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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2011, 08:35:19 PM
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Nancy and I leave the house tomorrow morning to fly back to SLC, where our pickup has spent the last week, and then drive to Wendover to get our trailer (which needed rewiring 'cause it was vandalised while in the SLC area between SpeedWeek and WoS). Then -- on to the salt for the last Bonneville event of the year. We might or might not run a bike, 'specially now that I see the weather doesn't look great for the last half of the event. But we'll be there to offer coverage of the entire thing -- from inspection, which will start Monday (before we get there) and Tuesday, and racing Weds. through Saturday (weather permitting). Max says he'll be there, too, so we oughta be offering audio again -- maybe better than ever, since he's had a couple of days to experiment with the mixer and so therefore might have both the CB AND 89.3 FM for your listening pleasure.
Speaking of audio and this website's coverage of stuff earlier this Bville season: Many of you were kind enough to send a donation to the site during SW, WoS, and the Top Speed Shootout. Enough of you that I haven't dug all of your names and emails out of the pile of incoming mails, and that's why you haven't received a personal thank you from me. After this is over I WILL go through Paypal and identify you folks and offer my - and everyone that uses this site - thanks. In the meantime, know that we appreciate your kindness -- it all goes a long way to keeping things on an even and happy keep here at landracing.com's galactic headquarters.
See you on the salt! :cheers: :cheers:
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Thanks for all you do.....................I'll be watching a Production 650 Triumph from Madison, Wisconsin, with interest..........a certain scribe from Cycle World may be in the pits.
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I saw that column, too, and wondered then if this'll be my chance to meet the famous guy (Peter Egan, for those of you that don't read Cycle World - where he's a regular writer or a leader column. He writes a good stick!). The story didn't exactly say he was going to Bville, but rather that he was going to visit the guy that's building the bike -- but maybe, maybe -- he'll be looking for autographs from you and me. :roll:
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I'm not 100% positive about Peter. But the owner ,rider and support guy left the Madison area mid week. They are all newbies. Can't wait to hear of their experience. Go Lou T. !
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Wish the SCTA Website would have listed the pre-entries but I know there wasn't much time...We are packed and in the trailer with the roadster and are leaving at 4:00 AM....Hope the weather holds and we can actually run 2 classes if the Salt Gods are with us..Always a plan.......................JD
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Jimmysix.......have it good and bring back something rusty for Jack's Garage.
FREUD
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I've got his "Side Glances" compilations from Road and Track. Always a great read.
In fact, one of his columns is what pushed me to follow through on the Midget. He and a buddy were racing at an event. Some guy came up and started talking with them, and said he wanted to race too. After he left, Peter or his friend said, "He'll never do it."
I vowed not to be that guy.
If he should attend, let him know, in all sincerity, that if he wants to drive the Midget next year, to contact me. It wouldn't exist if not for his writing.
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Leaving in 30 minutes for the salt, see ya there. : :cheers:
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Good luck everybody. I hope the weather stays fine for you to go really fast!
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Here's the Weather Underground forecast for Wendover, Ut for the next 5 days:
(http://www.target550.com/images/Image1.jpg)
Again this is for Wendover, not the salt flats. There have been many times when Wendover's had rain and the storm has gone north and west of the salt.
In any case, I'm leaving early tomorrow morning (only a 2 hour drive for me) with the intention of being there all week. I hope I can post some good racing photos and none of that "other stuff."
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Ray, that's pretty much my plan except it's a 4 hour drive for me. :-D Wayno
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A, 2 and 4 hour drive, that makes me sick. :cheers: It takes me about 9 hours. Tony
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12 hour drive here . . .
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A, 2 and 4 hour drive, that makes me sick. :cheers: It takes me about 9 hours. Tony
Tony, it used to take considerably longer when I drove up from Pasadena. Moving closer to Bonneville wasn't an accident. :cheers: Wayno
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Pork Pie (who is standing next to me at the moment) tells me that it only takes him 24 hour to fly from Germany, but his wings are very tired when he gets here.
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One of his retorts "When Pigs Fly" fits here ... welcome back Thomas!
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Sitting in the parking lot at the Salt Flats Cafe, looking out the windshield at the wesyern sky, two computers running-on to be online here and the other is getting housekeeping before tomorrow. I'll have the Pancho for dinner later, with a tall, cold horchata.
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Current animated weather map as of 2:17 pm MDT for Wendover, Ut.
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Looks like pilot peak may be getting wet
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I don't think this one is going to miss. The forecast looks like this for the entire west coast too.
Even if the rain doesn't amount to much, 17 mph winds Tuesday, 17 gusting to 24 on Wednesday and Thursday. High 40's Thursday and Friday. Wind chill on Thursday looks like 35.
THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO THE GREAT BASIN
WEDNESDAY...WITH STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS DEVELOPING ACROSS MUCH OF
UTAH WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AHEAD OF THE ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT. THIS
FRONT LOOKS TO PUSH INTO WESTERN UTAH WEDNESDAY NIGHT...THEN
ADVANCE EAST THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF UTAH AND FAR SOUTHWEST
WYOMING THURSDAY MORNING. WIDESPREAD VALLEY RAIN AND MOUNTAIN SNOW
IS EXPECTED ACROSS THE REGION IN THE WAKE OF THIS FRONT THROUGH AT
LEAST THURSDAY...AND LIKELY CONTINUING INTO FRIDAY ACROSS NORTHERN
UTAH. SNOW LEVELS MAY FALL AS LOW AS 6000 FEET LATE THURSDAY INTO
FRIDAY.
