MM Enzo TT sets New Record at Bonneville at 237.871 in C/Blown Fuel Modified Spo

[Bob Drury]

  Aircap, Stan, etal,
  If you want to compare apples to oranges, I believe The 300 mph roadster did it with a A/Fuel dragster engine purchased from Jerry Darien and formerly run in one of John Forces daughters cars.
  Without starting any who did what with money, and not in anyway trying to take away from the awsome run by Dave Davidson, what exactly is the difference?
  Stan, I take nothing away from the "way it used to be", but who says that the Enzo team didn't deserve their record any more than Dave, John Beck, etal.
  Let's congratulate both teams, quit the snide remarks, and work on getting records for our own cars.
  Try metamucil, it really works..................... Bob

[johnbeck]

Bob , for the record , our engine had nothing to do with Jerry , who is a great power provider , and also an unblown nitro specielist , and is also a power provider for the BMR team who was a big threat for the title of "first hi-boy over 300 mph".
Our engine was bought at a devorce sale from a IHRA funny car team and we simply took out the 4 second fuse and put in a 45 second fuse.
I really don't know much about the Ferarri team but I think that Mike Cook's Alpha was impresive.

[Bob Drury]

  John, sorry for the misinformation.  I was thinking of the BRM car Fogie drove. 
  As a guy who has worked on drag race cars with high buck motors, I speak from experience saying no matter who builds the motor, you still gotta tune them to make them work, and I salute you, Dave, and all your guys for making the power and getting it to stick.
  You guys must have a 2" thick plate belly pan...............

[johnbeck]

Bob , its only 1.5" thick , We are very happy with what we have accomplished. As you might know I am but a small town humble engine builder who knows not of such things as nitro and boost but was able to hit my azz with both hands this time.

[SPARKY]

and a mighty fine lick it was SIR    

[javajoe79]

 I would bet that the aero on the Enzo isn't so good for outright speed as it was designed to make ALOT of downforce without a wing so it probably has alot of aero drag.

[JoshH]

I would bet that the aero on the Enzo isn't so good for outright speed as it was designed to make ALOT of downforce without a wing so it probably has alot of aero drag.

Exactly, these cars are built to be somewhat twitchy at speed to aid turn-in and responsiveness for road/track use. They're simply not designed for speeds much above 2. A few years back when Amir was running his F40 he experienced this first hand, the car would suddenly change course with absolutely no driver input, they ended up putting weight in the car and doing all sorts of things to no avail. He never was fully comfortable in the car at speed. I solute these guys for their bravery.

He ended up retiring the F40 and bought the big streamliner, I believe this was a smart move on his part.  

[Beairsto Racing]

"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines." - Enzo Ferrari

I thinks its awesome that these folks came to the salt with something different, chased a steep learning curve and set a record.
No doubt, they caught salt fever bad and will return for years to come.

[Stan Back]

"How about another one for shorter wheelbase Modified Sports?
And another for only slightly modified Modified Sports?"

I guess I gotta work on my facetiousness.

Stan

[Bob Drury]

  John, me thinks thou speaks with a twinkle in your eye, I sold you guys the Whipple you covered the entire SBC with................ 
  Stan, no fair using spellchecker before posting....................
 

[TunedbyShaneT]

Sure Stan both of those classes would make sense, Chris good to see you again. How are you guys getting on with the Vettes we tuned at Buttonwillow?

As for the records, I was under the impression that no matter what class you choose to run in, if you break a record at Bonneville it is an an accomplishment. Perhaps I overlooked the part in the rulebook that says a certain number of your peers must recognize and appreciate it for it to be so.

I have to tell you guys, coming in with virtually no experience on the salt - that it is much more difficult than it seems like it ought to be. I have been involved with and set records with vehicles in the Standing Mile and it is much more straight forward than the salt - albeit not easy either. I was particularly humbled when after spending several hours in Impound looking over everything possible that could cause us not to get the record in the first place, we had the chute fall out.

It just proves the words to be true that my client John Rains always tells me "Bonneville is a cruel place."

In this type of racing, you really only have 1 chance. The only run that matters is the record run, all the others can be do-overs but you have to have every bolt, every nut, every fitting and every cable in the exact right place and anything no matter how big or small can snatch it away from you and that is assuming you don't have some sort of handling issue during your attempt. While our record of 237.8 mph may not impress those who have been faster, I submit that no less effort was spent in attempting that record. And my hat is off and I salute ALL of those who have and will continue to set records on the salt, because no matter what class or type of car you are in, you are faced with many challenges and just to overcome them is an accomplishment all on its own.

[dw230]

"Perhaps I overlooked the part in the rulebook that says a certain number of your peers must recognize and appreciate it for it to be so. "

Good one Shane. You get it - welcome,
DW

[Stan Back]

Shane --

Your record was impressive, and apparently hard-earned.

Not all competing cars are built to the maximum of the rules.  (Ours isn't, either.)  So getting a record in a class where you haven't built to the max is an even greater accomplishment -- which you did.

But, we've got more than enuf classes already.  And how in the fudge would you write the rules for less than max wheelbase?  How much less?  Less than modified?  

Perhaps we could add a trailer-pulling division to all the car classes.  Sorta like what the wheel on a stick did to the motorcycle.  Oh, wait!  that's been tried before.

Congratulations again,
Stan Back

[johnbeck]

Stan , we are considering a trailor with a fuel tank on it so we could make it to the 4 mile . Is that legal?
We could make it shaped like a brick so that there is no aero advantage

[TunedbyShaneT]

Yeah trailer classes would be cool - except in a spin, but would that be considered a wheelbase change? 

Stan - thanks man. 

As far as the rules changes heck I don't know what or how to enforce or write them. I suspect that it is much easier to talk about the rules than it would be to implement and enforce them.

It might be cool for our particular case if there could be amendments made to a couple other categories to allow non Domestic cars to run or Production Runs less than 500 since we have a car that so far has only had 400 made.

As far as wheelbases go - I'm not sure there is anything to be gained or lost. I used to be under the impression that the longer the wheelbase the less chance for a spin, but that was before I saw a lakester spin at the 3 mile mark last week. Now I'm pretty sure the spin has much more to do with Center of Pressure versus Center of Gravity. I think the wheelbase effectively just dictates the RPM the car will reach while it is spinning about its own center of gravity.

Thanks everyone for the well wishes we really appreciate your interest in our project.