New class for Bonneville/El Mirage

[jl222]

I think it is a great idea. Good idea allowing aftermarket "stock" frames. Some of that old stuff is just plain worn out. Those bodies are getting hard to find. Proably cheaper to allow replica fiberglass bodies as well as steel. A lot of that iron SBC stuff has been accumulating in our garages for years and it is the ubiquitous hot rod motor. You certainly have to allow SBC. But the old hemis were to lust after in high school. I was amazed how easily the 331 Hemi fit in my 46 Ford. What Hot Rod Magazine cover didn't have a hemi on it. Induction and cams are just too hard to control. Hot rods ran everything, even Mechanical Hilborn on the street. Just for ease of inspection I would stay with the gas coupe rules as you suggest. You can't leave out XF and XO engines in that era. Suggest they be added. I like Rich's idea of a dizzy with points but who remembers the old Spaulding Dual Coil Flame Thrower! Can I run mine?

I think you hit on a recipe for a lot of fun, Dan. 

  My brother and I had a flamethrower on our blown Olds street roadster [1956] gave it to Allan Mcalister a couple of years ago the M in BRM racing. My brother still had it after last raced in 1959   Allan wanted it for a 4 cyl.

                 JL222

[dw230]

Here is an idea. Inspect at the hotel in Ely with all the animals out front. If you come from a different direction you have a treat in store.

After inspection burn rubber for Wendover, approx. 120 miles. Drive straight to the new for 2011 impound trailer and bring me a beer.

Inspection complete, only 90 minutes to get there (you will have a punched card) and you will know where impound is for all the open class records.

DW

[mtkawboy]

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/articles/rpo_d80.htm   http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/restoarchives/winter99/18-21camaro.pdf  69 camaro aerodynamics

[Milwaukee Midget]

Here is an idea. Inspect at the hotel in Ely with all the animals out front. If you come from a different direction you have a treat in store.

After inspection burn rubber for Wendover, approx. 120 miles. Drive straight to the new for 2011 impound trailer and bring me a beer.

Inspection complete, only 90 minutes to get there (you will have a punched card) and you will know where impound is for all the open class records.

DW

Hmmm - combination LSR and TSD Rally?  Attach the pacenotes to the logbook?  No digital chronographs, please.

Naaa, let's keep it simple.

[Glen]

DW, I think a required pit stop in Wells should be included.

[theazoldcrow]

     This thread is getting to be REAL fun!!!!

[Bob Drury]

  Unfortunatly, Dyno hit the nail right on the head:  There are about ten thousand wanna-be street rodders who think going 200 will get them a red hat ( well, I guess one would) so here is my answer.
  LET THEM RUN ONLY AT THE WORLD FINALS WHERE ROOMS AT THE BIG THREE ARE LESS THAN FIFTY BUCKS A NIGHT.  Perhaps the USFR would also welcome them, but PLEASE, NOT AT SPEEDWEEK.
  Other than that I love the idea, and besides, it gives us something to have fun with.... other than Stan, who undoubtably will get a couple tons of coal for Christmas...................   Bob

[Stan Back]

Starting in Ely, hopefully at the Hotel Nevada, would be great fun.  I stayed there in Oct. for $38.  Great restaurant, too.  But you might need chains to get to Wendover at WF time.  Last year it was 18º thru the passes with luckily no precipitation.  (And no heater in the Mercury.)

[Nortonist 592]

Stan,  You should bring some of those lumps of coal you get for Christmas and burn them in the Mercury. That should keep you warm and toasty! 

[J.Fishbeck]

Stan,  You should bring some of those lumps of coal you get for Christmas and burn them in the Mercury. That should keep you warm and toasty! 

Hahaha!

[Stainless1]

If the weather is too dicey in Oct, and no one wants more "hot rodders" hogging the expensive casino room in Aug, the answer is simple.... Mike Cook could add it to his event.    The hot rods could fill all the dead track time, Mike could reap the profits of many more entries, Stan could be the flagman starter in Ely, the RFTA could sanction the records, it is win win for everyone....

[Stainless1]

Oh I forgot, Dan can still have an impound since he is already at the shootout, and everyone must bring him a beer to qualify to be in the class.

[michael lueders]

How about a class for cars that must pass 50 emissions or tighter yet..CA smog legal cars. Should put some clever people to work coming up with the inevitable engineering to get performance and still be able to register a new hot rod in the very near future. Would still be a drive to the meet, run and drive home class. Currently CA limits only 500 "home-built" cars each year. Unless you can point out a majority of parts from an exempt vehicle it is coming down to a lotto for new builds...say a  car like the FFR coupe etc could NOT be legally registered, unless you put a legal motor and exhaust system in it. The CA DMV is cracking down and pulling registration for previously approved cars as we speak. The new Coyote motor looks promising but could be made better. It's where hot rodding is headed due to the happy greenie people.
Just a thought

[Elmo Rodge]

If the weather is too dicey in Oct, and no one wants more "hot rodders" hogging the expensive casino room in Aug, the answer is simple.... Mike Cook could add it to his event.    The hot rods could fill all the dead track time, Mike could reap the profits of many more entries, Stan could be the flagman starter in Ely, the RFTA could sanction the records, it is win win for everyone....

Can you imagine the nightmare of trying to "lock down" the Salt for the Shootout cars to run?  Wayno

[LittleLiner]

The last thing LSR needs is MORE CLASSES. 
I can see that running the cars that are proposed for Hot Rod classes has much to be desired.  (A return to the origins of the sport, etc.etc.) 
But . . . Why is it necessary to establish a bunch of new classes?   I wonder how long it will be until all the record holders in these hot rod classes will be held by either a Crosley or a Chrysler Airflow sedan or a 48 Frazer, or a 48 Studebaker, or a 48 Hudson.  So much for tradition.
. . . Looking at the proposed Hot Rod classes I see them as a group of current existing Classic Category classes tweaked with some additional restrictions like a narrower definition of acceptable years of production and more restrictive limits on the engines.  Plus there is the requirement for functioning street equipment.  All well and good but what's the point?   Those classes already exist.  Enter these Hot Rods in those classes. 


OK, I admit I am just being a party pooper.   I have not offered a solution . . . So consider this. 

There are existing examples where LSR cars (and motorcycles) compete in LSR events separate from existing Bonneville classes.  Look at the classes that are used for the Motorcycles in the Super Streetbike Magazine Top Speed Shootout (see http://www.ecta-lsr.com/?page_id=130).  Another good example is the VW classes that don't fit into SCTA rules but run at Bonneville.  (see http://www.burlyb.com/).  These groups coordinate their efforts with existing LSR organizations (ECTA and USFRA, etc). They maintain their own set of rules and records.

Following a template like the VW 36hp Challenge, existing SCTA clubs (or a new independent group) could establish rules for Street Driven LSR Hot Rods, publish the rules, scrutinize the competitors and award the records.  Nothing gets added to the SCTA/BNI rule book, no new SCTA/BNI records are established or maintained, no need to set up minimums for El Mirage and or the Bonneville 200mph club.  Just good old fashioned competition like it used to be (whatever that means).