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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #555 on: March 26, 2013, 12:59:50 PM »
What if the block (approx. 4") was not just under the axle but had a length of about 12 - 14"+.....kinda like a "mini" leaf?
With what Chris posted, would that help with the additional leverage extending that drop would have on the spring perch, the beam and the spring mounting perch, and the additional torsion that this arrangement would apply to the springs.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #556 on: March 26, 2013, 01:13:02 PM »
I think it would add stress points to the main leaf at either end of the long lowering block in an area where the spring is designed to flex. While the stress would be relatively low as it's only on rebound I still don't like it.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #557 on: March 26, 2013, 02:19:23 PM »
Wouldn't a simple traction bar above axle keep all hop out as well as locate rear axle more firmly?
My examples would include the 2000ish ford explorer 2 door as well as mopar's leaf spring drag race program from the 60's before 4 links were allowed.
It essentially turned the front half of the leaf spring into a lower link of a 4link.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #558 on: March 26, 2013, 03:00:38 PM »
Well, realistically, I don't think it's going to take much - if this were a drive axle where you'd be on and off the power and needed to worry about loading and unloading traction, it would need to be as heavy duty as a typical 4-link.

This type of application might be useful and easy to create -

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #559 on: March 26, 2013, 03:33:35 PM »
Or...universal Lakewood 28" traction bars are $53.95 at Summit http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lak-20475/overview/ which I imagine could be easily shortened to suit.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #560 on: March 26, 2013, 03:38:42 PM »
thats exactly what i was thinking milwaukee midget. except those look just like caltrac bars (without the adjustability) based on the spring end of the brackets.

i was suggesting above the rear axle for the ground clearance issues, as well as keeping the bottom of the car "clean".
this has a fixed front point (important to have height set properly to pivot without suspension bind)
caltrac, or pivoting front point bars can unload and cause more slop and bounce when direction changes
(work on acceleration, but on decel, axle wraps the other way)
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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #562 on: March 26, 2013, 03:58:40 PM »
thats exactly what i was thinking milwaukee midget. except those look just like caltrac bars (without the adjustability) based on the spring end of the brackets.

i was suggesting above the rear axle for the ground clearance issues, as well as keeping the bottom of the car "clean".


On the MGB, that's exactly how they install.
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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #563 on: March 26, 2013, 04:38:42 PM »
In the old auto supply stores they were right beside the lowering blocks and had the brand name "Traction Master". They were normally mounted below the axle.  :-D :-D 8-)

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #564 on: March 26, 2013, 05:22:17 PM »
While I ponder the possibilities for the rear suspension drop, I thought I had better go on record as saying:

I'm planning to get very greasy tonight.  I will be investigating the possibility of mixing and matching inner and outer CV joints on the same shaft.

Since I'm using the later model "heavy duty" outer knuckle/spindles from a K-car, and the inner drive flanges of an early Omni/VW trans, there is no 100% bolt-in solution.

With any luck, I'll be able to swap one end of one shaft onto the other end of the other shaft.  The alternative is cutting, sleeving, and welding, which I would prefer not to do unless absolutely necessary.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #565 on: March 26, 2013, 08:28:58 PM »
Traction Master bars were very cool to have on your street ride in the 60's, kind of a trick gearhead thing back then.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #566 on: March 27, 2013, 03:55:43 PM »
Turbo manifold arrived today.  This was the most compact manifold I could find for this application.



I'll get it fitted up to the head, bolt on the turbo, and see how much, if any, clearance exists between the turbo and the firewall.

If I get lucky, I won't have to modify the firewall. (keeping fingers crossed)
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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #567 on: March 27, 2013, 03:58:51 PM »
that looks like it will do the job!
be sure to wrap it, or use a blanket on it. then maybe a heat shield on top of that. keep the heat in, and let it go out exhaust. it will also help reduce spool time.

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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #568 on: March 27, 2013, 05:55:45 PM »
Sid (Kiwi belly tank) told me about a great guy to wrap that intake-Levi,  Turbo Performance Products
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Re: '84 Dodge Rampage Build Thread
« Reply #569 on: March 27, 2013, 06:37:07 PM »
Stout looking piece. It seems to confirm that runner length isn't important with a turbo installation. Am I right?. No jack of your thread intended but it would be nice to know. Your build is escalating day by day. You've gained huge momentum lately. GO STEEEEVE!