Springfield Flyer.

[tauruck]

Thanks Sid.
I always learn a lot from you.

[kustombrad]

"It takes a lot of very clever people to build a long car and I've been blessed with so many.
You won't get this sort of help in any other form of motorsport, that I can guarantee."
That is a great quote and so very true!

[kiwi belly tank]

Yep, LSR the friendly place to race.
I just want to share the knowledge before they eventually burn down my library.
  Sid.

[tauruck]

Sid, if I don't get this thing done by next winter (your's) I'd like to come hang out
with you before I go insane.

I'm on the ropes and the legs are like rubber.

If they made a video of my "stupidity" today Youtube would have shut down from over use.

You were 100% right about using jacks etc.
The support bars were a bust. I wasn't crazy about the set up and then Tom Burkland emailed me.
Between Tom and Sid's sage advice I need to rethink and design a better system.

The parts I made are junk and more than ever I wish I lived in Lava Hot Springs or Ogden, Utah.

[kiwi belly tank]

You need a really stiff chassis on a long car to prevent chassis oscillations & the faster it goes the more important it becomes. Torsional rigity also needs to be addressed if you don't want to be chasing it around out there.
Dont be afraid to ask for advice from multipul people & decide from that what makes more sence to you, nobody know's everything. This goes for everybody not just Mike.
There are a bunch of different ways to float a boat so to speak but some of them will get you drowned.
  Sid.

[tauruck]

Sid, I have a couple of ideas in mind.
This looks like nothing more than a few bars with ends on them
but as you pointed out in your first reply it gets complicated.

I'm going to walk away from it for now. Rushing only ever gets me into trouble.

What happens in my case is that I work on the liner non stop and get into a situation where things just flow
and one part just flows into the next. I'm in the groove and it all seems to come naturally.

I had to do "work" for customers and then thought I'd just do a few hours on the car?.

Big mistake.

[SPARKY]

These "long things" are Very much subjects of gravity and thermal inputs! 

[kiwi belly tank]

Sid, I have a couple of ideas in mind.
This looks like nothing more than a few bars with ends on them
but as you pointed out in your first reply it gets complicated.

I'm going to walk away from it for now. Rushing only ever gets me into trouble.

What happens in my case is that I work on the liner non stop and get into a situation where things just flow
and one part just flows into the next. I'm in the groove and it all seems to come naturally.

I had to do "work" for customers and then thought I'd just do a few hours on the car?.

Big mistake.

Thats the way Mate, take a break & think it through, you're no dummy it'll come to you.
  Sid.

[Riaan Lingenfelder]

Sid.  And others
All you guys helping and advising Mike do not know how much impact you have on this build. I have the fortune to sit with him and chat every now and then. His strength and inspiration comes from the forum. The advise the chats. Its like making a (south african brew) potjie kos (pot stew). All ingredients come from you guys and experience.
Keep motivating and inspiring. 
Thank you......

[Ron Gibson]

Mike
Cheer up. I don't know if you did or are following the Target 550 build. There have been numerous changes, redesigns or modifications over the course of the build because something didn't work right or was in the way, etc, etc. This car is being built by the best minds and fabricators on the planet and they don't always get it right. When you are building anything one off, problems can be expected.

Ron

[Glen]

Changes are never ending. On both Vesco streamliners there are constant upgrades, additions and redo's. The note books are full of notes and pictures.Even though it's off season things just pop up. Anyway there are a lot of neat projects going on around the world and we can follow on the internet and all of us learn from it.

[Dynoroom]

You can buy or build something like these ideas, then use an adjustable heim or clevis on the other side.

[tauruck]

Guys, thanks so much for all the great advice.

Michael, The fittings are exactly what I need. My clevis' are similar but the others will do the job.
I'll get to Geraldo and ask him to machine a couple of sets.

A while back I went through a similar situation with the front end and it drove me nuts for months.

These braces are just a couple of "no brainer" bars, right?.
You figure you'll just fry on a couple of female clevis', a brace here and there and be done with it.
They are kind of the last pieces in the puzzle!!!!.

They interfere with everything good on the car. The air inlets, the plenum chamber and a bunch of other components.
Talk about painting yourself into a corner?.

I thought I could space the bars wider where they connect at the rearward part of the chassis to give
me room for the air box/plenum but the turbos are right there.

Much better, more intelligent guys than me have been through this so I don't feel too bad.

This is where being in Africa is a big problem. If I was US based I know one of you would have a look
and come up with a solution.
I suppose it will just click soon.

Without the forum and all you guys we'd be in serious Doo Doo.

[kiwi belly tank]

If it was easy everybody would be doin it!
  Sid.

[Rex Schimmer]

Mike,
If you really want to improve your frame's stiffness then I would highly recommend that your add some sort of diagonal tube in the open bay of the frame just behind the fire wall. I have attached a pic of the area. If you need to have access to this area then you would need to make the diagonal tube removable. Check the "Target 550" build to see how they did it.

Regarding your "curtain hanger" bars that you have added, remember that because they are so long they will not have much effect in increasing frame stiffness in the vertical down load direction as they are in compression and with them being so long they will not provide much help in this direction although they will help in the vertical up loaded condition when they are in tension.

Rex