Motorcycle Tire Traction on Salt

[desotoman]

franklin   i dont understand  you seem like a very intelligent person but you just dont get it --is it everyone else that is out of step or is it you--
willie buchta

Thank you Willie. Now you get it.

Tom G.

[Ratliff]

Here's a demonstration of what a rider drag chute looked like during deployment.

[desotoman]

FWIW, there is a procedure spelled out on SCTA homepage about how to make a rule change request, and I believe somebody has posted about their experience about it here.

Only problem is you have to be an SCTA-BNI member to put in a rule change. Franklin are you an SCTA-BNI member? Yes or No?

Tom G.

[Nortonist 592]

I've just been reading this thread.  Quite interesting.  We have enough classes without having someone build something and then want a class for it.  By SCTA rules it can't run as a bike.  It has five wheels so its not a sidecar or a car.  Maybe Ratliff would like to form a new timing assoc. for this vehicle.  The front wheels are from a snowmobile.  Are we to become the Snowthern California Timing Assoc.?

[Ratliff]

I've just been reading this thread.  Quite interesting.  We have enough classes without having someone build something and then want a class for it.  By SCTA rules it can't run as a bike.  It has five wheels so its not a sidecar or a car.  Maybe Ratliff would like to form a new timing assoc. for this vehicle.  The front wheels are from a snowmobile.  Are we to become the Snowthern California Timing Assoc.?

For most of its history, if a racer wanted to set a lakester or streamliner record they had to achieve the maximum possible speed per cubic inch, because there was no such thing as a gas, fuel, supercharged, or normally aspirated lakester or streamliner. There were twelve bike classes (six fuel, six gas). All records in lakester, streamliner, and bike were based entirely on engine displacement. The SCTA could go back to that philosophy. The current fastest car and fastest bike in each displacement class would then become the record holder.

That ought to shorten the lines and open up some space for true progessive thinking with real innovation in machines that reflect actual progress in technology.

There are snowmobiles right now where a racer could take them straight off the dragstrip and run them at Bonneville.

[sabat]

That ought to shorten the lines and open up some space for true progessive thinking with real innovation in machines that reflect actual progress in technology.

This is such an arrogant statement, it's hard for me to understand how anyone could think this, much less post it.  You need help.

[John Noonan]

That ought to shorten the lines and open up some space for true progessive thinking with real innovation in machines that reflect actual progress in technology.

This is such an arrogant statement, it's hard for me to understand how anyone could think this, much less post it.  You need help.

Dean,

That is why 18 people at this time have all posts from a "certain Member" blocked so they do not have to see the drivel in most of the posts.  It was 24 last time I checked..

Dean you going to Maxton this weekend?

J

[sabat]

That's the plan. Have to tune a bit at the MPS dyno in Sanford, FL Friday morning, then head north.  I bet you're still high from your weekend 

[Nortonist 592]

Mmmm.   240.197 on an unfaired bike?   I'd call that progress (technologically or otherwise).

[Ratliff]

That ought to shorten the lines and open up some space for true progessive thinking with real innovation in machines that reflect actual progress in technology.

This is such an arrogant statement, it's hard for me to understand how anyone could think this, much less post it.  You need help.

That is based on a simple comparison between the number of classes and configurations developed in drag racing versus SCTA land speed racing over the last forty years.

Top Fuel dragster
Rocket dragster
http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/free-sprint.html
http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/x1.html
http://www.laffin-gas.com/newcar.php
Jet dragster
http://www.americanjetcars.com/carfon.html
http://www.americanjetcars.com/arfons/walt/warf35.htm
Turbine dragster
Nonairbreathing turbine dragster
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4010.0.html

Funny Car
Rocket Funny Car
http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/kitty.html (Kitty O'Neil at El Mirage)
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4110.0.html
Jet Funny Car
http://www.firestorm-jfc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Rocket bikes
http://www.arvilporterprojects.com/index.htm
Jet bikes
http://www.ballisticeagle.com/
Nonairbreathing turbine bikes
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4010.0.html

Just a comparison of one of the original six jet cars, the Valkyrie/a.k.a. U.S.1, to one of the first second generation jet cars, Craig Arfons J-85 dragster, shows the tremendous progress and change that took place in only twenty years.

I think this history of innovation has been further demonstrated in the influence of drag racing on the cars we see running at Bonneville today.

Below is a link to photos of Jay Upton's streamliner Top Fuel bike.

http://www.sprintex.com.au/Top_Bike_-_The_Edge_Photo_Gallery.asp

Could this be the kind of sit on bike we see at Bonneville in the future?

[Dean Los Angeles]

Dense
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Function:
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Inflected Form(s):
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Date:
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3: having between any two elements at least one element <the set of rational numbers is dense>
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5: having high or relatively high opacity <a dense fog> <a dense photographic negative>

[sabat]

I'm not going to argue with you, but there is no sane person who would imply that the current SCTA rules preclude progressive thinking, innovation, or progress.

[bvillercr]

Willie:  A couple of years ago I remember Scott Guthrie posting a note saying that he had done the math on motorcycle classes -- and there are over 2,300 possible classes just for bikes.  I don't thnk there are thtmany car classes -- but your ewag of 2,000 is low!  Wow, hey?  Add in cars and there are likely more than 3,000.

Assuming we're just talking about open bikes, 2,300 classes is an increase of 19,166 percent since 1974.

While we are this far off topic, how about them Lakers?

Since we are way off topic, how bout a winner?  Or an underdog like them FRESNO STATE BULLDOGS!!!!  CWS champions.

[Nortonist 592]

If we were to go back to twelve motorcycle classes ingenuity and innovation would disappear.  Once the fastest bike for each class was determined then we would have a procession of similar bikes.  Much like the NHRA pro classes.  There may be too many classes (or not) but the amount of classes produces a great variety of machinery.  Not everyone wants to go 200.  Some enjoy the challenge of making small displacement  motors go fast.  The F.I.M. has simplicity in its displacement classes but can you take an old Triumph and go for a record?  Of course not.  You need the latest model of whatever is the current fastest.  A Harley can't compete with a Hayabusa.  But with the SCTA the Harley has a class it can run in.  The street luge concept is not new.  I've been building this 500 pushrod sidecar for a while now and with a bit of luck it will be out in Sept.  Why not dump the four front wheels and add a fork and 15" wheel?


By weslake, shot with Canon PowerShot A430 at 2008-02-11

[SPARKY]

Propster----NO MORE ANTI-SCTA RANTS-------------and you were doing so good far a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!