World Finals 2013

[SPARKY]

I better get busy with "the checks in the mail!" !!!!!!!!!!!!

[SPARKY]

it  "sorta has been done in the past

[Sumner]

Time is getting short.  Would it be possible to have FIM, FIA, and AMA folks at world finals to time folks running those classes?  In other words, an entrant would enter and run for an SCTA record and also be timed for the other records if they made prior arrangements.  Sort of a combined WF and shootout?  Just curious, that's all.

Not sure if SCTA/BNI would be setup to run returns the opposite direction as is required for an international record, but like sparky said it has been done before.  It can really slow a meet down and present some real safety problems.  I think it has been some time since SCTA/BNI has done it.  Mike's meet has a lot longer course usually with the timed mile between the 5 and 6 going each direction (same piece of ground) if I remember right.

I think they do it at BUB for some, but others really don't like it as it slows things down as people have to move away from the start line that is usually used for the down run and then no one can make a pass usually until the bike that is on a return run can get turned around to make its return run.

The Shoot-out doesn't have as many entries so it isn't near the problem,

Sum

[maj]

Bubs return runs are very efficiant
with the international track running 4 start points at 2 ends it makes very little difference where the runs start from,
as soon as the track is clear from runs at one position its open for the next
one of the earliest memories from my first bubs meet , is the words , mile 7 you are cold.... mile 3 you are hot    , very clear and precise   
   

[JonAmo]

Time is getting short.  Would it be possible to have FIM, FIA, and AMA folks at world finals to time folks running those classes?  In other words, an entrant would enter and run for an SCTA record and also be timed for the other records if they made prior arrangements.  Sort of a combined WF and shootout?  Just curious, that's all.

I think the last time this happened was 2002. This was the sad event that Nolan White passed. I think this was also the last time Al Teague ran the Speed-O-Motive Streamliner. Vesco was going to run that event but last minute issues with the Turbine prevented that arrival of the Turbinator. He did make the event and helped Skip Hedrick that event before he passed away later in the year. There were many that came and ran FIA sanctioning during that event. This was the last time I recall SCTA doing it at WF. Jim and Mary True may have ran at that time with the NEB II as well.  

Jon

[JonAmo]

Bubs return runs are very efficiant
with the international track running 4 start points at 2 ends it makes very little difference where the runs start from,
as soon as the track is clear from runs at one position its open for the next
one of the earliest memories from my first bubs meet , is the words , mile 7 you are cold.... mile 3 you are hot    , very clear and precise   
   

You cannot compare the two events. At BUB, their event it is only bikes, limited spectators and all runs are made that way. You can drive vehicles back and forth from end of runs, cars are more of an issue that they need trailered, CARS only get 1 HOUR to return. Due to speeds cars go it becomes more of a logistical issue, support vehicles and nature of "Cars". Lets not forget the rest of the folks who are running on SCTA/BNI records. Impounding etc. Then we need to talk about relative miles going opposite directions, qualifying in any of the timed 3 mile segments for long course, whereas there is only one measured mile and kilo at BUB. You just simply cannot compare the two events, sorry.

Jon

[FoundSoul]

Sure hope it drys out, we've been working hard t get the new #787 ready for this event and we're there!  Any update on current salt conditions?  Seems like we'd need someone 'on the ground' there to give a good idea of where it is now.  I hear it's still under water, but 'IF' it doesn't rain any more (forecast looks dry) will we have a race track?  2000 miles is a long way to haul a car to just turn around and drag it home ;(

[maj]

Bubs return runs are very efficiant
with the international track running 4 start points at 2 ends it makes very little difference where the runs start from,
as soon as the track is clear from runs at one position its open for the next
one of the earliest memories from my first bubs meet , is the words , mile 7 you are cold.... mile 3 you are hot    , very clear and precise   
   

You cannot compare the two events. At BUB, their event it is only bikes, limited spectators and all runs are made that way. You can drive vehicles back and forth from end of runs, cars are more of an issue that they need trailered, CARS only get 1 HOUR to return. Due to speeds cars go it becomes more of a logistical issue, support vehicles and nature of "Cars". Lets not forget the rest of the folks who are running on SCTA/BNI records. Impounding etc. Then we need to talk about relative miles going opposite directions, qualifying in any of the timed 3 mile segments for long course, whereas there is only one measured mile and kilo at BUB. You just simply cannot compare the two events, sorry.

