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Offline desotoman

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BNI MEMBER'S QUESTION ANSWERED!!!!
« on: October 25, 2005, 07:39:55 PM »
I was given permission by Roy Creel to post the following:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat@LubricationDynamics.com>
To: <cree@antelecom.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Voting


> Hi Roy,
> Just wondering why I have to be a member of BNI in order to run at the
salt
> but I have no vote when voting time comes around?
> I think that BNI members should be able to vote for the management of the
> organization just like the "dirt" guys/gals.
> If I am missing something here, please let me know. Probably am........
> Skip Higginbotham


From:    "Roy Creel" <cree@antelecom.net>
To:    "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat@LubricationDynamics.com>
Subject:    Re: Voting
Date:    Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:12:32 +0000  



Skip, see reply below, feel free to post.

Skip et al,
In response to your question, vote on what?

There is an org. chart on the SCTA-BNI.org home page web.
I realize the organization may be confusing to those who don't ask, and
since you asked, here goes:

The Parent Corporation is the SCTA, a non-profit volunteer organization. The
mission is to provide safe and user friendly landspeed events for our
membership. We have only one paid employee, Joann at the office.
The 5 officers of the SCTA board are elected by the members of the
association annually. Those five appoint the rest of the board members from
the general membership (that are willing to serve; sometime hard to find!)

To be an SCTA member, one must be a member of one of the affiliated clubs.
Each club is entitled to representative/s according to club size and they
represent the clubs at the reps/board meetings.  All of the rules, polices,
etc. are adopted by SCTA board vote. It is very seldom that the board votes
on a matter against the wishes of the reps. (Clubs) The rep system advises
the board as to the feelings of the clubs. The only thing the SCTA general
membership votes on is officers and bylaw changes.

The BNI is a separate corporation under SCTA board control with their own
bylaws and subordinate board.
The BNI is charged with the responsibility of planning and organizing the
Salt. events and those logistic matters thus pertaining.
As I have said at every driver meeting I have conducted at Bonneville, The
BNI organizes the event and I hand the reins over to the SCTA, who conducts
the event under their rules.

The BNI officers are appointed by the SCTA board, all must be SCTA board
members and they choose who will serve in what capacity amongst themselves.
All decisions made by the BNI board are done by consensus
The BNI makes neither rules nor policy; this is all done by the SCTA board.
Your being a member of BNI is akin to joining the discount club at a store.
By joining and helping to support the cause, it gives you the right to
participate in the event(s). It doesn't give you a right to determine how
the store is run.

Now having explained all this, I suspect there will be folks who say, "it
shouldn't be this way".  Well the SCTA has been around for over 50 years.
They started Bonneville racing for the masses and are now bigger than ever.
The task of managing both a 6 event dirt season + 2 salt events is
mind-boggling. So, somehow it must work  pretty well.
If this was a "for profit "corporation, I estimate your SW entry fee would
be well over $1000.
All of this stuff is done by volunteers, not someone mandated by pay to do
things to the satisfaction of a certain boss. I don't type well and I took
about 3/4 hour away from my projects just to answer this inquiry. When I was
president, I spent about 80 Hrs per week on SCTA business. ( by choice of
course)
As I see a lot of ez e- mail criticism of things, I see few folks stepping
up to help.
Hope this clears things up for yourself and the masses too.
Roy Creel
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So what that says is
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2005, 09:22:59 AM »
very much the problem with the people that only run Bonneville and are not in a SO CAl Club will not have equal representation regardless of their status as a worker or entrant or both.
What it doesn't say is that many SCTA clubs have a full voting membership available to those outside the area normally considered SO CAl. The requirements vary and costs too. As it stands if you wish to vote for the various SCTA offices you must be a member of a club and SCTA. Some choose to be a member of a club and not SCTA for the most part to get the mailings they often produce.
There is no need to hide under a rock because the information and access is already there. You just have to figure how bad you want it and where you are going to get it.
The communication afforded by this forum is the best first shot towards the free exchange of ideas and if you are afraid of that maybe you should be.
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Ok, I get it
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2005, 11:39:28 AM »
Ok, I get it.  In order to vote I have to:
1. Join a club
2. Join SCTA
3. Join BNI (if I want to race at the salt, get the poster, rule book, patch, etc.) ?

