #600 on: September 23, 2011, 10:18:17 PM »
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« Reply #601 on: September 23, 2011, 10:20:16 PM »
Step up that is  :-D

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« Reply #602 on: September 23, 2011, 10:24:29 PM »
Just a question.... with a enough donations might we possibly get live streaming video???????
I know.. give them an inch they will take a mile :-D
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #603 on: September 23, 2011, 10:41:13 PM »
Tip 'o the hat to SSS, Moxnix and Ray for the coverage.
(I can tear down the bike next week.)

Looking for the Ray's Pretzel Shop online...

Good show!

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« Reply #604 on: September 23, 2011, 10:51:46 PM »
Well, now that you mention it -- video isn't out of the question - technically speaking.  We've talked about it and can provide it without too much in the way of new technology.  But --

What would you want to see?  To have a camera on a tripod or pole, just sitting there and showing the start line at SpeedWeek (or WoS or WF of EM or Maxton -- that'd be relatively easy to do.  Not too costly, either.

But to have a camera moving around getting shots of vehicles in the pits requires having a person running the camera, moving around from car to bike to 'liner and on and on.  And then it gets more difficult, 'cause you'd probably expect to see some details on which race vehicle you're seeing (or don't you care whose SBC or Hayabusa or pit you're seeing?  Numbers aren't always easy to see) -- so maybe it'd take a bit of text scrolling on the bottom of the screen or something to show that you're presently seeing #827 or whatever.  That text has to be entered - either by the camera operator, in real time, or in some kind of editing process before the video can be used.  

I hope I'm wrong when I predict all of this hassle.  I fear that too many of us are used to seeing fully produced stuff on the screen - produced by a couple of cameras and a sound person and editors and so on.  There's no way that I can provide that without a handful of people.  Or maybe I'm wrong -- is there a way to get a crew out to race events and get them to make the video that you want?

I'll ask you all to give me some input -- what would you settle for if we can do video?  I'm going to keep the discussion going - will hit the sack soon (it's been a long two weeks out here on the salt and we leave Wendover tomorrow to start the trip home and then back for WF) - but before bedtime I'll start a new thread about video and audio on landracing.com.  Go there and get the discussion going.  Tell me what's acceptable to you - what you want, what you'll settle for, and what you think it'll be worth.  I don't think all of it can be done for what can be raised by this low-bucks site -- prove me wrong and we'll do it!

In the meantime -- we're already talking about a little Go-Pro on a tall stick at the start line for next year.  I'd like to do it for WF in less than a week and a half -- but don't expect it.  Next year?  We'll give it a good try.
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #605 on: September 24, 2011, 12:06:33 AM »
Hey wonderful one, your a good man and friend, thanks for the help.
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #606 on: September 24, 2011, 12:18:59 AM »
I just got home 45 minutes ago. I stayed for the end of the movie.  :cheers: I am used up and going to bed. Let's just say it was an adult portion. Wayno

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« Reply #607 on: September 24, 2011, 12:34:14 AM »
I think this shootout was great.Mike Cook has worked hard to help people with lots invested to be able to get more runs in one day than a whole week at some meets.And remember Mike goes out and lays out course helps his guys prepare is on the end of drill motor setting up markers besides all the work and time it takes to organise all this.He gets FIA and FIM along with USAC to to verify every run made.HE Arages for saftey and I think he needs to be concrdulated for all this.Way to Cook And whole crew :cheers:

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« Reply #608 on: September 24, 2011, 12:47:42 AM »
I think this shootout was great.Mike Cook has worked hard to help people with lots invested to be able to get more runs in one day than a whole week at some meets.And remember Mike goes out and lays out course helps his guys prepare is on the end of drill motor setting up markers besides all the work and time it takes to organise all this.He gets FIA and FIM along with USAC to to verify every run made.HE Arages for saftey and I think he needs to be concrdulated for all this.Way to Cook And whole crew :cheers:

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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #609 on: September 24, 2011, 02:16:52 AM »
Well, I have way too many opinions and not enough experience with this, yet.  Broadcasting the audio at Speedweek, World of Speed and World Finals has the benefit of the live radio broadcasts in conjunction with the organizers' programs, with a feed available from a regular radio.  Having watched video crews from Richard Lecky, ESPN and one other the name of which I can't remember right now, they have multiple camera people and directors, producers, etc.  At the end of the day they hole up in their motorhomes and thrash through the day's take for an hour or two before leaving the salt.  So, involking the KISS Principle . . . . first I'll say that I like the audio and the thread running on the forum, complete with photos uploaded when available.  That's a package that serves those who can run the audio on their computer and those limited to just checking in on the thread.

On the other hand, a single camera video feed overlooking the starting line can pinch the organizer's radio trailer audio, like at WoS, without too much trouble.  The weak link always seems to be the computer used to run the webcast.  Some laptops just don't like running 12-13 hours a day, or maybe I just bring Slim my second rate rebuilt units and they are slightly less reliable than more spendy fresh computers.  

