Approved gasoline in a 2 smoke?

[Carl Johansson]

So If i run for a record I have to use the official supplied gas -  correct?  and they seal your tank right?  So how do i deal with oil for the 2 stroke?  Does the oil also come from the supplier?  do i bring it in a factory sealed container?  I have a premix bike (no autooil).

Carl Johansson

[wolbrink471]

Hey Carl the rules say something about adding the pre-mix in front of the 'gas guy' and then they seal your tank.

but nothing about what kind of two stroke oil...good ?

Mark

[Seldom Seen Slim]

I'll take a shot in the dark here, Carl -- and sorta borrow from the water injection thread going on over there. . .

I don't remember for sure if you have to get your oil tank filled and sealed by Rick Gold (or Les, or whomever is working just then) at the ERC trailer, so I can't comment there.  But I'd expect that if you brought your own oil -- you'd need to have a sealed bottle of oil (from the mfr.), open it while Rick is watching, and then either have him reseal it -- or plan on breaking open another next time you visit the fuel truck.

I'll ask Mark Amrhein what he had to do with his Cagiva 125 when he's been there, and I'll let you know if he's got the answer.

PS  The water injection story seems to be that you need to show up with an empty water tank and  sealed bottle of water, have the fuel truck guy watch you and then seal the tank, and if there's any water left -- you must drink it right then and there.  If you get all goofy -- he'll know that you were trying to cheat.

I don't know how he'd tell, in some cases, who's goofy 'cause of the drink, who's goofy 'cause it's natural.  Me, for instance.  good thing I drive a four-stroke.

[Carl Johansson]

Hey Slim,
You don't answer your e-mail anymore eh? I'm thinking i'll just have a sealed container of oil -  and have the gas guy watch.  On the water injection -  how in the heck can you expect anyone to drink pure water -  yuck -  the only way it's palatable is with all of the high octane additives.  Do ya think caffeine would have the same effect on a bike motor as it has on human motors?

Carl

I'll take a shot in the dark here, Carl -- and sorta borrow from the water injection thread going on over there. . .

I don't remember for sure if you have to get your oil tank filled and sealed by Rick Gold (or Les, or whomever is working just then) at the ERC trailer, so I can't comment there.  But I'd expect that if you brought your own oil -- you'd need to have a sealed bottle of oil (from the mfr.), open it while Rick is watching, and then either have him reseal it -- or plan on breaking open another next time you visit the fuel truck.

I'll ask Mark Amrhein what he had to do with his Cagiva 125 when he's been there, and I'll let you know if he's got the answer.

PS  The water injection story seems to be that you need to show up with an empty water tank and  sealed bottle of water, have the fuel truck guy watch you and then seal the tank, and if there's any water left -- you must drink it right then and there.  If you get all goofy -- he'll know that you were trying to cheat.

I don't know how he'd tell, in some cases, who's goofy 'cause of the drink, who's goofy 'cause it's natural.  Me, for instance.  good thing I drive a four-stroke.

[JackD]

Simply stated, you have to ask yourself and read the book to tell that anything you put through the motor in a gas class is required to go through the same procedure.
TRY IT

[Seldom Seen Slim]

I was just going to answer your questions -- but now that you've teased me in public -- I'll wait 'til tomorrow for that.  Gotta go get the cat from the vet -- we had the kitty get a shave today, and the vet closes in a half-hour.

As for the sealed container of oil -- either you'll want to use 100% of the contents of that sealed container -- or have him re-seal it for later use, or open yet another brand new jug of oil when you're at the fuel truck again.

As for pure water -- Carl, you oughta know by now that I don't drink that high-octane stuff any more - water works just fine.  Maybe some Powerade powder, maybe a little ice.  That's enough.  Caffeine -- well, coffee's okay.

[Carl Johansson]

really?  is that true?  So you have to buy your nitrous from the guy at the fuel truck?  does he stock approved 2 stroke oil?
Carl Johansson

Simply stated, you have to ask yourself and read the book to tell that anything you put through the motor in a gas class is required to go through the same procedure.
TRY IT

[JackD]

Further reading will tell  you that NOS is only allowed in a fuel class and you have to pay the tech guy a corking charge if you don't buy it from him.
Medical grade without the sulphur is available from one of the MC tech guys.
Or so I am advised.

[Dean Los Angeles]

we had the kitty get a shave today

REAL Bonneville racers shave their own cat. You can just say the scars are from racing.

[Speed Limit 1000]

we had the kitty get a shave today

REAL Bonneville racers shave their own cat. You can just say the scars are from racing.

Some topics you just have to learn to stay away from.

[JGMagoo]

Years and years ago (maybe 50 - ?) one of the motorcycle magazines did a comparison test where they put a 2-stroke bike engine on a dyno and tried all different brands of oil to see which made the most horsepower.

There was the usual controversy because one brand definitely made considerably more horsepower than all the rest. (Wracking my brain I can't remember the name of that brand!)

I believe in the end they discovered nitro or something in that particular brand of oil!  Possibly put in as a 'ringer' for the test or maybe it was 'standard formula for that brand, I don't know. But it was a hot topic of conversation among the dirt bike racers and go-karters at the time.

JGMagoo

[Harold Bettes]

As I recall the stuff was called Klotz. I think that it was castor oil and their own magic additives.

Regards to All,
HB2

[Dean Los Angeles]

I asked Tom Evans about El Mirage procedures and he said to bring a gas sample without oil and with oil and he would test it before hand and note the difference with and without the oil.

[ol38y]

The Klotz I ran back in the 70's was synthetic I'm pretty sure. As I remember it was the first of it's kind back then but it was not castor based. The bike ran good but after 6 desert races I had to put crank bearings in it so I wasn't very pleased..

[Speed Limit 1000]

The Klotz I ran back in the 70's was synthetic I'm pretty sure. As I remember it was the first of it's kind back then but it was not castor based. The bike ran good but after 6 desert races I had to put crank bearings in it so I wasn't very pleased..

If it lasted 6 Bonneville events that would be a long time. We just hope our motors make it most of the week.