Jon

Yes i fully agree with your points ,the Bubs various start points  proximity to the track alone would exclude cars

i had written more and lost it , should have done it again 
 

[RayTheRat]

Sure hope it drys out, we've been working hard t get the new #787 ready for this event and we're there!  Any update on current salt conditions?  Seems like we'd need someone 'on the ground' there to give a good idea of where it is now.  I hear it's still under water, but 'IF' it doesn't rain any more (forecast looks dry) will we have a race track?  2000 miles is a long way to haul a car to just turn around and drag it home ;(

Have a coupla dry martinis for me, k?  It might not help with the water on the salt, but you won't care as much. 

[RayTheRat]

Time is getting short.  Would it be possible to have FIM, FIA, and AMA folks at world finals to time folks running those classes?  In other words, an entrant would enter and run for an SCTA record and also be timed for the other records if they made prior arrangements.  Sort of a combined WF and shootout?  Just curious, that's all.

I think it's highly unlikely.  Cook runs a different course, does things quite differently.  The rain date for the Shootout is 10/10-16. 

I don't know all that went on in selecting that date, but ya woulda thought that starting it on the 6th (one day off after WF) might have made sense...unless they figger course setup would take too long.

[Seldom Seen Slim]

I'm not privy to Mike Cook's reasons for scheduling the rain date for 10 - 16 October, but it might be something to do with BLM's permit process.  Mike told us, at the impromptu meeting in the Enola Gay hangar last Friday, that the BLM manager (don't remember her name right now - sorry, ma'am) has been doing her utmost to help Cook get the meet up and running - pushing papers through way faster and changing the 30 day waiting period or 30 day before submission date - - to much less time.

Maybe, anyway, the mid-October dates have something to do with permits or such.  As for the SCTA/BNI courses interfering with Shootout/Int'l course - the two cross each other on a diagonal, so if the SCTA course were chewed up from WF (for instance) there'd be a relatively small bit of course that needs fixing - maybe a half-mile, maybe as much as one full mile.  That's all, and that much isn't impossible to do.

[FoundSoul]

Based on a report from a friend that lives in Ely,NV and just drove through and checked out the Bonneville course a couple days ago, it sounds like World Finals is washed out....  He's telling me to make other plans, that in his opinion there's no way it'll dry in time with the current/predicted weather. 

Super bummed....

[Elmo Rodge]

I believe the rain date for the Shootout is the 10th through the 14th. Wayno

[bbarn]

Based on a report from a friend that lives in Ely,NV and just drove through and checked out the Bonneville course a couple days ago, it sounds like World Finals is washed out....  He's telling me to make other plans, that in his opinion there's no way it'll dry in time with the current/predicted weather. 

Super bummed....

I have to ask this question: what experience is he basing this on? is this someone who knows the salt and its habits or did he see 3" of water at lands end and make the call?

Not meaning to disparage your friend, only looking to qualify his opinion. As someone's tag line here says: "Without data you are just another man with an opinion". Again, not doubting your friends observations, just checking his qualifications.

If we don't get to run this year because of rain, there are going to be at least two people in Butler County with wives that will want to replace them more than they already do!

[Frankie7799]

Based on a report from a friend that lives in Ely,NV and just drove through and checked out the Bonneville course a couple days ago, it sounds like World Finals is washed out....  He's telling me to make other plans, that in his opinion there's no way it'll dry in time with the current/predicted weather. 

Super bummed....

I have to ask this question: what experience is he basing this on? is this someone who knows the salt and its habits or did he see 3" of water at lands end and make the call?

Not meaning to disparage your friend, only looking to qualify his opinion. As someone's tag line here says: "Without data you are just another man with an opinion". Again, not doubting your friends observations, just checking his qualifications.

If we don't get to run this year because of rain, there are going to be at least two people in Butler County with wives that will want to replace them more than they already do!

I thought the same thing. Im hoping the Finals are a go. It sure would be nice to see that car of yours in person and I know Sparky, Andy and I really want to run the new lakester there. Guess only time and the SCTA/BNI folks will tell.