IN ADDITION TO THE PRECIPITATION...MUCH COLDER TEMPERATURES ARE
FORECAST FOR THE LATTER HALF OF THE WEEK. HIGH TEMPERATURES ALONG
THE WASATCH FRONT WILL STRUGGLE TO REACH THE LOW 50S THURSDAY AND
FRIDAY...WITH DAYTIME HIGHS ONLY REACHING THE LOW 60S ACROSS UTAHS
DIXIE AND THE LAKE POWELL AREA. THIS IS A GOOD 20 TO 25 DEGREES
BELOW AVERAGE...AND 30 DEGREES BELOW WHAT HAS BEEN OBSERVED OVER
THE PAST WEEK.
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When it comes to travel time to Bonneville, it takes us 40 hours on the road. We stay overnight in Missouri and Denver ... trip takes 3 days.
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20 hours from here south of KC.
Cheyenne, then Wendover.
'Cept for the crew chief who comes up from Ft. Worth first.
Think the trip meter was past 3K before he dropped me off.
C-note per tank x 2 tanks a day..
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Got her about 3 pm,had a little rain at the motel, nice out right now. Salt opens at 8am tomorrow. looks ok for now.
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Only way to guarantee good weather is not to show up. Good luck folks.
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Just got off the phone with BigTim, electrical storm in Utah kept killing the cell connection. Say hi to him in Tech, he had car issues at the last minute and is not racing :-(
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We're at the Quality Inn - and it's not raining. It sure looks crummy out there, though, and a few of the cars at Smith's were wet with sprinkles. A few hit the windshield of the truck about mile 25 on the way in this afternoon -- but I haven't used the wipers and Nancy's not in the wet t-shirt contest - yet.
I just looked at the weather radar and the rainy stuff looks like it's on the far side of Pilot Peak and skipping us here. We'll see what we see when we get out there in the morning. It's late, Michigan time, so we're hitting the sack now. I'll be back with you in the morning. It's good to be here - no matter what the weather.
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It Rain on us from S.L. to Wendover (6:00 to 8:00 PM) with a lot of wind. 10:00 pm now no wind, no rain, nice out.
Richard
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Sitting @ Land's End, watching all the cars, watching all the cars go by . . . . . (sung to the tune of....)
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:-o Standing on the corner, watching all the girls go by! Crew
Cuts I think !
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I'm a goldem moldy, myself, remember the song, but The Crew Cuts didn't make it through my senior moment. Thanks. Slim is fetching the trailer and will be out soon. Inspection is open. Sounds like it looks better out on the salt than the sodden ground around Land's End.
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Hey! how does the weather look for todays inspection???
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I'm going out soon. It's underway. Hey Deb!
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:-D Hey Mox! Are we going to have any audio for this meet? Inquiring minds want to know!
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We're in the pits. Here's what we can see:
It's cold, folks, so don't leave the long sleeved shirts and long pants at the motel. Bring 'em - it's 57F out here. It's not raining, but windier than the dickens. Cloudy, with nasty stuff over there on the horizon -- but not raining. There are a bunch of vehicles in the inspection line already. I'd say to come on out here -- but take your time 'cause the lines aren't very long anywhere.
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Oh, heck yes. We'll get organized today, try to have something up. Jon's had the trailer re-wired, hope to be running out of it for the race. Hang in there. I'll be sound checking right here when the voodoo machine is on.
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Assuming Tech has begun . . . Anybody have any updates on course conditions? Projected weather? etc?
We leave for Salt Lake City in the morning . . . .
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The courses and pits ae the same as for SpeedWeek. Jim and Fred are out the dragging where necessary, and since the weather has been a bit moist - the salt should be pretty good and "healed".
As for the weather -- here, check for yourself:
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Wendover&state=UT&site=SLC&lat=40.8494&lon=-114.024
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I'm heading out now. See you this afternoon. :cheers: Wayno
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Sound check? I've got some blues going while we get organized.
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It's about 11Am and starting to sprinkle. We've walked around inspection, said our howdies to Tom Bryant and Mr. & Mr.s Prozac and Jill Iversen and TR and so on -- and I'll show the photos of some of the vehicles that are here -- soon's I load 'em to Photobuckert.
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Radar shows a cell going through now for about an hour, an hour or two gap then a whole bunch of moisture coming up from Mexico. Thanks to the remnants of Hurricane Hilary.
Flash flood watch from Lake Havasu through Las Vegas and north, winter storm watch and wind advisory south, east and west, but nothing in the Wendover area.
Wind on the other hand . . . by noon the wind is forecast at 21 mph. Wednesday 26 gusting to 40.
Thursday 17-22 mph.
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Well, heck. It says I'm broadcasting. So, I'll keep the blues going and spaek "stuff."
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Hey, where is everyone? Here in the crowd? Need a shout out. Surely a loyal fan is listening in somewhere.
