Milwaukee Midget

[Koncretekid]

Chris,
You've got to do something! Move around on the seat, keep your head down, tuck in your toes, make yourself smaller.............  Something tells me you've already tried all of the above to no avail!  Time to get serious.  Take a close look at your plugs, then change the timing.  Run it again and have another look.  Lean her out.  Another 5 lbs of air pressure in the tires.  Put on your wife's underwear.  There's no tomorrow.  Remember, you've got a whole year to fix anything you break.
Tom

[protype]

Chris,
Is the front end lifting at speed?  If so if you can keep it down it may make a difference.  Shocks set to jack down?  Smaller dia front tires? That top is big. maybe as someone suggested try a run without the top.

[jacksoni]

Looks good!  Sounds good! That's a very fast midget. 

More weight in rear of the car to prevent the wheel slip.

Try it without the top - perhaps faster perhaps not.

Windows up - maybe windows down. Don't know until you try.

We are all straining to get the needed few mph.

Geo

Unfortunately:
"convertibles" must run with the top up.
Windows must be up.
Weight may help when there is power in excess of traction. No offense intended but I doubt that to be the case here. In addition, though the penalty is small, increased weight does have some drag so until power exceeds traction, lighter is better. In addition, many out of control race cars this meet have been seen. I would bet that most if not all have had CG behind the CP producing an aero unstable situation.

I agree the car looks a bit high. Can you lower it? Especially the nose.
Is your peak HP RPM matching your speeds where you want it? Could you go to slightly shorter or taller rear tire to help place peak a better location?

Nice going though, good luck.

[fordboy628]

Looks good!  Sounds good! That's a very fast midget. 

More weight in rear of the car to prevent the wheel slip.

Try it without the top - perhaps faster perhaps not.

Windows up - maybe windows down. Don't know until you try.

We are all straining to get the needed few mph.

Geo

Unfortunately:
"convertibles" must run with the top up.  Yup
Windows must be up.   Yup
Weight may help when there is power in excess of traction. No offense intended but I doubt that to be the case here.   Undoubtedly true . . .

In addition, though the penalty is small, increased weight does have some drag so until power exceeds traction, lighter is better.  Undoubtedly true as well.   Power potential of this engine configuration makes this improbable . . . . .

In addition, many out of control race cars this meet have been seen. I would bet that most if not all have had CG behind the CP producing an aero unstable situation.   Also undoubtedly true.   Indy & Nascar teams avoid that situation like the plague.

I agree the car looks a bit high. Can you lower it? Especially the nose.
Is your peak HP RPM matching your speeds where you want it? Could you go to slightly shorter or taller rear tire to help place peak a better location?

Nice going though, good luck.

On Midget's 118.7?? mph run of 08/14/2013, I think he said he was pulling 7700/7800 rpm at the last mile marker.   Engine makes 94.5/95.1 peak bhp from 7700 rpm to 8000 rpm, so he is right there, so to speak.   All good, but, the Starship needs more warp power!

Mr. Scott!   Engage the thrusters too!!

Given the scuttlebutt that the Salt is slow & soft, probably the best that can be done with 95.1 Shetland Ponies.

Need to whip up a 103/105 Shetland Pony 999cc BMC 5 port . . . . .

Mr. Midget has a plan to lower the nose further . . . . .   just not sure when . . . . .

There is some checking to be done, BUT, it's probably the fastest stock bodied, one litre, '72 MG Midget . . . . .  EVER!    Please chime in if you can confirm or deny.

I'm going back to my Sam Adams Octoberfest testing . . . .    I LOVE THIS TIME OF YEAR!!
 
Fordboy

[Geo]

Yes Jack, I agree with you about what is needed for a class legal car. I was thinking of ways to see if there is more speed and then Chris can find a path to class legal speed. Some people have great suggestions. Lets see what is possible for Chris. More ideas! 

Geo

[manta22]

"Mr. Midget has a plan to lower the nose further . . . . .   just not sure when . . . . ."

Probably a good idea. Maybe a couple of Dagmars could be added over the headlights a la Mayf's Sunbeam-- if that's legal in its class.

In any case, Chris deserves great credit for creating a "silk purse out of a sow's ear". He and his crew have my greatest respect.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

[jacksoni]

Ok Geo, see where you are coming from. The window and top deals are by rule, not just class. They won't let you run. The prior suggestion of wire screen over radiator would be illegal or put you in GMS.  However, as has been elsewhere discussed here, records are where it's at. If you want to run for time, to see what works, like the headlight cover deal (again GMS etc) you learn something and that is always valuable. Mph here, another there, pretty soon that 122 number. Keep at it. good luck.

[scrapiron aka Park Olson]

Take the bumper guards off,,,,

[4-barrel Mike]

I wonder if an Ashley Silverstone top (without sunroof) would be legal?



Mike

[wobblywalrus]

Tachometers are not all that accurate sometimes.  Sometimes it is good to look at the speed on the time slips and use formulas to figure out how fast the engine is turning. The motor might be giving all it can and it will blow apart if it goes any higher rpm.  In this case, the gearing needs to be changed before anything else is done. 

[fordboy628]

Monday
Veh    Engine    Body    Entry Name    Quarter     Mile1     Mile2    Fastest
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad       0.000    102.464       0.000    102.464
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    114.844    109.781    115.886    115.886
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    115.185    111.120    116.698    116.698
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    117.155    112.234    118.069    118.069

Tuesday
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    115.336    111.944    115.878    115.878
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    114.275    110.386    115.028    115.028
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    116.444    113.319    117.293    117.293
996    I         GT         Chris Conrad    117.161    113.586    118.267    118.267

Have we tried it without the air filter yet?
The video show that it launches very well.
"Scotty, I need more power. Cap'n, I'm given her all she's got!"

Wednesday's runs:
Veh   Engine Body    Entry Name       Quarter     Mile1        Mile2       Fastest
996       I      GT      Chris Conrad      117.077   113.241   117.816    117.816
996       I      GT      Chris Conrad      118.141   114.456   118.693    118.693

It would appear that for the current body configuration and the current engine build spec & output,   118.693 mph is the best run and about all that can be wrung out of the Midget without resorting to "extreme measures".

The current record for Unblown Grand Touring Sports - /GT

Engine      Entry Name    Driver           Date     Speed
    I           Highlander     R. Thomas    8/92     121.779

"By the numbers", then:          (Hey, by now you guys should all KNOW, I'm a numbers guy . . . . . . .)       
Best run Vs current record:                          -3.086 mph
Best run Vs current record, %:                     97.465%  (-2.535%)
Improvement over previous best speed:      539.513%  (yes, you read that correctly . . . . . )

Oh so close . . . . .         Chris, have a beer & a cigar just the same.

I spoke to Chris around 3pm local time Wednesday.   I'm pretty sure that without the resources to make meaningful changes, he is ready to put the "Milwaukee Midget" on the trailer for Speedweek.    I think he deserves a bit of R&R . . . . . .

Who would have thought that a 72 MG Midget could masquerade as the "little engine that might actually do it"?

I'm also pretty sure that this isn't the last of this project . . . . . . . . .   (now where is that 12G1316 cylinder head I've been tripping over? . . . . . . . . .)
 
Fordboy

[Tman]

I wonder if an Ashley Silverstone top (without sunroof) would be legal?



Mike

That is sexy, factory?

We hit a wall also. Salt looked good but was damp. You should have seen the roostertails.

[Freud]

A couple hours ago he was loading up.

The speed he was most concerned about was how fast he could get home.

He forced a 1 Hive Initiative Vanilla Cinnamon Mead on me.

I plan to drink it under the covers tonight.

If I die the room service people will find me in the morning,

FREUD

[fordboy628]

The current record for Unblown Grand Touring Sports - /GT
Engine      Entry Name    Driver           Date     Speed
    I           Highlander     R. Thomas    8/92     121.779

"By the numbers", then:          (Hey, by now you guys should all KNOW, I'm a numbers guy . . . . . . .)       
Best run Vs current record:                          -3.086 mph
Best run Vs current record, %:                     97.465%  (-2.535%)
Improvement over previous best speed:      539.513%  (yes, you read that correctly . . . . . )

 
Fordboy

Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2697 on: June 10, 2013, 08:49:01 AM »

Chris, I can help you with that thin wallet thing... I mean by making it really thin.... 
The air usually sucks in August...  So plan your assault on the record for a year of racing... also be there in September for possibly better air and again in October for the best air.  Porkpie can tell you there can be a really important 3.135 MPH hiding in the air.

Stainless,
Given the results as of 8/14/2013, the statement in red, above, seems unusually prescient.   Was your mom a fortune teller or tarot card reader?   Or was it just the Dragon's Milk talkin'?
 
Fordboy

[fordboy628]

A couple hours ago he was loading up.

The speed he was most concerned about was how fast he could get home.

He forced a 1 Hive Initiative Vanilla Cinnamon Mead on me.

I plan to drink it under the covers tonight.

If I die the room service people will find me in the morning,

FREUD

Hey Freud,

The Hive Initiative variants are all good.    Probably take way more than 1 to kill you at this point . . . . . .    Saaayy, you're not allergic to bees, are you?
 
Fordboy