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Offline kustombrad

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Re: 2nd Mining company to start mining on Bonneville Salt Flats
« Reply #465 on: July 20, 2015, 05:19:26 PM »
OK I have an honest question... If one was to get something on TV and show all the past coolness and the scary future of the salt flats what could be legally said? Is blaming the mining a deal where you wouldn't have to go to court for say, a slander deal? How could it be done to let EVERY car guy who's ever wanted to visit Bonneville (we ALL do!) know what's going on and how they can help? If a broad audience could be reached, what SERIOUSLY could they be told?

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 Canceled - Hotel Reservations?
« Reply #466 on: July 20, 2015, 05:20:27 PM »
Last year, the Rainbow issued partial refunds after SpeedWeek was cancelled.  That doesn't mean they will do the same this year.

Basically, they kept the charges for the first weekend, and refunded the weekdays.

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 Canceled - Hotel Reservations?
« Reply #467 on: July 20, 2015, 05:24:06 PM »
  I would call the Credit Card Company First and talk with a Customer Service Rep.  The Nugget has always been good to deal with although at Last years speedweek checkout I had to pay for that Current Day (at Noon)  but it could have been a lot worse obviously.
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Re: 2nd Mining company to start mining on Bonneville Salt Flats
« Reply #468 on: July 20, 2015, 05:27:30 PM »
Here's some from Ron Main:


"The SAVE THE SALT COALITION are all aware of this attempt to raise capital for this investment.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGtr1TXaNAE "

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JUL 19, 2015

Historic preservationists oppose Utah mining plan

By Brian Maffly January 2, 2013 7:52 am
 
Utah's scenic Pilot Valley, crossed by one of the last pristine sections of the national historic trail known as the Hastings Cutoff, could be the scene of intensive potash mining under a proposal being developed by a Canadian mining firm.
 
Mesa Exploration Co., a publicly traded Vancouver-based company, is seeking Bureau of Land Management permission to prospect this stretch of salt flats where about 160 years ago California-bound immigrants struggled to reach the life-saving waters at Donner Springs. In statements to investors, the company said its proposed Bounty Potash Project will yield on par with the Intrepid potash operation to the south and east of Wendover, which generates up to $65 million annually.

BLM officials say approval is a long way off, even as the company says it's ready to drill. Historic preservationists, meanwhile, argue these lands should be off-limits.

Extraction of potash — which provides a key nutrient in agricultural fertilizers — on salt playas requires a network of ditches that use solar evaporation to precipitate potassium-rich salts from brine.

"There will be very little visual impact caused by the Bounty Potash operation as the area is out of sight of all but the few people who might visit this remote area," wrote geologist Dana Durgin in a Mesa Exploration technical report. "The people living nearby are also quite familiar with such a project and no significant local antipathy toward the project is expected."

But leaders of the Oregon-California Trails Association, a nonprofit devoted to preserving and promoting historic pioneer routes, say this kind of industrial development can only come at the cost of destroying the Hastings Cutoff.

"We can't have a wonderful wilderness environment with a section of pristine trail out there and still have a potash mine in the same area," said Salt Lake City historian T. Michael Smith, the group's Utah chapter president. "It is beautiful enough and historic enough in terms of the trail and the prehistoric uses that it should be preserved and used as it has for several decades."

The project area covers 125 square miles of playa exposed when Lake Bonneville dried up thousands of years ago, concentrating minerals into the ancient lakebed. Pilot Peak and the Silver Island Mountains frame this valley that posed the final 10 miles of the arduous, dangerous salt flat crossing for the ill-fated 1846 Donner party and the gold seekers who followed. Wagon wheel ruts remain visible in many places, even though the route was abandoned by the early 1850s.

A 54-mile national scenic byway encircling Silver Island skirts the southeast edge of the project area.

BLM owns most of the project area, which features a checkerboard of private and Utah state lands. Mesa leased 14 square miles of state land, is negotiating to acquire mineral rights on an additional 22 square miles of private land and has applied for prospecting permits on the remaining 89 square miles of federal land.

The technical report Mesa commissioned in early 2012 found a "substantial potash resource," citing a 1966 exploratory project that detected the presence of 5.1 million tons of potash. The report says Bounty is analogous to a nearby salt flat operation in size and grade.

For 75 years, Intrepid Potash's Wendover operation has produced up to 95,000 tons of potash and 200,000 tons of magnesium chloride Magnesium chloride is used for low-temperature de-icing of highways, sidewalks, and parking lots. When highways are treacherous due to icy conditions, magnesium chloride helps to prevent the ice bond, allowing snow plows to clear the roads more efficiently. a year. It has also carved 100 miles of bermed ditches into the lakebed.

When Bounty starts producing potash, Mesa has projected operating costs of $180 a ton for a commodity that sells for $500 to $650.

Mesa officials could not be reached Monday, but their public statements over the past several months give the impression Bounty prospecting is already under way and actual development will not face serious regulatory hurdles.

"Because the area is a lifeless, barren salt flat there are no anticipated environmental or permitting issues," the company reported in a July 31 news release. The company also announced its contractor Cross Marine Projects Co. would begin exploratory drilling by summer 2012.

However, the BLM has yet to complete its own minerals report, which will determine whether prospecting is necessary and appropriate, according to agency spokeswoman Megan Crandall, who stressed Monday that no drilling has been authorized. If that permission is given, the National Environmental Policy Act will require further reviews before mining can commence.