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Have sound :cheers: :cheers:
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Robert Johnson? (Fidelity is lower than what I normally listen to) :mrgreen:
Mike
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Well I'l be go to hell, if you'll allow the yooper phrase. Now they're gone. But they're still on the PB site. Lemme see what I can do.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0515.jpg)
Here are a couple of shots of the long end of the long course -- about the 7 mile:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0516.jpg)
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Its working over here in Australia
A bit scratchy
But I'm hearing it
G
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The scene looks like ice-fishing in the UP with appropriate weather!
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I finally showed up here. I was a little slow getting going this morning...but I guess I missed most of the nasty weather. It was sunny and warm in the SLC area this morning.
The weather is about as SSS described it...sunny, bright and a bit breezy, but it's calmed down a bit since I got here a coupla hours ago...only 10-15 mph, I'd guess.
Here are a few photos:
The tech inspection line as of about 2 peeyem local lime,
The Vesco liner in a state of partial undress,
One of the Mariani roadsters and
a closer look at the tech/registration area.
More later...I'm gonna go cruise the pits.
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Vesco has some new rubber on, must be really going to put a number? Wonder if they hurt a tire last event?
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Vesco has some new rubber on, must be really going to put a number? Wonder if they hurt a tire last event?
I went to 'em and asked. They're going for the B record....so new shoes.
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Vesco has some new rubber on, must be really going to put a number? Wonder if they hurt a tire last event?
They set a record at the WOS event with no problems
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Some quick shots from the pits:
A half-nekkid roadster,
The Nash Metropolitan Competition Coupe.
The Nebulous Theorem III liner completely undressed and
you can tell by the reaction that it fired up nicely.
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Vesco has some new rubber on, must be really going to put a number? Wonder if they hurt a tire last event?
If they're getting the same milage I get with the micky's, they're only good for about 15-20 runs.
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Neither Roy Creel nor I could hear a word the other said over the sound of the NT III's motor.
This Opel GT is a relatively new car; they were having a few issues with some tech stuff they overlooked,
But it has a nice big 406 Chevy smallblock in it. I like 406s. :) (That's what I have in my own race car http://chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte28.html (http://chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte28.html) )
I'll have to get a front shot of the Mariani liner to illustrate how narrow it is. I think it could almost stand sideways in a rainstorm and not get wet. (Let's hope we don't have to test that theory.)
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Ray whats the link for the audio?
J
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Ray asked me to tell you -- it's the exact same one as worked for WoS and the Shootout. I think it's :
http://www.meridix.com/everywhere.php?liveid=landracing
It is posted on the home page of the site, too. It worked for me a few hours ago. Enjoy it!
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John, looks like your Photobucket account is maxed out!
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The first 6 photos you posted this morning seem to have disappeared.
Pete
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I guess I am not sure why John Likes to use the photobucket account anyways when the website has a photo gallery section to upload the photos and store them on his own server.
There are over 12,000 images on there without problems? Seems like a waste of a step in the process and uploading them to there is an easy process when using batch mode.
Jon
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Well, while the audio was less than great and, for the most part, the point of webcasting it all day was to see how a new computer worked when run for an extended period. So, while I apologize for the lack of content and for annoying those who haven't a penchant for blues music, it looks like the most recent addition to the gear is getting a green light for tomorrow and the rest of the week. Thanks for your patience today.
As for tomorrow, the first day of racing and weather permitting, we are going to start early, carrying the portable unit with us to the drivers meeting and, with the webcast gods willing, we'll do it live as best we can, then move the semi-official Landracing mobile webcast studio over to behind the timing slip tower and tap into the FM and/or CB broadcast for the day. I hope we get an early soundcheck, as the aircard I've been using to listen to our output on another computer had the bad fortune of expiring about 4 pm this afternoon. While I'll see if I can add a gig online, it hasn't happened yet.
Thanks, Slim and Nancy for allowing me to strike another pose at Bonneville, and do the webcast, plus witness firsthand another land speed racing event.
When I was home between races I carried my 20 year old gearhead jacket down to the blister sisters embroidery shop in Webster Grove to have it dine up with my name on the front, MoxNix on the back, with my company logo under that. The best laid plans . . . . I go to pick it up and the co. logo is not done. Seems it needs a better gif and will have to be done later. Okay, says me, but if I croak from one of the 7 deadly sins, it will be vanity and I'd like the rest of the embroidery attached before next year. Next, I gra bbed the jacket and wandered over to the dry cleaning establishment that has a big "tailoring" sign in the window, asking if it's possible to have a "save the salt" patch sewn on the right front. "Today?" says the resident attendant. Yeh. He looks at the clock and I offer to pay extra for a rush job. "Bring back Monday." Nah, I'll be on the road to B'ville. Went home, found the sewing kit, attached it skew whiff, pulled out the threads and plan to bring it back NEXT Monday.
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Pete:
Hunh? They're all there as far as I can see. The Photobucket is working and so is my laptop's display of the photos. No such thing as "maxing out" PB for me, unless I don't pay the yearly fee -- and that's been taken care of. Let me know if you still can't see them all. The first two should be of the clouds around the top of the mountains.
Speaking of why I use Photobucket -- I like to be able to let folks that don't visit this site - to see photos that I want stored. Maybe I could do it with landracing.com, but I don't do it that way. Q. E. D.
By the way, I deleted one of my posts and modified the other. Looks okay now.
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Jon:
It was as Pete reported, the first six. Now, all of your pics in replies #45 & #46 are gone.