And (pulling pin an tossing in hand grenade)

Since I'm east coast, which is the best club to join ?

Thanks,
Jim W

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Well that is the debate isn't it ?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2005, 12:33:50 PM »
That one guy is in the Sidewinders and the Gear Grinders.
Boy that is a suicide mission if I ever heard one. LOL
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Re: Well that is the debate isn't it ?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2005, 06:00:56 PM »
Quote from: JackD
That one guy is in the Sidewinders and the Gear Grinders.
Boy that is a suicide mission if I ever heard one. LOL


SDRC... 8)

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SDRC
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2005, 06:26:19 PM »
SDRC may not be the mostest but we are the fastest.
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Re: SDRC
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2005, 11:34:07 PM »
Quote from: JackD
SDRC may not be the mostest but we are the fastest.


Wow, thanks Jack, that post from you was deciphered in less than 2.1 seconds..

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Re: SDRC
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2005, 11:57:54 PM »
Quote from: JackD
SDRC may not be the mostest but we are the fastest.


Jack, Jack, Jack...still not making any sense...

It's a commonly accepted fact that the Sidewinders are the best club in the SCTA. Oh yeah, and the fastest. And we throw the best parties. And our "hospitality" at the events is the best, hands down...and and and... I could go on forever but we are also the most modest. :o

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Re: SDRC
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2005, 11:58:17 PM »
Quote from: John Noonan
Quote from: JackD
SDRC may not be the mostest but we are the fastest.


Wow, thanks Jack, that post from you was deciphered in less than 2.1 seconds..

 :wink:

Some are faster than others and some still ride the short bus.
I am always amazed at the amount of humble pie the Sidewinders can produce from the crows that they eat.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2005, 07:30:35 PM »
Romero, the opinion of the Sidewinders being the best is only in your mind, the Gear Grinders and SDRC are great clubs as well and one thing for sure the Sidewinder beer was so bad they couldn't even give it away at the Snakes banquet. They in fact drank the Good Gear Grinder beer and didn't even come close to duplicating it, Even Dirty Dan Warner was seen spitting out the snake ale and that means it really sucked. Mike Manghelli was using it to put out the BBQ coles, the crap didn,t have enough alky in it to even flare up. Lee Kennedy was using it at home to kill snails. Dolan jump on in here and tell this newby he has aways to go to biein the same caliber as us old guys.
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RELAX
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2005, 09:03:13 PM »
Glen knows and is not saying that a condition of the bail bond and probation for the Widesinders was the content of the refreshments. The Reargrinders on the other hand are required to be heavily medicated before they can be let out. How else would you expect them to treat a tech guy like Dan but to play to his weakness.
The politics that went on there were mainly trying to get them all equally chemically adjusted to conform.
Happens all the time.
Each club is important to the future of SCTA, in spite of their history.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2005, 09:35:12 PM »
Sidewinder brew II was vastly superior to #1. The history of #1 will always be remembered by the time that Fast Freddie and fuelroadster54
tasted a bottle and said unto one another "the next one cannot possibly be as bad as this one". One case later they forgot why they were drinking.

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It al boils down to
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2005, 09:45:42 PM »
The level of Vitamin P is really the only constant.
 It Depends on how each of them handled it and some handled it with Depends.
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2005, 10:30:38 PM »
Dan
One must remember that Fogie and Fast Fredie burnt their tast buds out so many years ago they don't know good from Bad.
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Re: BNI members
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2005, 12:10:52 AM »
Quote from: Glen
the Sidewinder beer was so bad they couldn't even give it away at the Snakes banquet.


I know not of the beer you speak Glen. Every Sidewinder beer I have ever had has been good and cold. Even early in the morning :D