FIA Class Breaks

[landracing]

LSA dissolved a long time ago. I have a bunch of the meeting minutes for the LSA meetings.

What about the guys who paid the extra money for the LSA sanction set records, where are the records now???

Maybe Jack Dolan can elaborate on it...

Jon

[JackD]

The last publication of the LSA records was in the SCTA rule book.
The records program died with Bruce Johnson and SCTA withdrew.

[KEVIN]

HEY D-TYPE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF THEY (FIA) ARE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED. IF THEY DON'T HAVE CLASSES TO RUN EXCEPT STREAMLINERS AND DIESELS, THEY ARE NOT MUCH USE TO 80% OF THE LAND SPEED RACERS.

[JackD]

Al Holbert, Don Stringfellow, and Myself all set FIA records with production cars.
There are more USAC sprint cars at many events than streamliners on the planet.
Go figure ?

[Malcolm UK]

Kevin

Your reply to D type should have stated "80% of AMERICAN land speed racers".

The way in which National race organisers break down vehicle types is up to them - and only the USA & Australia have currently got classes for various body types under the SCTA rules.  But nowhere does the FIA prevent a speed record racer from attacking an International class record.

If you are fast enough the FIA will sanction a speed record attempt by any type of safe vehicle at any location in the world.  As JackD points out even USA built SUVs/trucks have held (or do hold) FIA speed records.

The argument will continue as to whether a 'World Land Speed Record' should only be acknowledged as such if it has been be set by any racer, in any safe vehicle, to a standard set of operating rules, at any track location, in any country of the world.

Of the differences between SCTA/BNI and FIA I feel it remains the operating rules that have become the greater stumbling block - two way runs, over the same mile piece of land, completed in 60 minutes, with no assistance -  is how racers have striven (& some perished) to be acknowledged as the best in the World.

[D-Type]

Kevin,

We're talking oil and water here.

The FIA are concerned with who can set the fastest time in the world in a car of a certain engine size and type over a particular distance.

The US National LSR scene is concerned with who can set the fastest time over a one-way measured mile (I think) in various classes of car that reflect the history of the speed scene in the US of A.  

Neither is superior, merely different.  Sometimes the two coincide.

[bak189]

If you want to go for a " real" World Record (not a CLUB record as with SCTA/BNI) you have to race at a FIA and/or FIM sanctioned event.
The coming BUB event WILL have
AMA/FIM sanction for motorcycles
Thanks to Denis Manning and "FIM
Charly" (last years FIM steward)
the FIM Rules have been updated to reflect the new century.

[joea]

yep.........
AND NEARLY EVEYONE WHO RUNS WILL SET A "WORLD RECORD"..........

THEY ADOPTED ALL NEW RULES...........COPIED FROM GUESS
WHO?..........SCTA............

AND SO NEARLY ALL "OPEN" RECORDS...............

[JackD]

The 3 fastest records with AMA are not listed.
And except for the errors and omissions the SCTA stuff came from AMA.
The small tank rule and explanation for class A is a jewel.

[bak189]

The new FIM rules are somewhat like the SCTA motorcycle rules...the SCTA rules, came from the AMA back in the 1960's and 1970's. ( that I helped write, and that Earl Flanders from the AMA implemented until 1978.)  It all comes around!!!  If you live long enough you will see it all again...right Jack D!!!!!!

[JackD]

Just when we think we have taken 2 steps forward, we find that somebody wants to reinvent the wheel.
It is not real smooth.
You might start by getting the passnger restored to the AMA side car. There was never an insurance requirement they be removed bur rather the wishes of 1 person withthe horsepower. They deteriorated into a bike with a tag wheel and not the real side car that mixes it up on every road race track in the world.
The grandma in the enclosed hack could never survived an upset reguardless of the safety provisions built into the rule. That was the exanple used to eliminate the monkey.
I think that the ability to drive one should be just 1 of the minimum requirements to ride.

[bak189]

Just want to wish the best of salt and luck to all M/C people running the up comming BNI event.  This will be one of the few years for me that I will not attend the event.
I will be going to Sturgis to help out my long time sponser Barnett Tool and Eng. However, I do plan to run my equipment at the BUB races in Sept.  Best of luck to all