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Offline Sam Hawley

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Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« on: December 27, 2019, 09:22:48 AM »
Here's a video I made about the controversial Budweiser Rocket, built by Bill Fredrick, driven by Stan Barrett, owned by Hollywood stuntman and film director Hal Needham. Back in Dec. 1979, the Bud Rocket team claimed that Stan Barrett broke the speed of sound in the car, hitting a top speed of 739 mph. It wasn't an official land speed record attempt. The team simply claimed the car briefly hit Mach One--18 years before Andy Green indisputably accomplished the feat in ThrustSSC.

In this video I examine the claim. Did the Budweiser Rocket reach the speed of sound, even for a moment? Special thanks to Dick Kellar of the Blue Flame team, who gave me valuable documents and information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wSpIWeA0QA

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2019, 12:09:23 PM »
Granted the speed claims are questionable, but the cameraman who tracked the car so perfectly with the long zoom lens at the 4.5 mile in that final shot of the run deserves a medal.

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2019, 03:47:19 PM »
Finally a video that tells the truth about the bud rocket car. Hal and Stan lied to everyone.
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2019, 03:59:28 PM »
Well, considering that it was a Hollywood project how much credibility could they have?
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2019, 09:27:01 PM »
As we all learned later.... breaking the sound barrier on the ground produces a sonic boom... something the ex-sperts at the time claimed only happened in the air...
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2019, 09:49:46 AM »
Did Stan Barrett not wear a helmet of any kind?

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2019, 11:12:07 AM »
a note to Sam's video....

he shows the B R at Bonneville and at Edwards....

maybe it had confused the different appearance of the B R....

the fact is - at Edwards and Bonneville there were used different rocket cars and configuration.

at Bonneville the very first B R was more or less a clone of the damaged Motivator which was used by Kitty O'Neil and damaged by Hal  Needham....

and it has the same engine version as the Motivator...this version was never shown on the video....just before they showed up at Bonneville they add the sidwinder solid rocket....

The Bonneville rocket car was damaged when he went off course....

They went to Edwards with the B R 2 car....still having the same engine configuration.....for the final tries they modified B R 2A to B R 2B with a different kind of rocket engine rear end, also they covered the parachute tubes with an aerodynamic cover around the sidewinder rocket...

The Bonneville BR 1 was modified in his appearance to the final Edwards B R 2B version and end up in the Talladega Museum, the real B R 2B was for a longer time in the Smithsonian before it was kicked out when the people of the Smithsonian Museum figured out that there was no sound barrier broken.....the car is now in barn in Indianapolis
(to the last information I got)....

after this advertisment runs for Budweiser mock ups was built for the shows around the states....one of them end up in Richard Childress Nascar museum....they saying that there were two other mock ups....but I couldn't find out if they real exist and if they, where they are.....

the Motivator (originally the Aquaslide) is owned by Nina Rindt....he was twice on a car show in Germany and then disappeared....after the Budweiser campaign....his stay went lost after he was the last time seen in Belgian barn.....Nina don't like to tell where the racer is.....
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2019, 04:09:31 PM »
Sorry about the quality it's a poloroid.

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2019, 04:55:18 PM »
What happened with William Fredrick after the Budweiser Rocket adventure ? Can't find anything about him on the Internet.

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2019, 05:08:46 PM »
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the fact is - at Edwards and Bonneville there were used different rocket cars and configuration.

at Bonneville the very first B R was more or less a clone of the damaged Motivator which was used by Kitty O'Neil and damaged by Hal  Needham....

and it has the same engine version as the Motivator...this version was never shown on the video....just before they showed up at Bonneville they add the sidwinder solid rocket....

The Bonneville rocket car was damaged when he went off course....

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Thomas: did Hal Needham do all the driving at Bonneville?

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2019, 07:37:43 PM »
There was an article in 1988 about the termination of the Needham-Fredrick professional relationship.
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2019, 12:16:45 AM »
First time I ever saw that video posted above. Sweet vindication, Dick.

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2019, 08:20:34 AM »
The January 2020 issue of Motor Sport magazine features an article on the Budweiser Rocket which is similar in content to Mr. Hawley's video.   Interesting read with some cool photos, and a sidebar on Bloodhound.

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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2019, 09:54:21 AM »
after Hal Needham crashed the Motivator by his own stupidness he never drove again....all runs with the B R 1B was done at Bonneville by Stan Barrett, so as the runs with B R 2A and 2B at Edwards

Francis, your question about Fredrick....about the former butcher from Woodlands Hill (LA area)...he was always something strange and not very legal conform....

after several things not by law he end up in jail....after he was released from jail some years ago he directly desappeared from the public....nobody knows where he went and where he is now, if still alive....

thanks to Dick for the article about the Needham Fredrick final....

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the fact is - at Edwards and Bonneville there were used different rocket cars and configuration.

at Bonneville the very first B R was more or less a clone of the damaged Motivator which was used by Kitty O'Neil and damaged by Hal  Needham....

and it has the same engine version as the Motivator...this version was never shown on the video....just before they showed up at Bonneville they add the sidwinder solid rocket....

The Bonneville rocket car was damaged when he went off course....

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Thomas: did Hal Needham do all the driving at Bonneville?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2019, 10:58:35 AM by PorkPie »
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Re: Stan Barrett and the Budweiser Rocket - Speed of Sound?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2019, 02:56:06 PM »
Thanks to all for the video and the infos about the SMI and Budweiser rocket cars, all build by William Fredrick. Thanks PorkPie.
Just found this interesting photo with Fredrick (standing in the middle) outside his "Butcher Shoppe".