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Offline Nortonist 592

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Re: Why....Oh......Why
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 12:23:23 AM »
Many years ago my Dad told me "If you don't try you can't fail.  Equally you can't succeed." 
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 12:28:56 AM »
Speed Limit, you have a good point..........what say you, OH, "great Scott"
Having known Scott for over 30 years......I think he is serious about the no pics..........what say you, Oh
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 12:34:38 AM »
Old saying... He taught me every thing I know , but not every thing he knows... :-(
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2007, 12:53:53 AM »
If the DLRA speed week was not canceled I could tell you how my home made 180 deg fender handled ,as well as the rest of the body work ,but as it stands you will get to try your creations out first , but regardless I will still be trying mine out

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 01:05:15 AM »
jack...perfect description of a land speed racer.
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Re: Why....Oh......Why
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2007, 01:38:43 AM »
Some of us have nine lives.  We just haven't figured out which one we're on.
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 10:07:46 AM »
I don't know. seems just about everyone is helpful to my beginners questions here. most everyone will help you get going but racing is about getting an edge on the other guy so i wouldn't expect someone to give away his "edge". try asking a drag racer in your bracket what his setup for a certain track is. after he tells you do just the opposite and you should be in the ballpark.
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Re: Why....Oh......Why
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2007, 02:44:19 AM »
study these pix really really good.....

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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2007, 05:11:24 AM »
Well that goes to show ya or shows to go ya doesn't it ?  :wink:
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2007, 09:57:56 PM »
Looking at the photos is interesting indeed.  I'm assuming the different colors represent different pressures.  Care enlighten those in the dark?  The tire photos ring a bell with Jack D's "tire wipe".
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2007, 11:08:01 PM »
  The tire photos ring a bell with Jack D's "tire wipe".
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Any power going to a pump that doesn't get you down the road faster is a loser.
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2007, 02:52:22 AM »
I've raced motorcycles on hillclimbs, roadrace and a lot of dirt track for over thirty years.  Simple rules work.  Aero is a hugely complex issue and you really need to experience the course in all its glory before you start worrying about streamlining the front wheel.  I would just strip it clean. No brakes or protrusions with plenty of cross flow.  Make a dozen runs and see how fast you are.  Hopefully by the end of the week you won't have used up your motor and you can try adding stuff.  Be slow to change as the ambulance runs really hold up the running.  Aaron Wilson goes damn fast with his setup and there isn't a nicer guy around.  Plenty of pictures of his bike at NRHSperforamnce web site. 

To go fast first you have to find out where you're at, find someone faster to observe and ask questions.  Lots of helpful people around here.  Bad advice on a LSR motorcycle can get you killed and no one here wants that.  Last point, the records seem like the whole point but the best part is the people and the runs down the salt.  Enjoy the running, records will come.
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2007, 06:11:24 AM »
Mad Duck is a purty smart cookie and if he can apply that type of attitude and study to going fast on the Salt, only time remains.  :-)
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Offline Dean Los Angeles

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Re: Why....Oh......Why
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2007, 11:55:02 AM »
Curiosity killed the cat.

Satisfaction bought him back.

There are lots of thought about front fender aero.

The picture of the stationary wheel vs the rotating wheel shows the disruption to the air flow. Ok, the air flow is better with a front fender. But that doesn't answer what the increased drag from the rotation of the wheel inside the fender causes. Without factoring in the rotational drag, the aero drag is an incomplete answer. Do we make the fender zero clearance? Big clearance?
Well, it used to be Los Angeles . . . 50 miles north of Fresno now.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2007, 12:11:36 PM »
WWJD
Pumping is the loss inside the fender and the tire requires clearance to expand when underway.
What now? :wink:
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