Goodyear Tires

[bharmon77]

I see that practicaly all cars at Bonneville are running Goodyear rear tires that appear to be the same tread pattern and size range as the drag racing "Front Runner" tires. Are all tires at Bonneville the Goodyear LSR tires or are many of them the drag race "Front Runners"? What Goodyear tire dealer knows LSR tires?

Bruce Harmon
Still chiseling away in Ohio.

[Sumner]

I see that practicaly all cars at Bonneville are running Goodyear rear tires that appear to be the same tread pattern and size range as the drag racing "Front Runner" tires. Are all tires at Bonneville the Goodyear LSR tires or are many of them the drag race "Front Runners"? What Goodyear tire dealer knows LSR tires?

Bruce Harmon
Still chiseling away in Ohio.

The way I understand it they are made in the same mold, but the Land Speed tires have more plies (maybe just on the sidewall).  I'm using the land speed in the back and the front runners in the front.  There is a slight difference in diameter between them.

You can find a link to the Goodyear's and see the difference on the following page along with where I bought mine:

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bvillecarpage-parts-used.html

c ya,

Sum

[Dynoroom]

If you didn't already know Goodyear does make a lsr tire using the drag frontrunner molds. They are speed rated to 300 mph at the given loads that can be found on the Goodyear web site. Some of the folks use the front runner drag tire at el mirage then switch to the lsr tire at Bonneville. The choice is up to you as it depends on the speed and weight of your vehicle. I'm not aware of what tires they use at the other venues like Maxton.

Carroll Shelby Enterprises in Las Vegas will have the tires if Goodyear has them avaliable at the time you call.

[desotoman]

Are all tires at Bonneville the Goodyear LSR tires or are many of them the drag race "Front Runners"?

Bruce Harmon
Still chiseling away in Ohio.

Both run at Bonneville. Just depends on car speed and weight.

Tom G.

[bharmon77]

Thank you for the help! The Goodyear web site shows both drag race and LSR tires under the heading for the Front Runner tires. This matches what Sum said. They have a speed rating on the site for the LSR tires but not for the drag race tire, the speed rating of a drag tire used for LSR would have to consider the sustained speed of a long course? Maybe someone at Carrol Shelby could shed some light on the drag tire used for LSR? Or maybe I could just ask some racers that have used them. I would hate to show up at Bonneville and not pass tech because I had Drag racing front runners on the car!
Thank you again for the help!

BHarmon

[836dstr]

As Sum was saying, the difference is in the sidewall, 2 vs 6 ply I believe. During Tech @ El Mirage in November the Inspector notices some separation in the rear Goodyear Eagles and should be replaced before next year and mentiones they were inexpensive. I mentioned that they were the LSR tires ($300 each) and he said "hey, no problem".

You get what you pay for. Got mine from Carrol Shelby in LA.

Tom

[Sumner]

.................... I mentioned that they were the LSR tires ($300 each) and he said "hey, no problem"..............Tom

Tom I think you will find that they are over $400 now  ,

Sum

[Dr Goggles]

.................... I mentioned that they were the LSR tires ($300 each) and he said "hey, no problem"..............Tom

Tom I think you will find that they are over $400 now  ,

Sum

you guys don't know hardship..... ...in your money we paid $1275 for our pair of 28" Goodbeer landspeeds........We've got Frontrunners on the other end......they were less than a third of the cost ,  hope they're at least a third as good.

[bharmon77]

Help me out guy's, I am not trying to cheap out where saftey is concerned but if you can run drag racing front runners on the front succesfully then why not on the rear of the same car? Or maybe the answer to my own question is; if the car is heavy enough and fast enough then you would use LSR tires front and rear??

BHarmon

[Dynoroom]

You get what you pay for. Got mine from Carrol Shelby in LA.
Tom

They moved to Las Vegas.

Help me out guy's, I am not trying to cheap out where saftey is concerned but if you can run drag racing front runners on the front succesfully then why not on the rear of the same car? Or maybe the answer to my own question is; if the car is heavy enough and fast enough then you would use LSR tires front and rear??

BHarmon

Help us help you. What type of car, speed, weight, and race venue?
If the car weighs over 2800 lbs & was running at the salt I'd have lsr tires. Your milage may vary.

[Sumner]

Help me out guy's, I am not trying to cheap out where safety is concerned but if you can run drag racing front runners on the front successfully then why not on the rear of the same car? Or maybe the answer to my own question is; if the car is heavy enough and fast enough then you would use LSR tires front and rear??

BHarmon

Unless your car is front-wheel drive the rears do more than just carry the weight down the salt,

Sum

[Bob Drury]

As Dyno stated, what kind of a car and how much it weighs means a lot.  A typical sedan in race trim will run aproximately 3500 to 4500 lbs.  You DO NOT want to go sidways with a car weighing two tons on two ply tires.  What is your investment worth to you?  What about the drivers safety.  Land Speed Racing is a safe venue...if you use your head.  Safety gear (of which I include tires) is the most important thing you will spend your money on.  Don't F..k around, buy the best to start with.  It makes no sense to buy a SFI  5 or 10 firesuit if you think you might eventually need a 20, and likewise, why not buy the best (hence safest) tires from the get go?  I ran the 2 ply tires on my 4300 lb. car with no problem, but that was because of my own ignorance and the fact that I never spun. That brings up another point.  No car should be run on the salt without a panhard bar rear suspension.  NO chassis manufacturer recomends running a diagonal link on ANY SURFACE other than a drag strip.  Heim joints are not made to withstand side stresses such as placed on them by a spin.  Building a safe race car does not mean simply bolting on "race car parts".  Research what you are using and what it was manufactured to do. Bob 

[thundersalt]

All so true! We learned this the hard way.
Sincerly,
Lucky and still learning.

As Dyno stated, what kind of a car and how much it weighs means a lot.  A typical sedan in race trim will run aproximately 3500 to 4500 lbs.  You DO NOT want to go sidways with a car weighing two tons on two ply tires.  What is your investment worth to you?  What about the drivers safety.  Land Speed Racing is a safe venue...if you use your head.  Safety gear (of which I include tires) is the most important thing you will spend your money on.  Don't F..k around, buy the best to start with.  It makes no sense to buy a SFI  5 or 10 firesuit if you think you might eventually need a 20, and likewise, why not buy the best (hence safest) tires from the get go?  I ran the 2 ply tires on my 4300 lb. car with no problem, but that was because of my own ignorance and the fact that I never spun. That brings up another point.  No car should be run on the salt without a panhard bar rear suspension.  NO chassis manufacturer recomends running a diagonal link on ANY SURFACE other than a drag strip.  Heim joints are not made to withstand side stresses such as placed on them by a spin.  Building a safe race car does not mean simply bolting on "race car parts".  Research what you are using and what it was manufactured to do. Bob 

[SPARKY]

This forum is invaluable because it brings people of countless backgrounds together---a lot of times when one has problems---it may be the inocent question that trips someones recall---OH 25 years ago we had or one of my buddies had "thisorthat and this was done to correct the problem---we ALL are reinventing the wheel or exploring new territoris with our cars, at least from time to time as we put more power and or speed in our cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  with new cars and low time experience--one tends to have more "adventure"

[fastesthonda_jim]

Just an FYI about Goodyear tires.  Here's what the construction looks like on a brand new one.  Okay not totally new... it had about 4.78 miles on it when it got cut in half (the round way) by an overly enthusiastic (i.e., too close) body part. 

I cut it in half the cross way to see what goes on inside.

Now you can too.

Merry Christmas all.  May your Speedweeks be white.

Jim