Mike
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I'm still seeing the ones in #46 but all the ones in #45 are gone.
Pete
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All I can see in 45 and 46 is a box with the text that "This photo or video has been moved or deleted Photo Bucket"
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Yup, photobucket sucks, I only use it to save board owners bandwidth.
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Hmm, I dunno. I looked and they were gone, so I tried re-posting and they look okay now. I only put two of 'em back there. Wanna take a check for me? Thanks.
By the way -- I'm sorry if you're not happy with PB. I've not had any complaints from my use of it - nor from many, if any, of you folks on the site, so I didn't know you were dissatisfied -- if you are. Let me know, please. This, being my fist error problem, is the first hint I've had.
Test posts of PB photos follows:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0514.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0513.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0510.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0505.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0501.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/World%20Finals%202011/IMG_0503.jpg)
There oughta be six photos there.
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I see 'em -- tried to see if they'd go away and they won't -- at least for now. It's bed time -- drivers meeting at 8. We hope to have it on the streaming site for your home enjoyment. See you in the morning.
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yes those are visible
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Looks good John, they are all there now.
Jon
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They're all looking good now Jon. The way Ray posts where you click on the picture to get a larger one seems to work really well. I'm not sure how he's doing it.
Pete
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Waiting in line at Land's End for the sun to come up.
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Jon, I was referring to PB from a user standpoint, like my own account. From a board viewer standpoint, the bad issue is a couple years down the line and these threads will be void of photos. Even worse when someone is reading a technical thread and the detail pics are gone. That is just about boards in general, not directly aimed at this one.
Thanks for the coverage. :cheers:
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Audio is a go.
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That's a LOT clearer.
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And now it's a tad nasel.
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They're all looking good now Jon. The way Ray posts where you click on the picture to get a larger one seems to work really well. I'm not sure how he's doing it.
Pete
Just an FYI while I'm sitting in the Burb with the heater on, listening to the drivers meeting: There are 2 ways to include images with a post to the forum. First way is to put the image on an external server and link to it...like this shot of the sunrise:
(http://www.target550.com/images/20111005_0003r8.jpg)
The advantage of this is that yo can put the shots inline with the commentary and there's no limit (that I know of) to the number that can be added. The down side is that the whole image is displayed every time the page is viewed and for someone like me who's on a slow connection (thru my Android cell phone) it takes a REAL long time to get 'em displayed on the screen.
The other way to include an image is the way I usually do it, and that's to make it an attachment. That way the image shows up as a thumbnail that you can click on to view. The thumbnails load much quicker, especially over a slow connection. The disadvantage is that they appear at the end of the post and you have to add any commentary above 'em...and as happened with one I did yesterday, they sometimes get the order scrambled. Here's one of the drivers meeting that I shot a few minutes ago.
Hope that explains things a little bit.
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First things first: At the drivers meeting just now it was mentioned that drivers that qualify should NOT START DRINKING immediately -- because it may, thanks to poor weather, come to pass that we'll have to run return runs the same day as the qualifier. Seriously -- the weather is pretty funky-looking. Glen just announced that the wind is trending down - but it's still too windy to run. Here are a few shots of the skies.
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Now that I've said that, I'll also mentioned that if you're listening on the streaming part of the site -- the radio announcing here will be not only on CB but also on the 88.7FM. That's going to take some getting used to -- 'cause when Glen needs to shout to a crew truck we'll all hear it on the FM, too. Just enjoy hearing some of the stuff that you've not heard in a long time -- or at all.
We're on wind hold -- wind at 12 mph now so slower vehicles may run although 'liners and such won't. Here's a link to NOAA weather: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Wendover&state=UT&site=SLC&lat=40.8494&lon=-114.024
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Slim, I'm not on the generator yet. When you get time . . . .
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Never mind.
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While we're in a wind hold, I'm gonna post a few shots from yesterday.
First, a Chevette (?!?!) with an Ecotec motor sporting a couple DCOE Weber carbs,
Wally Kohler's very different take on a rear-engined motorcycle
and its high-zoot kustom upholstery made from old event t-shirts. I love it!
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Chris, are your ears aching from the audio? Seems a little scratchy, so I switched to the aging Nakamichi in the back if the rig to see if it will filter it out. Still having some distinctive background buzz, but overall, glad to have it working.
(Milwaukee Midget is in the audio trades, he's our tuning fork, Thnx Chris).
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Hey! even though I'm a car guy, I liked the idea of that rear engine bike, will it handle better at high speed because of the engine location??? Thanks for the photos :cheers:
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Limited speakers here at work but audio is lacking bass. But, the sound level is better than the last event! Thanks Mox :cheers:
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Well, whaddaya think of that? We're running -- wind and all. Glen just told us (I was doing porta-potty duty and didn't catch details) of a car (I think it was C/PS) running about 210 in the middle mile. Tower now says we'll run one bike to see what that rider says. No run yet -- raining more now.
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It's raining now -- not just misty driplets. The tower says there's nobody in line to run. The wind has died down a bit -- but the radar shows rain south of the interstate, too, heading this way. We wait. . .
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Chris, are your ears aching from the audio? Seems a little scratchy, so I switched to the aging Nakamichi in the back if the rig to see if it will filter it out. Still having some distinctive background buzz, but overall, glad to have it working.
