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Offline jl222

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2008, 12:07:38 AM »
when you say how much to build the engine are you talking just the
long block and intake/injectors?
If so my 4 Cly. comes in at:    1260 hp/123 ci/$5400.00
                                         10.25hp per cubic inch  (approx.at) crank


I don't think so add in the turbo-efi-intercooler and dyno time :-D

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2008, 09:08:18 AM »
MM----You are so spot on----she "admires" that I have so---stayed after this for over 5 years it took me to get the "CAR" straight---littlerly and figureatively --LOL---she just doesnt understand  why I now would like to go even faster than it took for me to get my HATS  :evil:---I just need to find out what the RAT is capable of! :cheers:
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2008, 10:59:28 AM »

Stainless, how much hp do you make with the 1000 in your sons bike?

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Rex, the smartass answer is about 209 MPH worth....  :-o  :-D but really I couldn't tell you... It was on the dyno in 2003 when we ran production class, made about 170...  :| Only on the BWD since then, lots of changes and tuning.  Dyno is OK for basic tune, but it is hard to simulate 200 with a NA motor, easier with the closed system (turbo) in the car.
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2008, 12:28:32 PM »
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JNuts, the most I've given for a busa motor with everything, including all the crap I didn't use was $1800, and that one was in 2000 when there weren't a lot of them out there

...$ per HP... who cares...   

$ per MPH, matters a lot more, the last ones are always more expensive than the first ones... 

$ per RECORD... if you are keeping track you should find another hobby...

Like Larry said.... Red Hat ... yours or the ones you help facilitate... Priceless... 

There are many people that read this site that are considering putting a project together and never post. I have also seen projects linger on for years because finishing it cost more than could be spent, and usually is a result of not being realistic when budgeting.

A good comprehensive annalists of cost and how much money it would cost a person to build a competitive vehicle could very well save someone future heartache. It’s easy to say you shouldn’t worry about money and the future possibility of red hats is worth the sacrifice, I happen to agree but most people I know have too many bills and limited means to consider building a LSR vehicle.
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2008, 02:05:03 PM »
JH---I admire your concern for your fellow racer---but it is almost always going to cost more than you can plan for or imagine---many choose the WRONG body configuriation to get it done. Many fail to consider it is TOTAL DRAG they are fighting, with their choice of trans, rear axe, and fluids---BUT, if one can THROW enough HP at it they can over come most things except litteraly flying instead of figureatively!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:   but your choices can some what limit what you will have to spend!!!!!
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2008, 04:45:50 PM »
Well said Sparky
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2008, 05:24:37 PM »
I agree with Sparky and have a little to add.

Many people have unrealistic expectations based on their previous experience in other forms of motorsport.

The fundamentals of LSR haven't changed, we are fighting drag.

As Rex pointed out there are few disciplines that require an engine to run at WOT for five miles, if the horsepower solution is applied then an arms race with power on one side and reliability on the other quickly escalates , the more you spend on power the more you need to spend on strength and reliability to protect your investment.

Everybody wants to go 200mph , until they do, then it's not enough. Many people want to do it their "car of choice" , ...."just because"...Trucks, many many cars and roadsters have been pushed to outer limits of what would seem even plausible...to the casual observer it would seem that loads of power will get them there...they ignore traction and stability let alone aerodynamics, lessons that the record holders have learned slowly and mostly expensively.

On this site are just about all the answers, if not the answers then the questions to set you in the right direction. Budget racing is Formula V and Karts...this,LSR, is a strange search for something that most racers can't even quantify.

I have seen some cars here ( AUS) that were astoundingly fast for their cost , and some that are astoundingly expensive for their speed. Therein lies part of the attraction. Some are clever , some are hardworking , some are both and some are neither.

Determination, stubborness, genius , even stupidity and sometimes just plain luck are all part of the party....Jon Noonan hasn't gone over 200 200 times because he can find cheap 'busa motors, he boxes clever.

Do the research, almost nothing is new ,someone somewhere has probably thought of it already, learn the principles apply them and assess the results.........and?


.....................minimise drag!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good thread Jonny. :wink:
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2008, 06:01:26 PM »
Lets see
For my little bike.
I started with 25 hp spent 500 dollars and got 28 hp 3hp for 500
So for me it was over 166 per hp.
The next 10 will cost 5000 dollars that is 500 per hp.
10 MORE could cost 25000 dollars that is what ? 2500 dollars per hp . Now we are talking about real money
They say speed is just a question of money .I say lots of money and a ton of work still wont go fast enough.

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2008, 10:31:12 PM »
 have seen some cars here ( AUS) that were astoundingly fast for their cost , and some that are astoundingly expensive for their speed.

Dr.G  this is SO--so true :cheers:
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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2008, 11:49:37 PM »
JNuts, the most I've given for a busa motor with everything, including all the crap I didn't use was $1800, and that one was in 2000 when there weren't a lot of them out there...

$ per HP... who cares...  :-P :-P

$ per MPH, matters a lot more, the last ones are always more expensive than the first ones...  :wink:

$ per RECORD... if you are keeping track you should find another hobby...

Like Larry said.... Red Hat ... yours or the ones you help facilitate... Priceless...  :wink:


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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2008, 03:24:44 AM »
hey ya go nutz
200 hp
458 ft tq
0 sparkplugs
$29,000
kent

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2008, 09:01:46 PM »
If you are prepared to think outside the box there are some REAL power per HP bargains to be had.

How does 2700hp for $520.00.......that's 0.19c per hp AND it will make 2700 hp day in day out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Aviation-Parts-Gear__curtis-wright-3350-warbird-engine-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ290284717322QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2877QQddiZ2811QQadnZAviationQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20GearQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Aviation_Parts_Gear?hash=item290284717322&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Admittedly it is pretty big & heavy, (2700 lbs) but if a single row can be put in a tiny Goggomobil anything is possible... see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2V7B7-gdRA

Speces on the engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_R-3350


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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2008, 02:08:15 AM »
With the Duramax diesel engines, the first 600hp is cheap, but the next few hundred are expensive.
Pullouts in excellent shape are from 3-6 thou, I usually pay $3000 for a dressed engine.  MSRP for new is $11000.

Tuning adjustments alone will bring the engine up to 500-550rwhp through full length exhaust and air filter, which is conservatively 600hp at the crank.  So about $5/hp.  But to bring the engine up to the 1000hp range takes about $20,000 worth of goodies added.

Guess if I was smart, I'd run two engines. :-D

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2008, 02:22:37 AM »
hey ya go nutz
200 hp
458 ft tq
0 sparkplugs
$29,000
kent

Kent what do the batteries and controller cost? Or are they in the $29k price?
458ft/lbs at 1 rpm!

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Re: $ per HP
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2008, 11:54:15 AM »
$56.25 / HP

I must be sick.
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