"There are a lot of moving parts," Crandall said. "We are absolutely taking our time to make sure we are doing all our due diligence to make the right decision."

Mesa has also filed exploration-permit applications on 116 square miles on BLM land in Grand County, covering three locations south of Green River where Intrepid has an active potash operation nearby, according to company press releases.

bmaffly@sltrib.com Bounty Potash Project

Mesa Exploration Co. is exploring the potash potential of the Pilot Valley, 120 miles west of Salt Lake City. The historic Hastings Cutoff of the California Trail runs across the proposed project area."

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #469 on: July 20, 2015, 05:29:33 PM »
Can you move your flights and reservations to get in BMST or WOS
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Or Loring? :)  That's this coming weekend.  Obviously a very different course…

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #470 on: July 20, 2015, 05:29:45 PM »
Flights and reservations are not the all of it.  We have 10 bikes on one Carnet.  If any stay they all stay, or so I think.  Not checked that out yet, but for those with jobs, swapping annual leave may be difficult and for those with wives the same may be true.  Flights are booked on the cheap and typically not refundable or be changed.  Everyone is different, some can other not.  

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Re: 2nd Mining company to start mining on Bonneville Salt Flats
« Reply #471 on: July 20, 2015, 05:29:55 PM »
 Kustom, Not if your Lawyer has ever read the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.  :wink: :-D
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Re: 2nd Mining company to start mining on Bonneville Salt Flats
« Reply #472 on: July 20, 2015, 05:33:43 PM »
  Thanx Slim and to you Ron Main.
  Hopefully Can all get behind the Save The Salt Coalition and work in Harmony for the outcome We wish for ourselves and the Public in general,
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #473 on: July 20, 2015, 05:49:41 PM »
FWIW, I would hold out for WOS.  I mean what are you going to do with the bikes when they get back home anyway?
And, not that it matters, but there have been a time or two when I was literally NEXT in line to run - suit on, belts tight, motors ready to fire and the meet was called off because of weather.  
At other times I have made passes while it was raining on the windshield.  You just never know.
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Re: Speed Week 2015 is cancelled
« Reply #474 on: July 20, 2015, 06:03:42 PM »
Can this be the reality for the Bonneville Speedway we all have been afraid was coming? As difficult as it is to say this any further attempts to use the salt flats should be canceled until the surface is once again safe for what we want to do. Doing so would certainly put pressure on everyone in the UTAH government until the surface is safe we wont return. Yes this is a very radical statement but something drastic needs to be done. The many of us who have donated to the save the salt funds did so to hopefully prevent what is now taking place.
    The time has come for the sleeping giant to arise and show those in power what has taken place to this historic location.  Go ahead UTAH keep selling the mining rights look what's happened. The state of UTAH at this point looks like a bunch of fools who have damaged part of the states heritage and a huge part of the local community's economy.
      I like so many others have waited all my life to finally bring a car to run on the salt. For well over 10 months I have been working almost non stop to be ready for that first ever virgin pass in my race car on the historic Bonneville Speedway. How I dreamed of that day when the starter gives me the coarse I'm sure there will be tears in my eyes but now the tear in my eyes is knowing this might never happen!
     To all the SCTA and BNI and USFRA leaders and volunteers I certainly appreciate all your efforts for trying to get a safe coarse for us racers. Your jobs are hard and I know the pay sucks I want you all to know your efforts are appreciated.  
 Well now I'm done venting sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers.
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #475 on: July 20, 2015, 06:33:57 PM »
I think your correct with the canet, all travel together, whats your canet a 3 ,6,or 12 mth, they can be extended , some of the Aussies have previously kept the bikes in the USA for next yr , easy on the US side of the paperwork, but required reimport back home later due to our system not allowing for more than 12 mth canet , costs a few $ but much cheaper than sending the stuff back and forward 

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 Canceled - Hotel Reservations?
« Reply #476 on: July 20, 2015, 06:38:39 PM »
Why are people attacking the hotels about refunds when I suspect it is very likely the travellers were told BEFORE they booked the room that there are no refunds?  Yes, I know it sucks to lose a huge amount of money, but people were told beforehand.

I booked in Wells, NV.  for August Speedweek, 7 days for $490.  NO CANCELLATION fee, as I just cancelled the reservation for free.
It is worth it to me to drive the 55 miles to Wells each night, and save about $1000+

I am banking on the World Finals to be extended BACK a few days to make a 2015 Speedweek/World Finals like they tried last year.  I just booked a room at the Knights Inn in Wendover for 9/25 until 10/2/2015 for $325 for 7 days, with NO CANCELLATION fee in bold print if cancelled by the day before.

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 CANCELLED
« Reply #477 on: July 20, 2015, 06:41:04 PM »
I am beyond bummed ! :-(

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 CANCELLED
« Reply #478 on: July 20, 2015, 06:58:21 PM »
Awww... this makes it two years in a row!  :x

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Re: SPEED WEEK 2015 Canceled - Hotel Reservations?
« Reply #479 on: July 20, 2015, 07:21:13 PM »
Jeff;
Although the casinos tell you up front regarding no refunds when reservations are made, I'll bet a steak dinner it is illegal to charge for a room that is not used. Especially when you could cancel the reservation two weeks two weeks before check-in.
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