(Milwaukee Midget is in the audio trades, he's our tuning fork, Thnx Chris).
The fork, you say? :|
:wink:
The Nakamichi? :?
I wish I had a reference from other webcasts to gain some sort of perspective as to how much degradation is due to the internet.
The show is on - we're good out here.
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Chris, I had noticable buzz from the car FM radio, brought along a stereo receiver to run off the generator. Don't have the mixing board in line. Piddling with the audio mixing software on a laptop. And wandering around with a laptop w/ headphones to monitor the webcast.
Rain, rain, go away . . . .
Some great cars and bikes here.
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No news from the rainy salt flats. One car just went down the course -- at a soggy 50 mph. No explanation if it was a "real" run or just someone goofing around. It's raining, 54F, and stiff cross winds. Stay tuned -- we're still out here.
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Radar animation.
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/pacsouthwest_loop.php (http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/pacsouthwest_loop.php)
Hourly forecast. Winds 24 gusting to 38.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.84940&lon=-114.02400&unit=0&lg=english&FcstType=graphical (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.84940&lon=-114.02400&unit=0&lg=english&FcstType=graphical)
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The bitter irony of it all is that at these temperatures, it's got to be a big help in the HP department.
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Tman, I raised the bass. Any better?
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Tman, I raised the bass. Any better?
Even out of my one tiny speaker it is better and less nasally as the Midget said. Thumbs up
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Confusion reigns (rains.) Pork Pie is sitting here and sez "we're all nuts!"
It's raining like hell and a although there's been a few radio transmissions saying "we're shut down" and then a coupla cars ran...I have no idea what's happening except that we have a press club meeting here...me, PP and Dan Kaplan are all discussing the relative merits of Nikons vs Canon cameras.
Here are a coupla photos:
The rain running down my windshield
and the #28 roadster with Lee Kennedy following him in the truck with his lightbar flashing. Glen Barrett reported that his mile speed was just over 50 mph.
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12 o'clock for a board meeting to decide whether to run tomorrow.
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Hey! even though I'm a car guy, I liked the idea of that rear engine bike, will it handle better at high speed because of the engine location??? Thanks for the photos :cheers:
try to throw a dart feather end first..?...
with that said, im not gonna say it wont work..
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Joea, you bring up an important fact, thanks
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I've been trying to post this for 45 minutes...so here goes again.
It ain't gettin any better at all. Weather Underground (wunderground.com) sez it's "overcast" (see animated file.)
Next shot is the long course starting line,
then the Old Crow lakester,
and a shot Pork Pie did of it without the port-a-potties in the background (I wasn't gonna get outta the Burb...it's wet and windy and cold...)
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We'll be back in the morning. Thanks for listening.
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We'll be back in the morning. Thanks for listening.
Thanks for the sharing.
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The SCTA board met and decided to call things off for today, but will meet again tomorrow morning about 7 ayam and have a decision about the rest of the meet by 8. We'll know more then.
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Thanks for the updates!
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The fastest car of the meet was a sedan?
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Probably was the yellow Mitsubishi G/PS 4-door. I think he ran first before the rain started in earnest...then there were a coupla roadsters. After that, it was as one guy suggested to me: odds-on favorite for top speed of the meet would be Miss Budweiser. :)
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rough session so far ... any chance of clearing?
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I wouldn't bet on it.
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October is always weird, one time it was cancelled the day before we left, another time we went it was called off two days into it.
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Ray - thanks for putting up the photo of the Chevette. As you already know, I like interesting four-bangers and that sure qualifies as one.
Jon - kudos to you, too, for the shot of the Mustang II which is another four-banger.
Bob
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Ray - thanks for putting up the photo of the Chevette. As you already know, I like interesting four-bangers and that sure qualifies as one.
Jon - kudos to you, too, for the shot of the Mustang II which is another four-banger.
Bob
X2.
The Chevette actually makes sense for a production class - nice install.
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Well -- Max has hit the trail for home*, and Nancy and I are about ready to set sail come morning. We'll stay around 'til the BNI board tells us it's okay to leave (as volunteers we stay 'til they say to leave, understand). I've already canceled the morning pumping of the porta potties. How's that for taking this duty seriously?
The weather back home looks great: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Skandia&state=MI&site=MQT&textField1=46.38&textField2=-87.23.
We'll get home in about three days, by which time -- the fall colors oughta still be fine. Come on up for a look-see -- this is the time of year that the Chamber of Commerce brags about.
As for the Wendover Chamber of Commerce -- I don't remember them talking about the wet and windy days, like today has been.
Whatever -- I'll still let you know if I hear anything more about the event and the potential cancellation. But for now -- it's time to enjoy the local cuisine. Last night the Salt Flats Cafe -- tonight a half-price buffet. Then, best of all -- three days of road food. Mmm, good :roll:
* I've asked it before -- and will ask you folks again. Max is kind of shy about the audio streaming, but if you'd type a few words of thanks directly to him -- I'd sure appreciate it. I'll start a "Thanks, Max" thread where you can do just that. I'll post this, start the thread and then come back here to add the link for your ease. Thank you very much.
Here's a link for you to get to the "Thanks, Max" topic: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,10388.0.html
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Ray - thanks for putting up the photo of the Chevette. As you already know, I like interesting four-bangers and that sure qualifies as one.
