Rules need to catch up with obsolete seat installations

[Franklin_Ratliff]

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/hooley-2005.html

The complete and utter absence of any lateral head support in this car (see above link) is about 20 years behind the times. The fact this installation MADE IT PAST TECH INSPECTION should be embarassing. There are good reasons why NHRA Pro Stocks have for many years incorporated Funny Car style rollcages. One of the major upgrades to driver seats in NASCAR following Dale Earnhardt's death was substantial improvements in lateral head support. This car (and any others like it) should not be allowed to run again until it reflects some minimal knowledge of the CURRENT state of the art in racing safety practices.

[rosemeyer]

That's a bit harsh, isn't it?
What does Sumner has to say about that?

[SALTRACER]

That is Franks MO , no class and a page of other peoples ideas.

[hawkwind]

comments like this ( franks )  are the result when you allow worlds best practice , safety freaks and out of controll greed factories nee insurance companies  to dictate what is "good for you "  Aussie sarcastic humour  or fair dinkum reality  you go figure  
Gary

[SALTRACER]

If Frank wanted to change this rule he should contact the SCTA with the correct paper work.  He however, has no intention of rule changes. All he wishes to do is copy and past a bunch of web addresses and others quotes in an attempt to overwelm us with his rhetoric.  For what? He is not a racer, he does not campaign a car in the SCTA or any Organization.

[JackD]

F_R, you need to go back under your rock.  

[Glen]

The storm is back, FR aka propster and pain in the ass is starting the crap again and next will tell us again what a wonderful LSR  car he has and how safe it is. Go away

[1212FBGS]

has this frank guy ever showed up at an event? has he ever made a pass?
Frank if you go to the NASCAR hall of fame and look at a 80's ere car you'll see that they used production bucket seats in them. Heck they didn't ever seriously address safety till they got international attention when one of there "stars" was killed. What is nice about our sport is we can do what we want to! if you want to build a total enclosed cage around your driver go ahead, do what ya want. But dont nit pick the people who actually show up and race.

[Sumner]

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/hooley-2005.html

The complete and utter absence of any lateral head support in this car (see above link) is about 20 years behind the times. The fact this installation MADE IT PAST TECH INSPECTION should be embarassing.

The car is well within the current safety rules.

Now saying that we are planning on adding more lateral support to the head and shoulder area with a funny car type cage addition for next year.  We are also looking at a HANS type head restraint.  Along with that we are adding NASCAR type roof flaps to the roof of the car.

Are we required to do this or is all of this a good idea?  I'll leave that to others to decide.  We also feel very good about the safety regulations that are imposed and checked by SCTA and have decided to add the above mentioned safety features to the car on our own.

Are we embarassed by the car in it's current state?  I don't think so.  Hooley first went to the salt just a few years ago and I think he and the rest of the team came a long way in a very short time considering this is a new endevor for him and the rest of us on the team.  You could have e-mailed us about your concerns, but if you like pointing out what you feel are people's short comings on a public forum then I hope it adds to your sense of self importantance.

c ya, Sum

[SALTRACER]

Summner need not answer to Frank.  Frank is anything but a racing authority.Franks insults about someones hard work reflects his mentality.  If he was concerned about the safety of Hooley and his crew he should have approached them with his suggestions with a civil tongue in his head.  Other sites have banned him(including this one two years ago) for his obtuse way of talking to people.  If you question his ideas he will call you a dumb ass, mental retard or other third grade insult.  He is not a serious racer, he has failed at his attempt to build a safe and functional salt car.  Don't let him insult you.  It takes a real looser to look at someones car and run it into the ground.  These are the same people who could not design and build a car of there own on any budget or amount of resources. I expect that when Franky reads this thread he will post a bunch of web sites and quotes that he has downloaded to retaliate. He however fails to understand that others ideas and others knowledge will never make his an innovator, or a racer.

[Glen]

Jon, looks like FR need to be blocked again before this goes to far and gets nasty again. His loss our gain.

[SALTRACER]

I second that

[JohnR]

Third

[John Noonan]

fourth....even I get tired of the bs..

[rosemeyer]

FR's comment is just a gratuitous attack on Holey's car and the SCTA tech inspection.
From an observer's point of view, the SCTA provides quite a comprehensive set of instructions regarding safety in its rule book, and their record is certainly not something they should be ashamed of.
Individually, like Sumner said, racers will strive to improve their own safety and minimise risks.