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Offline Emil Shuffhausen

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Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« on: July 19, 2020, 02:53:02 PM »
I saw his name mentioned in a thread about scoops vs NACA ducts. Is it ?High Speed, Low Cost??

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2020, 03:40:00 PM »
Search at the Landracing forum for NACA ducts or scoops - that will keep you occupied!  :-o
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Offline Emil Shuffhausen

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2020, 04:08:26 PM »
That was a good article. I?ll do more reading. Thanks
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 04:16:57 PM by Emil Shuffhausen »
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »
Why does punctuation get changed into some other weird character? Is it only on my phone? It?s my only internet access at the moment.
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2020, 05:23:49 PM »
The book you probably need is "The Race and Rally Car Source Book" by Allan, published by Haynes.

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2020, 08:01:24 PM »
Punctuation?

Yep ? every time I post something.

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2020, 10:36:37 AM »
No Stan... it's a phone thing.... except in your case... Jon goes into your posts just to kcuf? with you
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2020, 11:06:07 AM »
But I can't nor want to post with my phone.  It would have to be in some code with only 10 digits on its dial.
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2020, 06:07:20 PM »
But I can't nor want to post with my phone.  It would have to be in some code with only 10 digits on its dial.
My dial phone won't do that either! Beam me up Scotty! aktion086
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 08:54:25 AM »
The most efficient place to take air from for an intake is the stagnation region (i.e. low velocity, high static pressure).

Naca ducts are typically placed in areas or high velocity and low static pressure. They can work, but are dependent on good attached surface flow and flow velocity (hence their use on aircraft that typically operate in limited reynolds regimes). On cars they are a bit more problematic because of the relatively slow flow speed (compared to an aircraft), poor boundary layer attachment and constantly changing speed. An ill placed naca on a car will cause the air to flow out of it rather than in.

Now a streamliner somewhat blurs the line between car and aircraft. In that case expect a more attached boundary layer than a regular car, obviously higher flow velocity and a limited use case. So for a streamliner I think you are well placed to use them, but identify your locations well otherwise they will reverse flow. I'd probably avoid them on a Roadster though.   

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2020, 01:21:15 AM »
I'm not an engineer, theoretical or otherwise... but I can tell you that a properly designed NACA submerged duct works well.  They require air moving over them... If you have one and it is easy to paint... it is not properly designed. 
If you want to see one that works... and has for 30 years...  come look at the one on Bockscar.
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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2020, 08:09:19 PM »
If you want to see one that works... and has for 30 years...  come look at the one on Bockscar.
Yup, yours is a good un. Do you get much issue with ingesting stuff off the front wheel?

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Re: Which Allan Staniforth book for air intake info?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2020, 11:31:21 AM »
clean a little less than a teaspoon of salt out of the filter every run....
When we had it instrumented in the early days we got about 1 psi in the box with the throttles wide open at 200
With the Motec I will be able to recheck that the next time I run NA
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