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Offline Ron Gibson

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2015, 03:14:15 PM »
I know they pump coal in water as a slurry, solids and liquid. I don't know why it can't be done with granular salt as in their mountains of salt instead of just brine. If they put it back on the flats, mother nature could level and move it around at her leisure. At least it would be in the proper place and help with the healing (notice, I didn't say recover).

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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2015, 05:55:41 PM »
I understand that so much of the salt in their ponds is so hard packed they can't even rip it up with a dozer.
It was mentioned to me that "maybe we should just pay Intrepid & go race on their ponds".
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2015, 06:53:20 PM »
I am sure that Intrepid and their share holders would welcome that liability.

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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2015, 07:13:21 PM »
I understand that so much of the salt in their ponds is so hard packed they can't even rip it up with a dozer.
It was mentioned to me that "maybe we should just pay Intrepid & go race on their ponds".
  Sid. 

I sort of think that is the real reason they pump salt back, it frees up space so they can continue to operate without having to find a more expensive way to get rid of the salt.
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2015, 01:43:28 AM »


Who came up with the idea you can drain and fill a pond at the same time?

Just askin'
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2015, 02:57:34 AM »


Who came up with the idea you can drain and fill a pond at the same time?

Just askin'
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 11:38:55 AM »


Who came up with the idea you can drain and fill a pond at the same time?

Just askin'
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Sam, that is how they "raised" salt back in the days of wooden ships and iron men.... islanders trapped and released water into a variety of ponds built on the coast...
Did you miss the part about Intrepid increasing efficiency... they don't need a way to get rid of salt, that is what rail cars do, they need a place to store all the water in the desert so they can use it again.
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 12:06:25 PM »
Did you miss the part about Intrepid increasing efficiency... they don't need a way to get rid of salt, that is what rail cars do, they need a place to store all the water in the desert so they can use it again.

Bob, are they actually selling the salt?  I go to the Intrepid sales site, and the only source of salt sales I see indicates Moab.
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2015, 12:24:58 PM »
If they can't rip it up with a bulldozer, that is what the BSF "used to be like". What do we have now???

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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2015, 12:29:58 PM »
So after you stop all the mining on the flats, how and who is going to pay for all that work you are sugesting? Just saying maybe it should be an effort with the racers and the Mining concerns to work towards a better Salt Flats. So as far as your petition goes put your money where your mouth is!!!!
Oh yea just so you know I'm not in the mining business, but I do care about the Salt Flats, and I don't even race.
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2015, 12:57:10 PM »
Mr. Crawford,
  My proposal is to shut off the pumps and fill the ditches.
I'll bring a shovel to World of Speed and get started.

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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2015, 01:00:28 PM »
So after you stop all the mining on the flats, how and who is going to pay for all that work you are sugesting? Just saying maybe it should be an effort with the racers and the Mining concerns to work towards a better Salt Flats. So as far as your petition goes put your money where your mouth is!!!!
Oh yea just so you know I'm not in the mining business, but I do care about the Salt Flats, and I don't even race.

And Mike, that's the whole rub.
 
Intrepid is the owner of the current conveyance of salt back to the north end.

Mike, I DID sign the petition - the reason being is that the issue needs to be looked at, awareness needs to be raised, and provided they're not moving the salt out of the area - there are those who contend otherwise - then I think Intrepid needs to put it back, and I think they need to be held to that task. 

And it's rare when a mining company has a cooperative and interested party involved that is actually helping to raise funds to do so.  I'm unaware of any mining company that has a watchdog such as Save the Salt that has actually invested money into the recovery process, rather than simply going for legal redress.

To those who say, "don't take it any further up the governmental chain", I can only say that even the BLM has admitted they have not been keeping close tabs on this issue.

Additionally, if the new potash extraction facility goes into operation, it will further depress local potash prices and make Intrepid less likely to even be ABLE to replenish the salt.

It's a sticky wicket.

A call to and from "upstairs" is in order, and even if the result is not what we would hope for, there's little reason to expect that continuing down the current path will provide results favorable to racers.

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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2015, 04:25:04 PM »
Mr. Dalton   thanks---- you get it  the solution is going to have to have a political side to it!!
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2015, 05:56:58 PM »
Did you miss the part about Intrepid increasing efficiency... they don't need a way to get rid of salt, that is what rail cars do, they need a place to store all the water in the desert so they can use it again.

Bob, are they actually selling the salt?  I go to the Intrepid sales site, and the only source of salt sales I see indicates Moab.

Yes they are selling salt, I highly doubt they would be giving the stuff away. I have personally seen train cars loaded with the stuff (potash is not white), Trucks & trailers haul it to SLC for use as ice melt on the roads plus Shelton's also have a plant in Wendover with stock piles & they are packaging it & sending it somewhere other than the flats.
 Mike Crawford should be able to tell us about that.
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Re: Stop Mining the Salt Flats Petition
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2015, 06:08:41 PM »

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Trucks & trailers haul it to SLC for use as ice melt on the roads
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That should be way better than what's under Great Lake Erie.
I'm sure it takes care of ice and snow quickly.

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