Mike Charlton 500 mph motorcycle next year?

[MattS]

ps.... the car/bike wont be legal!

I'll have to agree with Kent. If it is a thrust powered bike, it won't run at an SCTA event, because it must be wheel driven. As for the bike with the big drag tire in the rear, nope, that won't pass tech with that tire  either. Like it was said, BUB is an option. Or private time.



Matt

[529]

ps.... the car/bike wont be legal!

I'll have to agree with Kent. If it is a thrust powered bike, it won't run at an SCTA event, because it must be wheel driven. As for the bike with the big drag tire in the rear, nope, that won't pass tech with that tire  either. Like it was said, BUB is an option. Or private time.

Matt

The jet car could never run SCTA because of the engine, but at least the V8 powered bike could be modified "fairly easily" to fit within the bike rules. Like I said, Tom's head would 'asplode trying to make it pass all the SCTA rules but it could be done...

[Sumner]

....................., but at least the V8 powered bike could be modified "fairly easily" to fit within the bike rules...

Not really, as far as I understand there has to be a bike motor in it.  I posted the link to the previous discussion since that thread was from the owner and would give a lot more insight into what he was planning.

c ya,

Sum

[529]

....................., but at least the V8 powered bike could be modified "fairly easily" to fit within the bike rules...

Not really, as far as I understand there has to be a bike motor in it.  I posted the link to the previous discussion since that thread was from the owner and would give a lot more insight into what he was planning.

c ya,

Sum

Yep, you are right. I knew automotive V8 engines are allowed in the unlimited engine class but I didn't realize that Unlimited engine class was only allowed in liners. Running it there introduces all the other build criteria for a closed car which it cant (obviously) meet.

[UltraCarbonFiber]

because people bragging about how fast their theoretical vehicle will go, are annoying to those that know.... how bout you, ever been to a lsr event?
kent

I just read what you read, who says the rider/builder claimed any speed anyway?  Writers can write anything they want as seen in media everyday.  Yah I get the idea of being annoyed at claims.  If the bike was theoretical I wouldn't be looking at pics of it.

The last comment was quite revealing.  How many events do I have to attend to post my thoughts on a topic?  No need to resort to questioning my credibility to shut me up.  I've driven at speed on the salt once in my life and never over 140 mph and I've attended speedweek once last year.  Prior to that I've just had interest in the salt in print.  I'm no expert in lsr but that's why I'm here, to learn all I can before building a car or bike. It's interesting there is a post close to this one about bringing new blood into lsr.  I don't think the tone of this reply and I few others really display the welcoming attitude I've experienced at my "one" lsr event.     

[willieworld]

unless i read the rule book wrong --in the motorcycle streamliner in ug and uf you can run any engine that uses the otto cycle  7.j.12  07 rules   thanks  willie buchta

[1212FBGS]

no car motors in any motorcycle classes....
kent

[willieworld]

ok explain this---pape 117  7.j.12 CLASS UG and UF:any reciprocating engine which uses the otto cycle may run in Streamliner category only.Supercharged engines do not advance class size 


Ot·to cy·cle [ óttō sk'l ] (plural Ot·to cy·cles)


noun 
 
Definition:
 
thermodynamic process: a thermodynamic process for the conversion of heat into work, e.g. the sequential suction, compression, ignition, and expulsion in a four-stroke engine
         willie buchta

[Dean Los Angeles]

I just read what you read, who says the rider/builder claimed any speed anyway?  Writers can write anything they want as seen in media everyday.  Yah I get the idea of being annoyed at claims.  If the bike was theoretical I wouldn't be looking at pics of it.

There are several news articles out there quoting the 500 figure. They had to get it somewhere. For a guy that has barely been over 200 to claim an attempt at 500 is outrageous. No other term will do.

To go 500 is an extraordinary feat of engineering in anything. To do it in a wheeled vehicle is unbelievably difficult. There are LSR racers posting here with 20, 30, 40+years of experience that know what it would take to go 500 mph.

And this effort isn't it. I salute the effort, but 300 would be a valiant effort. Anything past that is out of reach. Feel free to prove us wrong, but it's going to take real timing slips to do that, not talk.

[JackD]

Their is a DOT registered , street legal MC in production that has sold to the general public in excess of 500 units that uses a SBC now.
Just because you don't have one doesn't make something else.

OBTW: Their have been thrust driven 2 wheelers on he salt before.
The jet with Art Arfons crashed and the rocket with Richard Brown failed to achieve their projections after testing the solid wheels and going back to conventional LSR tires..

As for theoretical, it remains just that until it works as projected.

[crusher]

Hi everyone.MY name is Mike Charlton.Iam the guy who along with a friend of mind Roger Kilian are building the jet powered bike.We are building this bike in the garage behind my house.We have made every part on the bike are selves.The only part we did not make was the jet engine.we also built the chevy bike and jet truck.Its been a dream of mind to set a land speed record since i was a kid.So that is what we are trying to do.I have read every book on bville.and was out there in 1995.My knowledge of bville is probally limited compared to some of the people on this site.I check out this site sometimes to get info off  it  and the people on have  it been very helpful.Work has been progressing on the bike the body is nintey percent done. we will start on the wheels next.Tim arfons has been helping us in the jet engine department.Know you can probally question myself and rogers ability but i am sure you would agree his knowledge of jet engines is pretty well known.I actally met art one time It was the thrill of a life time for me.The article that was posted was a story  they did on are exhibition racing we do at drag strips and circlr tracks.We hope to display the bike at the cleveland autorama in march.We will see what happens.We plan on setting the record trust me when I tell you we know it wont be easy. If it was everyone would do it.Wheater we achieve it or not only time will tell. but no matter what are place will not be with the cold and timid souls that knew neither victory nor defeat.  talk to you later.
          Ps
 I will post pictures when I get a chance.

[529]

Hey Mike,

Have you ever considered bringing out the v8 powered bike? That would be one hell of a ride!

[UltraCarbonFiber]

Oh I get it and I agree if this guy came right out and said "I expect 500 mph" then my opinion changes quite a bit.  I'm just questioning the premise of the story as written.  The fact that several sources say the same thing doesn't mean much because often news stories are based on other news stories.  In an interview with a news reporter or writer facts are often taken out of context or hyped. It's funny the lady that wrote the story called Bonneville "the Utah Salt Flats" LOL  That doesn't exactly inspire credibility to me.  If she doesn't take the time to find out the actual name of the venue he's going to go 500 mph then I question the number itself as the project goal.  I know it's a huge number so for anyone without serious lsr credentials to claim they are going to hit that number I question the source of the story first.  I would love it if the builder could post up here to tell us all the project goals that way there is no questioning and he can defend that number if that he's trying to reach.  To defend someone elses project goals certainly isn't my place.  

Edit, wow as I typed this reply the man himself has posted.  Good to hear it straight from him. 

[Sumner]

Their is a DOT registered , street legal MC in production that has sold to the general public in excess of 500 units that uses a SBC now..............

Boss Hog, but was the motor made to use in a motorcycle or did a motorcycle manufacture decide to use a motor made for a car.  I wonder if that makes a difference.

c ya,

Sum

[dwarner]

A FIM record requires that the engine used must be based on a motorcycle and for motorcycle use exclusivly. The Bub engine was designed specificaly for that bike and used only by that bike(or something like that).

The SCTA does not allow the use of non-cross ventilated wheels. Kinda stops their use at a SCTA meet.

The other thread ran on to ten pages, some useful info and suggestions and of course, some blather.

DW