Diesel Lakester Class

[McRat]

... I could buy my bobcat either with the turbo Kubota (56 hp) or the non-turbo version (don't remember what hp rating).  Yes, the way to make big hp with a diesel is to force air into it, but they do exist and run and are commercially available.

To the best of my knowledge, no NA diesel powerplants are in today's cars.  You cannot make big power by putting a turbo on a NA diesel engine.  It grenades before it goes much past 1.5HP per CI.  At least with the production blocks and cranks.  There are factory 2012 emissions-compliant diesels that are over 1HP per CI.  We tune them to over 3HP/CI

Today's common rail turbo diesel is nothing like diesels from 11 years ago.  The Duramax changed everything.

Here's the rub:  While unlikely, if diesels start to yield more HP/CI than gas engines, will the LSR racers all swap engines to diesels to be competitive with the new records?  Or will there suddenly be new classes to allow the older gas stuff to still run?

 

[Dynoroom]

You miss the point Pat. We all no time marches on. But the SCTA does not need to add these classes to be a viable series. Just look at yourself, you run a diesel, and race in the SCTA. Fastman can run a diesel too, just not in a new class.

You and Fastman can start a new racing organization..........
DTA, diesel timing association.    

[McRat]

You miss the point Pat. We all no time marches on. But the SCTA does not need to add these classes to be a viable series. Just look at yourself, you run a diesel, and race in the SCTA. Fastman can run a diesel too, just not in a new class.

You and Fastman can start a new racing organization..........
DTA, diesel timing association.    

   There are already too many diesel associations.

Obviously I'm a diesel fanatic.  I put my opinion out there so folk can see that side.

But I'm also aware that electrics/hybrid racing will be huge in the next 10 years, not just diesel competitions (over 10,000 a month compete with diesels today, 200+ entries at one event is very common, and there are hundreds of events).  The SCTA does not HAVE to address it.  And it will eventually become NASCAR.  Only old technology will be running.  NASCAR is very successful, but it has nothing to do with "who's fastest".  And isn't "who's fastest" what the SCTA is all about?  

[Dynoroom]

I'll just add two thoughts,

The SCTA is much older than Nascar
&
We are the FASTEST wheel driven sport.............   



See you at the lakebed.

[Stan Back]

I thought you were gonna be nice . . .

(to your elders).

[RichFox]

Am I wrong? I thought you could run Propane in gas classes. And diesel in gas classes. And I have heard that propane and diesel runs very well togeather. Do the diesel guys use propane?

[Tman]

Am I wrong? I thought you could run Propane in gas classes. And diesel in gas classes. And I have heard that propane and diesel runs very well togeather. Do the diesel guys use propane?

Yes they do.

[Dr Goggles]

....and here's me thinking there was no place in gas class for propanity

[38flattie]

You miss the point Pat. We all no time marches on. But the SCTA does not need to add these classes to be a viable series. Just look at yourself, you run a diesel, and race in the SCTA. Fastman can run a diesel too, just not in a new class.

You and Fastman can start a new racing organization..........
DTA, diesel timing association.    

   There are already too many diesel associations.

Obviously I'm a diesel fanatic.  I put my opinion out there so folk can see that side.

But I'm also aware that electrics/hybrid racing will be huge in the next 10 years, not just diesel competitions (over 10,000 a month compete with diesels today, 200+ entries at one event is very common, and there are hundreds of events).  The SCTA does not HAVE to address it.  And it will eventually become NASCAR.  Only old technology will be running.  NASCAR is very successful, but it has nothing to do with "who's fastest".  And isn't "who's fastest" what the SCTA is all about?  

Guess I'm confused. If it's about who's the fastest, why is there a claim that they can't compete against gas engines, and therefore should have another class?

[SteveM]

Why not run fuelers against gassers?

[McRat]

Am I wrong? I thought you could run Propane in gas classes. And diesel in gas classes. And I have heard that propane and diesel runs very well togeather. Do the diesel guys use propane?

You can use a LITTLE propane or water/methanol injection for hotrodding diesels.  There is a fine line between OK, and KAPOW.  Generally, at about 100HP gain, things go bad rapidly.  It's not a good power adder for diesels, but helps fuel economy.  Nobody who is winning is using either one.  Too risky for the small gain.

Now nitrous is whole nuther animal.  You can spray the snot out of a diesel without problems.  500rwhp or more at a touch of a button.  Diesels run "dry nitrous".  You don't add fuel externally, nor in the programming.  You might want to retard the main injection a little, like 4 deg, but that's only to surpress "bursting".  Bursting is normally harmless.  When you spray too much nitrous in, it chills the air charge down too much, so the diesel fuel will not ignite when injected, and the engine just dies, like you hit a kill switch.  
 

[McRat]

You miss the point Pat. We all no time marches on. But the SCTA does not need to add these classes to be a viable series. Just look at yourself, you run a diesel, and race in the SCTA. Fastman can run a diesel too, just not in a new class.

You and Fastman can start a new racing organization..........
DTA, diesel timing association.    

   There are already too many diesel associations.

Obviously I'm a diesel fanatic.  I put my opinion out there so folk can see that side.

But I'm also aware that electrics/hybrid racing will be huge in the next 10 years, not just diesel competitions (over 10,000 a month compete with diesels today, 200+ entries at one event is very common, and there are hundreds of events).  The SCTA does not HAVE to address it.  And it will eventually become NASCAR.  Only old technology will be running.  NASCAR is very successful, but it has nothing to do with "who's fastest".  And isn't "who's fastest" what the SCTA is all about?  

Guess I'm confused. If it's about who's the fastest, why is there a claim that they can't compete against gas engines, and therefore should have another class?

Well if fastest is nothing but MPH, diesel owns anything running SCTA today.  Most jet powered cars run diesel fuel.

[Dynoroom]

Why not run fuelers against gassers?

Been more than a few fuel records set on gasoline, matter of fact one was reset in 2010 by a real fuel motor, after it was held by a parts washer run engine since 2004. A/BFR.

[LSR Mike]

Jet Fuel is Not Diesel, Closer to Kerosene

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Back in the late 80s - when I was selling ford trucks - I had a customer that bought lots of cab/chassis units on which they'd mount their product - a de-icer coating machine/system.  They would convert the diesel engines to be able to run on jet fuel -- which burned about like the kerosene.  BUT - the jet fuel had much lower lubricity than regular diesel, so they had to modify each and every fuel pump and so on to live with the jet stuff.

So - the "kero" jet fuel burns about right - just isn't good for the engine's tiny little parts.