Jon - kudos to you, too, for the shot of the Mustang II which is another four-banger.
Bob
X2.
The Chevette actually makes sense for a production class - nice install.
??? Looks like a fore-aft install in the engine, which I suspect means rear-wheel-drive and therefore gas coupe. But then again, I've never had the urge to look under the hood of anything with an ecotech engine.
Mike
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I think F/GC is what was on the window. It was a pretty nice build, as far as I could see. The twin Webers on the Ecotec looked kinda strange. Before they opened the hood, I asked what motor was in it and the (apparent) owner said, "Quad-Four...I mean Ecotec." The cam covers say Ecotec and I dunno how much difference there is in the 2 motors or if it would have made any difference as to which one was in it. I wonder how the Variable Valve Timing would have worked with a carbureted motor. It's a pity they never got to run.
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??? Looks like a fore-aft install in the engine, which I suspect means rear-wheel-drive and therefore gas coupe. But then again, I've never had the urge to look under the hood of anything with an ecotech engine.
Mike
The chevette was rear wheel drive, having an engine that was not available keeps it out of production class.
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Huh! Learn something new every day on this site! :mrgreen:
Mike
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I am 99.999 percent certain the eventwill be called, one track is closed and one is wet with more rain.
Good luck racers..even with so very little chance of it clearing up it is one of the best places to be. :cheers:
Drive safe on the way home everyone.
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A friend of mine ran a Chevette back in the early 90s. It was Offy powered, had a spoiler, probably ALT or CC, not sure. With the short wheel base I remember he spun quite a few times, I think he ran around 198, not sure on that.
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It's cool but clear here this morning. I went down to the lobby for coffee and the sign says that BNI is surveying the situation and will make an announcement about cancelling the event - sometime after 8AM local time (that's in about 20 minutes). Since they're out there, though -- we might not hear the word for a while.
That said -- John, I expect you're right. It was rainy as the dickens last evening, with temps down below 40F as Nancy and I came back from supper. That isn't good track-drying weather.
Stay tuned for official word, and also don't forget that the SCTA website might have the official word even sooner than I can get it to you. www.scta-bni.org
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RAy Buck just called from the lake -- 4 - 8 inches of water between Land's End and the pits, and the event, he reports, is officially cancelled. We're headed to the lobby to see if it's posted there yet.
It's over, folks.
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Any word on what will be done with entry fees ?
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Watch the SCTA website -- they'll show details like that when they're announced.
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Thanks. :cheers:
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While I'm sitting here with a wet ignition, I'll post a few shots of Lake Bonneville:
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And a few more
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Darn shame to think about how many thousands of dollars of gas and diesel were burned by teams to get to the salt and not be able to run!! :-(
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Slim to Ray, Slim to Ray:
The rescue crew is leaving town and on the way. Will stop for fuel, dig out the tow strap and boots, and see you in a little while.
Over and out.
Mr. & Mrs. Slim
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Great pictures Ray, snow on the mountains behind the flats already!!!! Wow.
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I have noticed the last 5 years that the weather the week before world finals has been beautiful................just saying.
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+1 on the great pics..............and snow..............I'll continue to go to the flats in August!
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Anyone know how fast the Yellow Raver Motorsports Galant went? No results posted for the few runs that did go down.
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Anyone know how fast the Yellow Raver Motorsports Galant went? No results posted for the few runs that did go down.
212. Wayno
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From the photos ... it isnt just wet ... it is also windy.
JD
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I was talking with a local merchant yesterday that asked me why the event is not scheduled one week earlier.
Bill
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Too close to other events?
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If any of y'all know what the weather will be a year in advance we will ensure you get on the date selection committee. Every race date in the last 60 years has been at the mercy of the weather.
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The photo I've attached is the last one I shot today: my Burb being towed off the salt (lake) by the "dinosaur" (also known as the "ASSReV": Alien Space Ship Recovery Vehicle) by Jim Dunn who was kind enough to let me keep my feet dry while he got even wetter hooking a chain to the control arm.
After a coupla trips to the parts store (Carquest, where Mike, the manager and mayor of Wendover lent me some tools) and changing the distributor cap, rotor, ignition module and coil, we gave up and I put my AAA card to use. The Burb s now in a shop in West Wendover run by a friend of one of the security guys...I figger it's the pickup coil in the distributor...and should be fixed by mid-morning tomorrow. I'm staying an extra night in Wendover and will drive home when it's fixed.
In spite of all the weird stuff that's gone on today, I'm (amazingly) in a pretty good mood and very grateful to the people who have been there to offer help in many ways. Pork Pie stuck around until he saw that I was ok in a motel before returning to SLC and a whole lotta people were there to help. I'll finish the tale when I get home.
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Ray, I think we got a good set of photos of you, Jim, and the dinosaur heading in to Land's End this morning. I say I think -- 'cause we're holed up in a motel in Rexburg, Idaho right now and it's snowing and pretty crappy outside and I'm not in the mood to run out to the truck to get the camera to load the pictures so I can show you how cool it looked as you headed to the dry (so to speak) world.
