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Offline fissionspeed

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Two Shakes the S10
« on: October 20, 2021, 05:57:51 PM »
Hi everyone.

After years of fantasizing about it, I've decided to take the plunge. Saw this '98 S-10 for $500 on fb marketplace and said "today's the day."

I've done a lot of odds and ends on my various projects and a couple engine swaps but nothing this big. I'm looking forward to learning a lot on this journey!

Ultimate goal is to make it to the salt, pass tech, and run in ?/MMP. Then if that works out, go really fast in ?/MMP. No idea on engine yet, LS platform is my comfort zone but I think a 2JZ would be a lot of fun.

Looking forward to bothering you all with dumb questions  :cheers:
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Offline Gary Perkinson

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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2021, 05:27:23 PM »
Hey...congrats on the S10! Oddly enough, I've also been looking at S10s as potential salt candidates, probably because of their "less-car-to-deal-with" appeal as a platform, although of course there's ALWAYS a lot more to deal with regardless of the car and class you choose. In any case, great idea to get the extended cab--it'll make getting a full-containment seat, cage and fire stuff in there at least a little easier.

Does that have the 2.2 motor or the V6? If it's the latter, you might consider rebuilding that instead of swapping it out for a bigger engine that'll be a PITA to squeeze into the little S10 engine bay (although race-only makes that task easier). Boosted and built, the 4.6 V6 can probably make upward of 400 hp...

Where are you located?
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2021, 10:56:42 PM »
Gary - currently located in Norco CA. I honestly didn't even look at the motor. It was listed as "needs a head gasket" which I took to mean "it needed a head gasket a few thousand miles ago" and pretty much banked on free-throwing it into the dumpster. But I'll check it out, if it's not wasted it'd be nice to have something that will let it putt around while I figure out frame and suspension stuff.

No kidding on "lot more to deal with!" I got a rulebook on a whim a year ago after re-watching the Bonneville episode of Roadkill. Now several books and many, many hours of reading later, the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper  :laugh:
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2021, 11:43:20 PM »
It sure does, although I'm one of the (probably many) weirdos who actually likes browsing through the rulebook...maybe it's the pictures...  :-D  In any case, good luck with the build, and when you have questions, this is the place to go--there are loads of people on here with infinitely more LSR knowledge than I'll ever have, and they're all willing to help...  :cheers:
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2021, 12:29:04 PM »
Quote from: fissionspeed on October 24, 2021, 10:56:42 PM
No kidding on "lot more to deal with!" I got a rulebook on a whim a year ago after re-watching the Bonneville episode of Roadkill. Now several books and many, many hours of reading later, the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper  :laugh:
There is no escape - you will be assimilated!  :? :cheers:
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2021, 01:42:43 PM »
Took a trip to El Mirage for the October meet and had a great time! Bumped elbows with some SCTA people and watched White Goose Bar Racing set a record in their very cool diesel minitruck. Everyone was very friendly, welcoming, and just a general great vibe in the air. Since El Mirage is only an hour away and there's a club in my area I think I'm going to go ahead and try to "get involved".  :-D
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Offline Stan Back

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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2021, 02:50:03 PM »
The Road Runners meet monthly in Riverside.  Give president Mike a call at the Ed Martin Garage.
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2021, 09:18:01 PM »
You've probably picked the easiest platform on the planet to install too much motor into.

But let me suggest that you're best approach to obtaining a RECORD might be going with a small bore 4.

EVERYBODY builds V8 Chevys - I think you'll find every record above 250 CI in the class will be an LS or an older Small Block. It's the Belly Button principal at work - BUT . . .

If you head into the smaller engine territory, nobody wants to build them, and generally there's less competition.

If driving really fast is your motivation, than go V8 - but if figuring out the slickest way to max out an orphaned engine appeals to your sense of adventure, the Olds Quad 4 awaits . . .
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2021, 10:31:44 PM »
Yep I'm with Chris...  almost... I'm thinking blown Japanese in your Chevy... 2JZ ?... or ?...
About anything but a LS.... lots of choices outside the box....
Spend a couple days drinking with your buds looking at the options :friday  cromag :cheers:
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2021, 01:14:54 PM »
I think y'all are right about the benefits of a smaller engine. Not just for the sake of getting a record, but also because the 200 club minimum for C/BFMMP is something like 240 whereas F/ is 210... Not sure about which would be easier to hit from an engine building standpoint but as far as my nerves are concerned I certainly like 210 better.

Also, 2JZ has undeniable cool factor  8-)
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2021, 02:18:26 PM »
There's a built for 1100 HP 2JZ on the site... for sale...

My guess is it takes about 200 HP to make one go 150ish... in a regular cab... maybe a bit better than a guess....
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Offline Stan Back

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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2021, 09:35:02 PM »
There's sometimes a lot of difference between going for a record and/or going for a 200 Club record with a minimum.  No minimums for records on the salt.  There are minimums at El Mirage because of the points system.

If you want a Bonneville record, there're dozens and dozens of motorcycle ones available with no minimum.
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2021, 10:17:07 PM »
Stan, everybody that races Bonneville wants to set a record... and the ones that think they might be able to go 200+ want to be in the 200MPH Club... I know I did...
There are lots of possibilities in blown... At this point... I have to say don't skimp on the intercooler.... the one we got 20 years ago was OK and usable... the new one from Bell put 20+ MPH on the runs... YMMV
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Offline Stan Back

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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2021, 12:27:44 PM »
I think it's good to tell again -- setting a record over 200 MPH at Bonneville will not always get you a red hat.  I broke that news a few years back to a well-known team as they thought going 248 would get the hat.  Nope -- there was a 290 minimum in their class.  As only an example, rational thinking leads to setting a minimum of say 240 for an "A" class record when the "B" record is 239.

(Also cuts down on a lot of rent-a-rides.)
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Re: The as-of-yet-unnamed S-10 Project
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2021, 12:32:39 PM »
Picking up on the smaller engine comments and given that my Lakester might eventually see salt with a 2 litre; what is wrong with the GMMP class (or is it just me that giggles reading that class as a word not an acronym?)

The GIMP could make 250 bhp (at sea level, not Bonneville I assume) via Honda S2000 motor and box, throttle bodies, fancy exhaust; 145 mph and change should see a record (but you will have to buy your own hat). I know a man in Irvine Ca. that specialises in them and does beautiful custom headers - buy two and hang one on the wall beautiful.

Or is like the tee shirt: Injection is nice but I'd rather be Turbocharged (or words to that effect).  :-D

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