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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2006, 02:04:55 PM »
Here's a picture of the Goldenrods bottom, the record setting air scoops, & the finished car before it was sent to the Ford Museum. Note the scoops used in on the finished car are the ones used in most photos.
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2006, 02:25:45 PM »
Nice job, Michael.

The scoop on the finished liner was original for the record designed, but not used. Another run after the record showed the real potential of the original scoop.
The other scoop, from the Chrysler engineering was real airbrakes.
By the way, when they used this Chrysler scoop during the record run, the scoop was white painted.
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2006, 03:03:21 PM »
Here's a picture of the Goldenrods bottom, the record setting air scoops, & the finished car before it was sent to the Ford Museum. Note the scoops used in on the finished car are the ones used in most photos.

Thanks for the pictures Mike.  I was just reading Hot Rod this morning and saw the picture of the liner in the museum finished.  Very nice.  I see were they are also going to have a more in depth article in the future.

In the middle picture the scoop that is shown has a horizontal splitter in the middle of it.  Was that to divert air to two separate engines (2 scoops/4 engines)???

Guys I'm a little confused as to which scoops were actually used for the record at this point.  I assume they are the ones in.....

     

....... Mike's middle picture (above) and......

     

......... not the bottom picture (shown above)??  I messed with this picture a little trying to look inside the scoop and there appears to me to maybe be a vertical splitter used on this scoop configuration??



Were the cutouts in the body for the scoops in this picture meant to work with either of the ones above or did they just materialize???  They don't seem to fit the base of the scoop with the horizontal splitter in the first picture above.

How long was this car anyway???

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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2006, 04:04:41 PM »
Here's a picture of the Goldenrods bottom, the record setting air scoops, & the finished car before it was sent to the Ford Museum. Note the scoops used in on the finished car are the ones used in most photos.



Were the cutouts in the body for the scoops in this picture meant to work with either of the ones above or did they just materialize???  They don't seem to fit the base of the scoop with the horizontal splitter in the first picture above.

c ya,

Sum


Sum,
   I believe this picture is the bottom of the cars body.
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2006, 04:11:02 PM »
Sum,

the big scoop, which was original white, not gold painted, was the one which was on the streamliner when he set the record. The middle wall was to make the scoop stronger and also to get the air more controlled to the engine. Had nothing to do with two engines.

The original scoop you can see on the complete car, aerodynamicly right, was use by the 425 mph run.

The other picture shows one of the under panel with the wheel cut outs. so it looks it was the rear wheels.

What surprised me, is the big Chrysler scoop - in gold, also the original Chrysler scoops was sold some years ago at ebay :|
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2006, 04:21:21 PM »
Sum, your looking at the bottom as Tom says, the tires stick through the holes.
I'll try to post some more shots of it's construction.
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2006, 04:24:20 PM »
A few more...
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2006, 04:29:29 PM »
Some shot before restoration... or salvation...


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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2006, 04:45:43 PM »
Really a nice work you done with restauration.

What I can't believe to today, how easy Bob went into this car. I always got a hard time when I climbed in and I'm 4 inch smaller than Bob - after the fifth time I thought now I know it how to go in and the next time again it was hard to get my head under the rollbar, Bob done it with the helmet on :|
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2006, 05:32:51 PM »
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2006, 05:37:48 PM »
Comming to the end...
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2006, 05:49:18 PM »
Enjoy...
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2006, 05:57:48 PM »
This is a shot of the one transfer case before being reworked. The car is a true treasure and a testament to the LSR racer who can not be told "it can't be done". 
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2006, 08:03:13 PM »
Mike,
    Thanks for the pictures.  :-) That was a real treat.
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Re: Round bottom versus flat bottom aero
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2006, 08:48:42 PM »
Wow!

Sure makes my V4F dreams look really small.   :-D

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