We spoke of the split screen options, but watching the pros cover both ends of the course, the measured mile, the pits, the tower, etc., it takes people.  I kind of like being in one place or on the move in the vehicle while audio runs, but, then again, that means one cannot wander through the pits and chat with friends all day or all week.  Every camera for a split screen would need a volunteer connected to it with a short leash all day.  

When I get back to St. Loo, I'll look at camera options and audio feeds.  Lecky's crew had a rented lense that costs $120K to buy, and while it had dandy telescopic utility for the long shots, it's a lot of responsibility, let alone $$ to rent.  

A single camera from the start line would be easiest at Speedweek, WoS & WF.  At Shootout, vehicles start from a variety of places, in the pits, at the 0, at the 1/2, or the 1 1/2, or the mountain end, depending on driver or rider's decision, a decision that is made and/or changed rather quickly.  The pro crews have people located all over just to grab short shots and be in on all the action all the time.  

The netbook that gave us so much grief dropping the audio last year got an upgrade this season, and ran 13 hours straight one day this year, but wasn't without glitches over the course of two weeks.  I'd brought a laptop with bigger drive and memory, but it was the least reliable of the two.  Doing audio on the laptop gives us an audio mixer to use on the server's site.  The netbook doesn't have enough beans to have that available.  Oh, oh, I'm droning on with boring crap.  

G'night.

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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #610 on: September 24, 2011, 10:40:01 AM »
Yes, the video takes at least a couple people and like Moxnix said, scramble,edit,post at the end of the day. An easy way for the community to help is a common Youtube page where any of us at an event can post up video. This has been done in a similar manner for the HAMB Drags.

Personally, I like the behind the scenes interviews and coverage. Real easy to put a camer to a face when doing an interview for the radio broadcast to fill in the down time between runs.

Lots of ways to attack this, just throwing out some ideas, brainstorming is good.

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« Reply #611 on: September 24, 2011, 10:50:22 AM »
Tman and the rest of youse guys -- do us the favor of brainstorming this video and audio coverage ovewr on the new topic, okay?  I don't object to it being here - other than I want the max. numnber of minds to see the discussion and join it, and keeping it in one location will help concentrate that effort - and our heads.  I know, I know -- it was Max that got this stuff goikng this morning here -- but he's shell-shocked from last week.

Thanks.  We'll see you over there.
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #612 on: September 24, 2011, 12:49:19 PM »
Hi everyone. evening Monday in Salt Lake ER. Doing pretty good but sore as hell. CT scan of spine showed no fractures though things did get moved around a bit. Major muscle strain and spasms. Got home and my shoulder was sore so went and had it looked at. Shoulder is broken in several places including clavicle and shoulder itself is broken and pulled away in places.   This stuff happens and we all accept it. Hope it doesn't hinder my golf game. lol!






Rocky, your ARE the REAL man!
I experienced a separated shoulder about three years back, and the pain level topped anything I could remember in my then 73 years.
That includes every young man's encounter with the cross bar on a bicycle;  hemorrhoids;  broken leg; rotator cuff rebuilds;  (3);  and all the rest that goes along.
Good luck,

GET WELL! soon.   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #613 on: September 24, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »
Recap of the week. There were several runs that were not mentioned in the dialog that were in the timing slips. Much better with the timing slips. Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday are from the timing slips, Thursday and Friday from the dialog. I'm sure there are errors, it's a lot of information to reformat.

MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
28:31Andy & Erin173.960173.447173.355172.454
5198:38Richard Assen246.108242.637242.605239.096
51910:13Richard Assen254.752253.216253.570253.556AMA record
210:20Andy & Erin178.229178.663178.670179.138
112210:36Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett376.632386.466395.179386.169
71510:56George PoteetSpeed Demon77.310Chute out at two mile, smoke reported. No problems found.
51911:36Richard Assen243.873243.284243.821245.549FIM record?
211:42Erin & Andy155.409154.800154.280151.507
51913:03Richard Assen257.403229.414234.157229.017lost traction in mile
213:08Erin & Andy172.487172.093172.135171.921
71513:22George PoteetSpeed DemonPulled chute at 10 mile. Run aborted. Air bottle not turned on.
71514:11George PoteetSpeed Demon439.775442.830442.854446.057
214:30Erin & Andy176.636177.081177.020177.208
51914:35Richard Assen246.565245.685246.013246.540
7152:04George PoteetSpeed DemonCoasting at the two mile. Electrical problems.
Rocky RobinsonAck AttackSpun tires at 100 mph. Went sideways and rolled. Rocky has broken shoulder.
TuesdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
28:33Erin & Andy184.740184.966185.396185.004
5198:38Richard Assen259.320254.184251.481254.621
9688:51Jamie Williams207.684209.110209.538208.919
19769:02Leslie Porterfield170.774174.948184.234175.812bike doesn't sound good per the tower
29:45Andy & Erin182.723182.762182.761182.794
5199:51Richard Assen246.037249.278249.113251.712
99810:43Mike NishRoyal Purple129.285103.76799.79273.708Shut off at about 8 mile               
112212:10Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett368.754370.292370.366372.236
112212:53Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett349.456362.896362.432374.780366.590 kilo  366.374 mile.   These exceed the 1% required for a new record, so pending certification that'll be a new record.
213:16Andy & Erin182.889182.370182.358181.794
96813:47Jamie Williams219.623219.012218.909217.867
1976Leslie Porterfieldno start
214:09Andy & Erin178.766180.780180.503181.355
197914:19Al Lamb203.867210.463209.813213.884
71514:36George PoteetSpeed Demon452.944458.189457.964462.345
715George PoteetSpeed DemonTurn Out at one mile. Drive shaft, cracked case on transmission                   
96815:35Jamie Williams211.013215.032214.951218.762pending FIM certification, is 216.912 on a 216.588 record.  Kilo record speed is 217.004 (pending).
WednesdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
1976Leslie PorterfieldTurn out
9689:45Jamie Williams222.540223.632223.567224.392
19799:48Al Lamb240.727240.514239.548240.371
5199:53Richard Assen264.732263.552263.583262.544
51910:32Richard Assen257.708259.258259.153258.943New pending FIM record for Richard Assen and his team: Kilo   261.387   Mile 261.243
96810:36Jamie Williams151.408Shut down at timed mile. Puff of smoke reported
968Jamie Williamsshort test run 1.5 to 4               
1976Leslie Porterfieldshort test run 1.5 to 4               
715George PoteetSpeed DemonTurn Out dropped oil at 10 mile. smoke coming from the car. threw a rod and ventilated the block
1979Al LambNo Start                               
1976Leslie Porterfieldshort test run from 1.5 to 4 stoped at 3
ThursdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
19797:22Al Lamb241.000243.000242.900
9687:26Jamie Williamsbike is down, bike is on fire, rider is okay.
5197:54Richard Assen242.000241.900241.000
19798:20Al Lambbike is stopped at the 3 1/2
19798:49Al Lamb241.000240.549240.919record averages:  kilo  241.819,  mile 241.918.  Pending certification
71510:04George PoteetSpeed Demon436.000441.200441.000445.500stopped about the 1 1/2 mile. broke the Weismann rear end. 299 cid
71510:42George PoteetSpeed Demon
FridayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
19797:17Al Lamb246.900248.300247.900
19798:13Al Lamb243.100242.500242.800record averages (pending certification), Kilo average 245.447,  mile average 245.361
5198:18Richard Assen200.500207.000204.000197.000Big tail wag at the three and a half
7159:08George PoteetTurn out - 4 cyl,shift actuator plate failure

Speed Demon Recap
I may have missed something, but these are the 400+ runs for Speed Demon.

Speedweek 2011
Vehicle Engine Body Entry Name Quarter Mile1 Mile2 Mile3 Exit Speed Comment
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 313.949333.033376.028408.460421.009HOT STUFF RUN !!!!!!!!
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 322.222343.459388.314416.539426.91
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 311.347334.614381.801408.732411.836
Speedweek 2011 Record
Vehicle Entry Name Engine  Body  Old Record Speed Driver Name
715Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" C      BFS     366.043390.709George Poteet
Shootout 2010
MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
7158:59Speed Demon403.488413.537413.256422.546
7153:35Speed Demon419.611417.73415.649405.196
Speedweek 2010
Vehicle Engine Body Entry Name Quarter Mile1 Mile2 Mile3 Exit Speed Comment
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS275.904326.338345.070384.063407.426416.097
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS266.744317.570337.242377.463405.931417.596
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS266.296320.942340.870382.869409.847418.486
Speedweek 2010 Record
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD       BFS     Poteet & Main Speed Demon George Poteet 404.562
Shoutout 2009
434.252436.067435.685435.868
Speedweek 2009
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS299.744319.739366.627394.346401.285

In the past we would have waited 3 months for Hot Rod to post three pictures and two paragraphs.
The step up to real time dialog was a quantum leap forward.
The addition of the audio feed almost sucks us through the screen to feel like we are standing on the salt listening to the action.

But we are standing on the salt with our eyes closed. Sure, a video feed with interviews would be awesome. But we would take ANYTHING.
A fixed camera at the five mile would be great. A heads up on dialog and audio that someone has left the starting line would allow us to check the video.
If there is down time you could hijack the feed to a second camera in the pits.

Post Shootout editing would give you a stunning record that you could sell and make a few bucks.
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Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
« Reply #614 on: September 24, 2011, 01:54:34 PM »
You guys are doing a great job, Id take anything I could get & be happy with it. Im including Rays pictures in there too.   :cheers: