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Offline Stainless1

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2970 on: August 18, 2013, 10:10:59 AM »
Quote from: fordboy628 on August 15, 2013, 07:18:22 PM
Quote from: fordboy628 on August 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
The current record for Unblown Grand Touring Sports - /GT
Engine      Entry Name    Driver           Date     Speed
    I           Highlander     R. Thomas    8/92     121.779

"By the numbers", then:          (Hey, by now you guys should all KNOW, I'm a numbers guy . . . . . . .)       
Best run Vs current record:                          -3.086 mph
Best run Vs current record, %:                     97.465%  (-2.535%)
Improvement over previous best speed:      539.513%  (yes, you read that correctly . . . . . )

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2697 on: June 10, 2013, 08:49:01 AM »

Chris, I can help you with that thin wallet thing... I mean by making it really thin.... 
The air usually sucks in August...  So plan your assault on the record for a year of racing... also be there in September for possibly better air and again in October for the best air.  Porkpie can tell you there can be a really important 3.135 MPH hiding in the air.

Stainless,
Given the results as of 8/14/2013, the statement in red, above, seems unusually prescient.   Was your mom a fortune teller or tarot card reader?   Or was it just the Dragon's Milk talkin'?
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Fordboy

Mark and Chris, been away from the computer since we ruined it on the 13th.  We found 3 mph in improved Oct air.  It is odd that you need the same... hope you find it there, nose down, got to be 3 more in there somewhere. 
See you back on the salt  8-)
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2971 on: August 18, 2013, 10:17:57 AM »
Chris, Glad you and Mrs. Midget made the trip safely. Oh so close but I see it as a successful trip to the salt. Study the rule book and tweek everything on the car you can. Rule are ment to be bent, not broken..... :-D

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2972 on: August 18, 2013, 10:23:58 AM »
Quote from: Stainless1 on August 18, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: fordboy628 on August 15, 2013, 07:18:22 PM
Quote from: fordboy628 on August 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
The current record for Unblown Grand Touring Sports - /GT
Engine      Entry Name    Driver           Date     Speed
    I           Highlander     R. Thomas    8/92     121.779

"By the numbers", then:          (Hey, by now you guys should all KNOW, I'm a numbers guy . . . . . . .)       
Best run Vs current record:                          -3.086 mph
Best run Vs current record, %:                     97.465%  (-2.535%)
Improvement over previous best speed:      539.513%  (yes, you read that correctly . . . . . )

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2697 on: June 10, 2013, 08:49:01 AM »

Chris, I can help you with that thin wallet thing... I mean by making it really thin.... 
The air usually sucks in August...  So plan your assault on the record for a year of racing... also be there in September for possibly better air and again in October for the best air.  Porkpie can tell you there can be a really important 3.135 MPH hiding in the air.

Stainless,
Given the results as of 8/14/2013, the statement in red, above, seems unusually prescient.   Was your mom a fortune teller or tarot card reader?   Or was it just the Dragon's Milk talkin'?
 :cheers:
Fordboy

Mark and Chris, been away from the computer since we ruined it on the 13th.  We found 3 mph in improved Oct air.  It is odd that you need the same... hope you find it there, nose down, got to be 3 more in there somewhere. 
See you back on the salt  8-)

Cold October air might help the power but hurt the aero drag. In 2009 when I was chasing half a MPH trying to average over 170  and with active intercooling to a NA engine (so intake air more or less consistent hot to cold day) we consistently ran faster qualifying late in the day when hot than on record runs early in the AM when cooler. Could of course have been other factors. My car is electronic injected so some compensation but on a carbed car it might  make more difference. If you can do it, data logging AFR's would help answer that question. And then the legal aero tricks that have been mentioned. Good luck.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2973 on: August 18, 2013, 10:45:50 AM »
Chris, As other have said, glad you and Mrs. Midget are back home safely. Do what others have suggested about aero and remember what Stainless said about air being better in September and October. Do you have vacation time left for either WoS or WF?  :-D  just sayin'.

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2974 on: August 18, 2013, 11:07:39 AM »
Vacation time?  :| I quit more than one job to go to Bonneville.  :wink:  :cheers: Wayno
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2975 on: August 18, 2013, 11:10:26 AM »
Quote from: Elmo Rodge on August 18, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
Vacation time?  :| I quit more than one job to go to Bonneville.  :wink:  :cheers: Wayno

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You going to be at WoS?