So - soon after we saw you at Land's End we hooked up the trailer are headed for home. The weather on the way to SLC was lousy-looking -- nasty clouds, but at least strong tailwinds. Then we turned north on I-15 and had more winds, then lots of rain, and by the time we got to the Utah-Idaho state line -- the temp was dropping and the southbound vehicles were getting covered with the northbound snow. So we kept going - but the NOAA weather radio told us that heading up through the Raynald Pass on the way to Bozeman wouldn't be a good thing to try in the dark, so here we are - a lot farther from home than you are. We'll need another two and a half days to get back to the sunny UP.
Glad you're safe and warm and looking around to realize how many people want to help you - and all of us in the land speed racing world - stay safe. Take care -- and I'll post those shots tomorrow.
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Lynda told me this morning that the pits were one foot deep and it was hard to see the cones to pickup. I left at 8 a.m. going back to SoCal and went thru 150 miles of snow (or whatever that white stuff is) way past Ely.
Sure were a bunch of heavy-hitters there to give it a try. I think the odds are 50/50 every year and one week won't make a difference.
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Already home...Lucky we loaded the roadster up after inspection and took it back to the hotel Tuesday nite. Brought it back out and warmed it up after the drivers meeting and were ready to head to the starting line Wednesday about 9 AM. Rain started and back in the trailer it went. We helped Charlie Reno & Scott Brown load Charlies modified during a lul in the rain and we both took them back into town for nite...Guess we were lucky with that but not for the week.
At Least we didn't break anything and are now ready for El Mirage in 2 weeks and hopefully November.
Hey this happens....2009 and 2010 WF were great and this won't discourage me at all......................JD
PS: drove quite a few miles in Nevada snow........................A first for us
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JD good seeing you and Patrick again. Thanks for the help loading. Got the car stripped cleaned and winterized Thursday. In the 20's this morning in Ely.
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Shucks Ray, I thought it was Jon that towed you out!! Guess I was confused by all the "dead" vehicles being towed out to Land's End.
Wednesday night was the weirdest night I've seen on the salt....first time I've ever seen 2 ft waves on the salt!
I have the greatest Security Team on the planet!! They all knew the dangers of being out there with no cones to keep them off of the slush stuff and they all went anyway, just because I asked them to!!
Visibility was down to less than 100 ft and not one of them hesitated to head out! Even Kiwi Steve had to be guided to Land's End by our headlights and emergency flashers!
So, next year, please take the time to tell them thank you...not me, not my "Gate" people, but the ones that are in the pit pushing you out for the night and the ones that are there to give you a guiding light each morning...They are the ones that went above and beyond the call of duty and deserve a Thank You!!
I LOVE my Team!! They are awesome!!
Lynda
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Lynda,
since when you call Jon a Dinosaur.........you remember where Ray was hanging on.... :-D
By the way,
Ray wrote me a email that the Burb is fixed....his bank account killed.....and he is on the way back home to SLC......where a well heated place is waiting.....
This from ole
PORK PIE
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I'm back home now. The pickup coil in the distributor was bad. It's fixed now, not quite as expensive as I had feared. Burb runs very nicely and the trip home was uneventful. When I got to my house, Pork Pie was cleaning my kitchen. A very nice thing!
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Ray see if Pork pie has any leads on finding a picture of an engine rebuild stand to fit a 1710 Allison, I stopped by Butch Grahams , and helped him drag the engine out of its corner, he wants to roll it over and pull the pan to inspect and detail it , for installation in the streamliner . But we are not sure how to build a stand that will let us rotate the engine and also saftely hold the weight of the thing, Butch says it weighs about 1200 lbs.
He said pork pie told him that he has photos of Arfons shop and pictures of an allison on a rebuild stand. but as of yet I cant find a link. Help !
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Billy
This might be the closest you'll find. These are friends of mine and this is a clone of a OTC unit. This application bolts a plate on the side of the engine. A gear drive rotates the engine. Not sure if the budget will allow for a purchase, but there enough pics on the site if you want to make you own.
Skip Pipes
http://www.norcoindustries.com/products/model/78160.html
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Ray see if Pork pie has any leads on finding a picture of an engine rebuild stand to fit a 1710 Allison, I stopped by Butch Grahams , and helped him drag the engine out of its corner, he wants to roll it over and pull the pan to inspect and detail it , for installation in the streamliner . But we are not sure how to build a stand that will let us rotate the engine and also saftely hold the weight of the thing, Butch says it weighs about 1200 lbs.
He said pork pie told him that he has photos of Arfons shop and pictures of an allison on a rebuild stand. but as of yet I cant find a link. Help !
Write Tim Arfons, Pickle Road, Akron Ohio.....if you can"t get the full address I will get you the address....but, sorry, not before Monday....I have the address at home.
Tim will give you the necessary help.
PORK PIE
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Ray see if Pork pie has any leads on finding a picture of an engine rebuild stand to fit a 1710 Allison, I stopped by Butch Grahams , and helped him drag the engine out of its corner, he wants to roll it over and pull the pan to inspect and detail it , for installation in the streamliner . But we are not sure how to build a stand that will let us rotate the engine and also saftely hold the weight of the thing, Butch says it weighs about 1200 lbs.
He said pork pie told him that he has photos of Arfons shop and pictures of an allison on a rebuild stand. but as of yet I cant find a link. Help !
http://vintagev12s.com/services.htm
Call these guys and get a photo or just poke around their sight.
