What is a World Land Speed Record? is it SCTA, FIM, AMA, ECTA, El Mirage...?

[bak189]

If one were to handle it right a FIM motorcycle "World Record"
can and will get you future sponsorship
help.............the rest gets you a hand shake and a piece of paper............Hey, racing is expensive...Right...........................................................

[willieworld]

Sometimes fast is not that good. Watch the video and see for yourself. Warning...rated R

Sheri Buchta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZksyi-Z8E

[Rchop]

If one were to handle it right a FIM motorcycle "World Record"
can and will get you future sponsorship
help.............the rest gets you a hand shake and a piece of paper............Hey, racing is expensive...Right...........................................................

I have an SCTA speedweek record and an ECTA record. I also got a handshake and a check from my new sponsor!
Is that "check" the piece of paper you're talking about?

[PanchoPistoles]

Don't forget, Glen, I was up there with you from 2001 on.  There was also the option of the BNI-International course. Exactly the same as FIA but without the official stamp.  But I was talking about now, and as you point out, it is not practical now, with the large number of entrants at WF.

As for the "the fastest is the fastest", I was using the international (or world) designation in the official, bureaucratic sense, not implying that it is in some way superior. A BNI record, in my mind, is in no way a lesser accomplishment. We all cheer when a record falls to be replaced by a larger number and it happens over and over at every meet.  Can't get any better than that.
Regards, Frank

[Peter Jack]

Sheri:

That's funny!

Pete

[Sam Green]

Hi guys, This is the way I see this.
You can be your countries national land speed record holder. (SCTA, AMA, ECTA)
You can be the international land speed record holder. (FIM)
If your countries national record is faster than the international record, and is faster than any other countries national record, only then can you lay claim to the world land speed record.
In my class, the FIM record is 8mph faster than the British record. The American record is a further 7mph away.
If I was to break the FIM record, I wouldn't consider myself the world land speed record holder for my class if I didn't better the American figure.
World record holder yes, world land speed record holder no.
Just my take on it, thanks for reading

Sam.

P.S. nice forum.

[Stainless1]

Sam seems to be a pretty smart feller... 
Most of us see it that way.  FIA and FIM don't have classes for everything that runs a Bonneville, so a World Land Speed Record is easily attained....     Did I say easily...    Maybe it should be an easy call after you set one...
Sam Welcome to LSR, sounds like you have a firm grasp of the situation

[Malcolm UK]

Response to Dave Dahlgren

Having been at dinner last weekend with Andy Green and Richard Noble (alomg with 56 other record holders or enthusiasts) I can confirm that the Thruist SSC team consider they made two too many runs during the '97 campaign.

The record fell on October 15th, but both owner and driver would have preferred it if they had achieved the record on the 13th (a day when chute failure caused the over run in distance and more than 60 minutes elapsed between runs) when two supersonic runs had been achieved.

The SSC team did not contrive to get their record to coincide with the first in flight supersonic speed.

Malcolm

[Malcolm UK]

Whilst the bike world seems to be getting an "International" act together with the AMA/BUB and to some extent SCTA through their classes.  You still have to convince me Sam that the method of operation gives parity between sanctioning bodies.  [For national records in the UK racers should remember we only have two mile runways such as Woodbridge and Elvington]. 

With the four wheeled world I cannot see the FIA ever running separate body classifications for such vehicles as Comp Coupe or Roadster.  Even getting the capacity classes for internal combustion engines the same, seems to be a distant hope.  And as with the 'bikes the operating conditions remain to be dealt with - and whilst Speedweek, World of Speed and World Finals remain so popular there is little chance of the USA reverting to two way runs, except for the very few.  Hence there are 'more' private events by UK and US racers under FIA on the salt each year.

Malcolm

 

[willieworld]

i looked up the FIM record for 1000cc sidecar for the mile with a standing start it is 133.980 km/h  so i converted my gas run from last saturday of 132.280 to kilometers its 212.970 km/h -hmmmmmmmm i like this kilometer thing 212 it didnt really feel that fast      willie buchta

[Sam Green]

Whilst the bike world seems to be getting an "International" act together with the AMA/BUB and to some extent SCTA through their classes.  You still have to convince me Sam that the method of operation gives parity between sanctioning bodies.  [For national records in the UK racers should remember we only have two mile runways such as Woodbridge and Elvington]. 

With the four wheeled world I cannot see the FIA ever running separate body classifications for such vehicles as Comp Coupe or Roadster.  Even getting the capacity classes for internal combustion engines the same, seems to be a distant hope.  And as with the 'bikes the operating conditions remain to be dealt with - and whilst Speedweek, World of Speed and World Finals remain so popular there is little chance of the USA reverting to two way runs, except for the very few.  Hence there are 'more' private events by UK and US racers under FIA on the salt each year.

Malcolm

 

Hi Malcolm, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say there, are you saying that the diferent organizations that run speed events in the States and claiming National record status, are not all timed in the same way as FIM sanctioned events?

Sam.

[tortoise]

You will find most of the racers don't give a damn about FIA records. Ask any of them.

Unfortunately, I can't ask Nolan White.

[kip305]

If your world encompasses all venues, than a record must be sanctioned by the world body to be a world record.  If your record is at El Mirage and that is your world, than that should be your world record.  The only way to have a world record is to run in a vaccumm 
Louie

[Stainless1]

i looked up the FIM record for 1000cc sidecar for the mile with a standing start it is 133.980 km/h  so i converted my gas run from last saturday of 132.280 to kilometers its 212.970 km/h -hmmmmmmmm i like this kilometer thing 212 it didnt really feel that fast      willie buchta

Willie, welcome to the 200 KPH Club ....  now ya gotta try to get in the 3 chapter... 

[Sam Green]

Sam seems to be a pretty smart feller... 
Most of us see it that way.  FIA and FIM don't have classes for everything that runs a Bonneville, so a World Land Speed Record is easily attained....     Did I say easily...    Maybe it should be an easy call after you set one...
Sam Welcome to LSR, sounds like you have a firm grasp of the situation

Thanks for the kind words Stainless, Willie is over the moon with his new world sidecar record, an improvement of 78.990km/h   I wonder which rotten person will spoil his new found fame and tell him that the 133.980km/h is only the average speed I can be rotten at times sorry Willie

Sam.