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2976 on: August 18, 2013, 12:01:34 PM »
Chris...Great to meet you, Kate and Nick. Really, you have to be happy with the way everything went. I still can`t remember the name of the English Ale I found, but, since you requested more information, I suppose I will have to search anew.... :-D
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2977 on: August 18, 2013, 12:10:30 PM »
Quote from: Kiwi Paul on August 18, 2013, 12:01:34 PM
Chris...Great to meet you, Kate and Nick. Really, you have to be happy with the way everything went. I still can`t remember the name of the English Ale I found, but, since you requested more information, I suppose I will have to search anew.... :-D

Likewise, Paul.  It was a pleasure sharing our OSH with you.

And I suppose I could just start randomly trying stuff, and contacting you and asking, "Was it this one?  No?  Okay, I'll try another . . . "  :-D

Very happy, indeed, but now the work starts anew.

I'm running off to brunch with Kate, and I'll post up more later, but according to the time slips, the hotter it was, and the lower the air density, the faster it ran.

There's more going on, but my 118's were both at very high adjusted altitudes, which does lead me to think that the aero was the big bugaboo.

The early runs in cooler, denser air were ~115.

Spreadsheet time again, boys and girls . . .
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2978 on: August 18, 2013, 03:49:38 PM »
Run logs - Excel spread sheet available via PM

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Date   Time   Temp   Humidity   SP   D A   Wind    Wind Speed   Mile 2   2 1/4   Mile 3   Note   Air jet   Timing
12-Aug   8:37   70.6   15   25.73   5863   ssw   1   102.464         Rookie   180   37
12-Aug   14:28   88.9   8   25.7   7008   s   4   109.781   114.844   115.886      180   37
12-Aug   17:08   89.8   7   25.66   7106   ese   9   111.12   115.185   116.698      180   37
12-Aug   18:42   90   9   25.65   7145   sse   10   112.234   117.155   118.069      180   37
13-Aug   9:25   71.9   31   25.78   5943   nnw   1   111.944   115.336   115.878      180   37
13-Aug   11:41   77.8   20   25.78   6279   ne   5   110.386   114.275   115.028   push start   180   37
13-Aug   15.29   88.4   9   25.73   6946   sse   5   113.319   116.444   117.293      175   37
13-Aug   17.57   91.5   6   25.68   7177   sse   11   113.586   117.161   118.257      175   37
14-Aug   11:07   79.2   22   25.77   6391   n   0   113.241   117.077   117.816      170   37
14-Aug   13.56   88.5   11   25.73   6965   n   3   114.456   118.141   118.693      165   37
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2979 on: August 18, 2013, 03:55:03 PM »
Sorry I missed you.  :oops:
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2980 on: August 18, 2013, 04:29:59 PM »
Quote from: Tman on August 18, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Sorry I missed you.  :oops:

Me, too, Trent.

Nick, the team manager, simply kept me to task, and it was a good thing.

We got in late on Saturday, didn't tech until Sunday after Rookie O.  We were on 3, and it finally dawned on me how vast the damned place is!  We put 400 miles on the support vehicle on the salt in 4 days.  It's a wonder I saw anybody I knew.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2981 on: August 18, 2013, 04:41:04 PM »
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Quote from: Tman on August 18, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Sorry I missed you.  :oops:

Me, too, Trent.

Nick, the team manager, simply kept me to task, and it was a good thing.

We got in late on Saturday, didn't tech until Sunday after Rookie O.  We were on 3, and it finally dawned on me how vast the damned place is!  We put 400 miles on the support vehicle on the salt in 4 days.  It's a wonder I saw anybody I knew.

I heard you were there late Sunday and make a snap decision to leave Monday in the AM. Not to miss you, just needed to get home.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2982 on: August 18, 2013, 05:14:04 PM »
Did you ever try the 4.22 rear?
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2983 on: August 18, 2013, 05:17:37 PM »
At least I was favored to meet Tman.

For that I am happy.

Mrs Midget is a jewel.

FREUD
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #2984 on: August 18, 2013, 05:34:02 PM »
Quote from: Freud on August 18, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
At least I was favored to meet Tman.

For that I am happy.

Mrs Midget is a jewel.

FREUD

Chris needs some more curing. Respect your elders you know? :-D
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