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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7935 on: November 05, 2021, 01:46:43 PM »
Chris, your car won't try to change lanes when you leave the line either.  :cheers:
I talked to TC many years back and he said he would point his beast to the opposite lane so when it launched it 'might' just go straight!
I would watch him run with binoculars and the front wheel would 'torque' out of chassis alignment with the rear wheel!  :?
Boris Murray with the twin Trumpets was a little more consistent - but the Hog Slayer was quite the show!  :cheers:
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« Reply #7936 on: November 05, 2021, 02:48:34 PM »
Chris, you could put the Midget in 1st gear and crank the engine over with the starter. Push in the clutch to the point where the car stops rolling forward and that's where your clutch stop needs to be. QED

A good approach as well - we'll get this cat skinned.

I'm thinking using the floor as the stop and making the adjustment in the pushrod. Swapping to the 1275 pedal box makes this possible with a Healey pushrod.

Right now I'm waiting for an oil analysis from Blackstone to gain clues as to what might be going on with the fouling of the #1 plug. It didn't start occurring until I went from 30W break-in oil to 0W30 Mobil 1 racing oil and started using the extra oil contained in the Accusump.

The sump itself is quite shallow - the more info I can gather, the smarter I can approach this.

If the sample indicates ring wear or breakage, I'll be pulling the head for a closer look. If not, I'll likey reinstall the engine and top up with straight 30 again.

I know for sure the sample will indicate a rich condition.
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« Reply #7937 on: November 12, 2021, 07:32:44 PM »
Well, that was inconclusive -

Blackstone by Chris Conrad, on Flickr

While they're assuming an A-Series engine in their analysis (probably due to old records I have on file with Blackstone), what I'm able to gather is that there appears to be nothing structural or mechanical that is out of sorts. 

The leakdown I performed before we left for Bonneville also indicated no issue with ring or valve sealing.

Nick is going to be in Wisconsin for the Bears-Packers game in a few weeks. Before then, I'll give Fordboy a call as well. It would be my preference to not pull the head, but that I can do with the engine in place, and in-chassis tuning might just be what we need to suss out the issues.

I'm very glad to not see indications of excess wear - it speaks to the precision that Mark, Steve Demirjian, and T&T put into the machining work ahead of assembly. Thanks again, guys.

My order from Moss Motors is being filled today - parts are on the way for the new/old Midget clutch arrangement, and, unfortunately, my MGB as well.

I hadn't driven the MGB in over a year due to work on the Midget. When I last drove it, if I rolled into it too hard, I would get a backfire into the supercharger manifold. I checked timing and fuel and looked for leaks around the intake/exhaust gasket. Nothing there, so I pulled the head.

And there's the leak . . .

20211112_171037 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr

Due to pandemic related international shipping issues, the Payen gasket set that I would have preferred to install is not available stateside at the moment. I was able to secure a copper head gasket - it's on it's way.

A mystery was cleared up by me pulling the head on the MGB. From 1972 until 1974, British Leyland B Series heads, casting # 12H2709, utilized a larger intake valve, but did not have hardened valve seats. I've put 40,000 miles on this engine - about 35k of which have been under boost - and only once had to adjust the valves. No valve recession, which indicated that a previous owner had done the heavy lifting and installed hardened seats.

The mystery was why the head did not have air injection holes or plugs, which were a feature of the 12H2709.

Turns out that whoever took care of the head swapped in an earlier 12H1326 head and had it fitted with hardened seats.

20211109_143335 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr

I'm both a bit miffed and grateful, in that the earlier head has a 1.562 intake valve vs. 1.625 for the smog casting. In a stock application, the larger valve head provides more hp toward top end, but loses about 2 hp in the 3k range. And while the 1.625 valve head is desirable to racers, it's noteriety in the dependability department pales to that of the 12H1326.

With the supercharger, horse power has never been an issue with this car, so I won't dwell on it.

I'm just going to replace the gasket, screw it all back together, and be happy that I've got a 50 year old car that I've completely enjoyed escorting Kate around in for the last 18 years.


