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Offline RichFox

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2007, 06:20:17 PM »
Actually NASCAR does have a Run What You Brung class. Street Stock or Bombers, or what ever they are called at your local dirt track. It's not all Cup cars you know. Get out and support your local track and get to know some poor people that run under NASCAR sanction.

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2007, 06:24:41 PM »
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If a NASCAR will obviously spin out before it utilizes all the power available, how does letting it run help ?

The same exact question could be applied to half the roadsters out there on the salt. Just because they spun this time, does not mean it is not a solvable problem. --- Ballast, tweaks in the shock package to suck the front down abit, and use a tad less rear spoiler, and a small positive angle of attack.

John Rains routinely runs at those speeds with out spinning and I bet that NASCAR chassis is capable of similar CD drag numbers per hp. It is an evolutionary process for all the cars, some of the long narrow streamliners have problems too and they were explicitly built for the salt.

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2007, 06:44:56 PM »
If top speed within the parameters of their vehicle were the stated goal. the Salt is not the right place to do it.......................

Seems like if that is where they want to try we should not discourage them as long as the car meets all safety rules and it seem like it did.  You going to foot the bill to lease Talladega or Daytona for them for a day  :wink:????????

....................If a NASCAR will obviously spin out before it utilizes all the power available, how does letting it run help ?........................

I think Larry has this one covered  8-) .

........................If an LSR car went to a NASCAR facility, and hit the wall, the response from the NASCAR group would not be nearly as forgiving..............

Heck they would probably applaud that as the TV ratings seem to go up in proportion to wrecks  :roll:

Love ya Jack, but have to disagree with you on this one,

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2007, 07:16:08 PM »
" Don't date out of your species."
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2007, 07:25:11 PM »
" Don't date out of your species."

Heck, I'm not even dating "in my species"  :-)  :cry:  :roll:  8-) ,

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2007, 07:52:15 PM »
It's been repeated by several different people about how unsuitable wide tires are, but they made it through tech and ran this way.

So I have to ask:
Did they make it through tech and nothing was said about this?

OR

Did they go through tech a were told twenty times about how wide tires were a bad idea and they did it anyway?

Either situation isn't really good.

Just my $0.02

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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2007, 08:19:17 PM »
Every year the wide tire issue comes up. The ones with the biggest spin problem are short wheel base sport cars. They usually spin around 220 mph. I have seen countless spins in the 24 years in the timing stand. I have only been to one USFRA meet so I won't speak for them. Trust me they are discussed at BNI meets. I wish I had kept a record of all of the spins, type of vehicle and the speeds they spun. I will says almost every sports car had fat tires.
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2007, 08:27:20 PM »
" Don't date out of your species."

Heck, I'm not even dating "in my species"  :-)  :cry:  :roll:  8-) ,

Sum

You do not have time for dating.  You have a race car to finish.  Now get off the computer and get back to the shop.

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Re: "NASCAR" team at Bonneville
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2007, 08:37:14 PM »
Talladega fronts have been used successfully on a number of very fast cars that have been purpose built.
It is "purpose built" car that will prevail when used for the purpose intended.
As an aside, a driver with a number of years experience spun at Bonneville, had the experience of a lifetime, and the accrued wisdom to not go any further with that effort, for that she is to be applauded.
 
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2007, 11:54:55 PM »
We run wide tires, if you consider 10" wide.  In fifteen years of racing and many runs over 260 we have  had only one spin.  That spin wasn't due to the width, it was due to the non matching circumference.  The tire was from a fellow LSR racer who didn't measure the tire and neither did we, never again.  Equal circumference!
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2007, 11:21:10 AM »
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2007, 11:24:31 AM »
We run the wide Goodyear in the back, #2222 and front runners in the front.  We have no problems with this combination.

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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2007, 12:21:07 PM »
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2007, 12:25:08 PM »
All Goodyear Cup type Stock Car tires are built to be mounted on 9  1/2 inch wheels period. That could be one of the reasons some guys have problems and some don't.      Doug in big ditch
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Re: "NASCAR" team at bonneville
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2007, 12:29:54 PM »
"Purpose built" means just that.
Stagger in the tires is for turning corners and that kind of  problem is common to all tires.
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