Mike, with all respect, joining a SCTA club as a associate member still doesn't resolve the main issue many of us are trying to resolve. We would like to be involved in disscussions BEFORE they are voted in as law. I think being a member is fine, but I question wether voting on rules can be accomplished. Most of us "outsiders" are not concerned with who runs the organization, and should not be voting on office holders anyway. We would just like to open up the lines of communication between BNI members and SCTA rule makers ahead of time... thanx.