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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7938 on: November 12, 2021, 10:59:21 PM »
Hey Chris, does Cometic make a MLS gasket for your MGB? 
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7939 on: November 12, 2021, 11:53:16 PM »
Hey Chris, does Cometic make a MLS gasket for your MGB?

A. Out of stock with all known suppliers.
B. Not scheduled for production any time soon.

Copper will be fine - worked for Phil Hill in the MG EX-181, and he pushed a lot more boost than my little street motor ever will.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7940 on: November 15, 2021, 12:35:28 PM »
MM

If you need an address in the UK to ship to I am game; I can then on-ship (some vendors won't do international).

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« Reply #7941 on: November 15, 2021, 01:02:36 PM »
Thanks for that, but parts are on order and already shipped.

I've had good success getting stuff shipped out of GB in the past, even with reluctant suppliers.

The Rover K that I started with came out of a junkyard in Birmingham, and they were loath to ship overseas. I told them I'd take care of all costs and paperwork, but it wasn't untill I told them the engine was going in a Bonneville racer that they finally agreed.

You talk to a parts guy stateside and say "Bonneville", they wonder why you're putting MG parts in a Pontiac.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7942 on: November 25, 2021, 10:53:57 AM »
Hey Chris, does Cometic make a MLS gasket for your MGB?

A. Out of stock with all known suppliers.
B. Not scheduled for production any time soon.

Copper will be fine - worked for Phil Hill in the MG EX-181, and he pushed a lot more boost than my little street motor ever will.

midget,

Call Ken Baurle.

With the stable of Vintage MGB's he maintains, no doubt he has a stack of head gaskets.  He favors the Fel-Pro Print-o-seal over the Cometic.

Also:  Check the head & block for a low spot where the gasket torched.
If it's more than .002" deep on either part, those 3 bolts per cylinder are NOT going to provide enough local "clamp load" for long gasket life.

JMHO

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« Reply #7943 on: November 25, 2021, 11:32:00 AM »
Meah . . . it's all done.

I have no way of accurately checking .002 in situ. 

Went with copper, sprayed the hell out of it, clamped, heat-cycled, retorqued, readjusted lash.

Lost .002 in lash on the retorque with the copper gasket. Went from .015 to .013 cold. THAT I can confirm.

If it gets to the point where it continues to be a problem - ie, it gets to the point where I need to pull the engine - it'll be replaced with somethong more substantial.

More likely need to be sold before that, though.

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.
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« Reply #7944 on: November 25, 2021, 11:38:01 AM »
Happy Thanksgiving to youse two and everyone else watching or contributing to this magnificent malfeasance!  :cheers: :cheers:
Eat until it hurts, then have two pieces of pie - that's my plan and I'm sticking to it!  :evil:
I earned it - just carried up ~130 cu. ft of Christmas stuff from the basement!  :?
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7945 on: November 25, 2021, 01:03:20 PM »
Eat until it hurts, then have two pieces of pie - that's my plan and I'm sticking to it!  :evil:
Eat the pie first, Woody - as uncertain as things sometimes are, I've determined I'm not going out without dessert!
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7946 on: November 25, 2021, 01:48:39 PM »
Eat until it hurts, then have two pieces of pie - that's my plan and I'm sticking to it!  :evil:
Eat the pie first, Woody - as uncertain as things sometimes are, I've determined I'm not going out without dessert!



My Grandmother let me eat dessert first so I wouldn't force it down after the main course.

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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7947 on: November 25, 2021, 07:04:48 PM »
I had an old shop foreman that his uncle told him to always eat dessert first so you always have room. He never had a weight problem!  :? :cheers:
Maybe I should rethink this!  :-P
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7948 on: November 26, 2021, 07:26:01 AM »
As my assistant manager always said "Life's uncertain; eat dessert first "  (Or as I have rephrased it "Go fast now; life's uncertain.)
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7949 on: November 27, 2021, 02:47:21 PM »
ALL . . . .

Since I turned 60, over a decade ago, (Einstein is right, life speeds up as you age . . . .) my mealtime focus has been Liquor and dessert, in that order.

Must be doing something right, everybody else from my family is dead!  (And yeah, I had LOTS of pie!)

YMMV
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