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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7725 on: June 22, 2021, 01:59:56 PM »
Didn't the Spridget community panic when H Todd Wheeler showed up at the Runoffs in the 70s with Lola gearsets adapted to his stock gearbox? I know you and Mark have relationships with Spridget folks in the SCCA and MWCSCC communities?Any possibilities with some CenDiv racers? My relationships dissolved after Istopped racing Spridgets in '80. PS: Hi Mark, it's Vic, former Apex customer.

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« Reply #7726 on: June 22, 2021, 02:40:38 PM »
Well y'all have just about bench raced that thing till it needs an overhaul.... You have more power available at higher RPM.... So take it to the great white with a smaller set of tires as spares and see what it does...
I'm sticking with my 133.6 HP at 11.5K... run it down the track and figure out what you need to do... I say wring it out in 1, 2, and 3rd and set the record, shift to 4th if there is any track left... the front part of the track is where you get speed. 
Let's go racing boys...  :cheers:
While this is true, Stainless, we all know that there is more HP and speed available bench racing, let alone records, why spoil the fun with reality? :-P :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7727 on: June 22, 2021, 04:15:59 PM »
And why there are T-shirts that read The older I get, the faster I was.

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« Reply #7728 on: June 22, 2021, 04:24:37 PM »
"Well, y'all have just about bench raced that thing 'til it needs an overhaul."

Ain't that the truth.

I'm working on a formula for a chart that nails tire (or tyre) slippage (but doesn't include clutch slippage?).  It tracks temperature, humidity, angle of the sun to predict surface moisture gain or loss, distance influence of the canals, hours since last precipitation, tread pattern and tread depth of tires, quantity of tire plies (bias or radial), driveshaft angle, number of u-joints, tire pressure, tire loading because of a different driver, body heat retention because of basic color, shift of front to back weight bias due to fuel expended, pull of moon if available, and a few more things. I've got it worked out with line graphs intersecting a multitude of other graph lines and the basic graph paper lines.  By god -- it's beautiful!!!  Unfortunately my wife just pasted it on the back wall of the den.  So it's not all for not.
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7729 on: June 22, 2021, 11:50:44 PM »
Hey don't get me wrong... I could spend Chris's money with the best of ya... but I'd prefer he spent it on good whiskey, and shared it with me  :naughty

Theoretically built cars will always set theoretical records... Dolan taught me that... but I think Chris and Mark have already done the necessary thing... they built a motor that makes more power, and they don't really know how much... they paid their money, now they take their chance... after they run, they will know what they need to do... smaller tires, steeper gears, different tranny... or just celebrate and then decide what will make their record faster...
They are using the aero package of a brick... hopefully you factored that into your formula Stan... should be similar to your old roadster.... but don't continue your work onto the wall... it will just piss the boss off....
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« Reply #7730 on: June 23, 2021, 10:48:54 AM »
I don't want to cover up the 7 Street Roadster record certificates made with an Isky Dream Wheel and 2 go-kart pyrometers.
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« Reply #7731 on: June 23, 2021, 01:28:29 PM »
Hey don't get me wrong... I could spend Chris's money with the best of ya... but I'd prefer he spent it on good whiskey, and shared it with me  :naughty

Let's see what the local distillery has on tap this summer . . .

Okay, I've got a call in to Nate Jones - thanks Bob and Slim for the tip on that. Waiting for the return call.

These H rated 13's are ~ 21" uninflated. I'm anticipating with air and a shave, they should remain there.

20210623_115923 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr

By the way - have you tried to FIND H rated 13" tires lately? The only reason I have these is that they were too short for the Frankensprite - I kind lucked into that one . . .

As to a 4.55 rear end, I've got a couple of options available and a few phone calls to make. I remain reluctant to go this route - I would prefer to stick to tire swaps - might not be an option, given what we know about the characteristics of the K.

I do have a set of 13" Austin Healey wheels which I should be able to have a 360 degree weld put on -
20210623_120049 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr

20210623_120058 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7732 on: June 23, 2021, 02:50:47 PM »
With 4.22 and available tires, 10500+ in 3rd with the 22's, 11000+ with the 21's. Better change the rev limiter.....
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7733 on: June 23, 2021, 03:13:54 PM »
Better change the rev limiter.....

Here's the rev limiter . . .

20210617_205234 by Chris Conrad, on Flickr


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« Reply #7734 on: June 23, 2021, 04:10:14 PM »
"With 4.22 and available tires, 10500+ in 3rd with the 22's, 11000+ with the 21's."

. . . is what speed?
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« Reply #7735 on: June 23, 2021, 04:39:25 PM »
"With 4.22 and available tires, 10500+ in 3rd with the 22's, 11000+ with the 21's."

. . . is what speed?
more than the record.
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« Reply #7736 on: June 23, 2021, 06:01:30 PM »
It might even be a blessing getting stuck to the short course.  Probably about 1+ minutes to stay at those RPMs.
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« Reply #7737 on: June 23, 2021, 06:05:28 PM »
I betcha you didn't know that Nate Jones has the keys to a battleship.  A real one.  Really.  Ask him for the story.
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« Reply #7738 on: June 23, 2021, 06:37:02 PM »
I betcha you didn't know that Nate Jones has the keys to a battleship.  A real one.  Really.  Ask him for the story.

He mentioned his mom was from Green Bay.

I suppose you dated her at one time?
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Re: Milwaukee Midget
« Reply #7739 on: June 23, 2021, 07:02:26 PM »
Chris, I don't think your wheels require a 360 weld... you can, but you are under 200 and the wheels are smaller than 17 and the tires are shorter than 29...
just the way I read the book...
If they are currently straight I would probably leave them alone  :cheers:
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