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Tim Arfons
2396 Pickle Rd.
Akron Oh. 44312
330 644 5146
Talked to Art at length a few years ago. Needed advise/help with a scale model of Green Monster eleven.
He loved it and thanked me for thinking that much of him and his creation.
Me? ... I was humbled just to be able to talk to him.
He wanted very much to see the finished project.
I never made the trip.
Moral of the story ... never pass up an opportunity to listen, observe, learn the history of this sport. Spend some time with the pioneers.
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(http://)Yeah good advise !,, the diesel stand has one drawback there is no way to bolt the plate to the engine, I am familiar with these stands I used one in a former life, and yeah they are great for the correct application, as it looks we could build a steel frame work around the engine using the factory motor mounts then find the center of balance and maybe use two HD automotive engine stands as a mounting and a pivot. I'm sure there is a simple solution to this we just have to have a few beers and sit and look at it long enough ! Thanks to all for your suggestions and advise !
I've been trying to include a photo of the engine but cant seem to get it figured out .
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You might want to check with Ed Pink, I think he was the Rolls Royce V-12 Master also!
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Be safe back home.
Very bad luck with the weather for World Final....hope that all the victims like Ray the Rat's Burb make it home, at last, too.
Was great to seeing you all.....stay crazy and upright....hope to see you all again in August next year.
A special thanks goes to Ray the Rat for the great welcome and hospitality at his place in SLC
.....and now.....I need a longer nap.......
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I just got photos from WF (such as it was) on my server: http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2011/05-wf/Welcome.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2011/05-wf/Welcome.html)
Most photos are mine, some are Pork Pie's, and one was shot by Jamie Williams. I tried to tell the story of the weather, some folks who were there and my own mirth and frivolity with my Burb.
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After driving through 7 miles 3 times of 6" deep water on the salt and 150 miles of rain, sn ow & hail I didn't think there would be much salt under the truck,WRONG) I did a quick wash when I got home and today I was under it again. There was a lot of salt film and small loads in corners and other place the human eye can't see. Another 2 hours of spraying under it , letting it dry and then two coats of salt-x I think it's pretty clean. Need to touch up a few rust spots on the frame etc. Have fun, mother nature helps but the final cleaning is up to you and don't forget the trailer and race car.
:cheers:
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Glen, I thought the Salt-X was to be put on BEFORE the salt. I spray the underside of the truck and trailer while still at home and then go to Bville - hoping that the weather will be dry all of the way to Wendover. The stuff is water soluble and I therefore expect that it'll wash off as we're driving through the rain.
But now you say that you put it on after you've washed off the salt. Is that the right way to do it? I've got some Salt-X left and will put it on the truck if you say it'll do some good now. By the way -- our pickup goes in for some body work day after tomorrow - and the shop is already asking about how much salt they'll find in there. I wonder -- will get some good feedback about how much is found. We did drive through hundreds of miles of slush, rain, and even some snow. If there's salt there still -- I won't be surprised, dang it.
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Jon, I have always cleaned with fresh water after going to the salt. I also spray before. When I talked to the salt-x guy by phone he said before and after is the best treatment as the alum block and trans need it for sure.
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We always give it a good shot of Salt-Away after it's been washed for the last time after we get home. [Before we get the Mag-Chloride treatment that the Highway Dept. puts on the roads in Montana all Winter]. As an afterthought, after you get done washing, carefully reach up on top of the lip above the wheel arches and find all the salt that is laying out of reach of the pressure washer. Then figure out a way to get it rinsed off or it will sit there all Winter. Also, flush out all those hollow frame/suspension members that have been hiding salt deposits and salt water.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I'm going to resurrect this thread - to ask if anyone has some good data on how many World Finals events have been cancelled due to weather. We've often heard things like "It's cancelled about every other year" and "More ofgen than not WF isn't held because of the weather" and so on.
Would somebody out there in Forum-land dig up the truth/records of WF events, please? Maybe a listing by year of Finals - showing times when there was an event and times when there wasn't one.
Thanks.
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I'm going to resurrect this thread - to ask if anyone has some good data on how many World Finals events have been cancelled due to weather. We've often heard things like "It's cancelled about every other year" and "More ofgen than not WF isn't held because of the weather" and so on.
Would somebody out there in Forum-land dig up the truth/records of WF events, please? Maybe a listing by year of Finals - showing times when there was an event and times when there wasn't one.
Thanks.
Ok, I don't know how to find a list of rained out events so I looked at SCTA's website at all current records and looked for records set in October. The oldest record I could find in October was 1999, so I assume that was the first, if not that is where my data starts. There were records set in October of 99,01,02,03,04,07,08,09,10. So I am assuming that 00,05,06,11 were rainouts (or no records are still in the books from those years). 13 Events, 9 had records, 4 no records (assumed rainout). so about a 31% chance of a rain out. (with a sample size of 13 consecutive years....added after Glens Comment of starting in 91)
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The first world finals was in 1991 and under LSA (Land Speed Auth.) Beginning in 1992 they were changed to SCTA/BNI world finals LSA was dropped as a event sponsor. Th e rule books didn't show the month/year until later. So it looks like 20 years of world finals and I don't have the results/file handy but will try to dig them out and find the rain out years.
Speed week rain outs we 82,83,93, & 94. There have been a couple of shortened meets due to wet tracks before or during a meet.