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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2012, 05:50:41 AM »
Panic, I'm wondering how anyone can read the rule, and 'discover' that an early OHV v8 should be legal in XO? :?
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2012, 09:32:18 AM »
This is crazy!! I didn't mean to start such an uproar! Just didn't want to show up with the wrong engine and only be allowed to run for, "time only." I hope there is no hard feelings. Just a newbie trying to figure some stuff out.
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2012, 11:50:45 AM »
"How are the uninitiated, who are reading the rule book for the first time, supposed to know where the line is really being drawn?"

When confused or just seeking info about your class Section 16 of the rulebook can be your friend.

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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2012, 05:57:02 PM »
Is there something wrong with just having the rules actually say what they're supposed to mean?
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2012, 06:10:16 PM »
I'm in complete agreement with you.  The SCTA should hire grammarticians and lawyers and proofreaders and forecasters to review their rules which have worked in this amateur organization for years.  They've got to get professional.  So what if they run the largest land speed event on the planet with basically only one paid employee.  This is the 20th, no 21st, Century.  Let's all twitter on this, or whatever that is.  This is just not right.  By the way, as I'm sure you're a member, you can lead the way.
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2012, 06:12:33 PM »
The dryness could be cut with a knife :cheers:
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2012, 07:49:05 PM »
Quote from: lsrjunkie on December 12, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
This is crazy!! I didn't mean to start such an uproar! Just didn't want to show up with the wrong engine and only be allowed to run for, "time only." I hope there is no hard feelings. Just a newbie trying to figure some stuff out.

You will find on page 27 of the rulebook that you need to have a skin thicker than 0.120" to use the LSR website.

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Relax, this is the norm.  If somebody gets their panties twisted, it's up to them to unravel them.
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2012, 08:29:28 PM »
As an XO guy since 1974 if find this hilarious...........................JD

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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2012, 11:04:16 PM »
    And don't forget: "The Spirit of the Rule". What? You haven't heard about that yet? You will.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
    Just let it roll off and keep going. This is as much fun as you will have in your lifetime.
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2012, 12:41:24 AM »
No, never mind.
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2012, 03:07:34 AM »
Quote from: lsrjunkie on December 10, 2012, 05:43:11 PM
And it's the "clarity of language" that got me to asking questions. In my mind if an engine was designed in 1959 but not available until '61 or '62 it would be ok. Based solely on how the rule for that class reads. Better to know now, as opposed to sitting in tech and finding out the hard way.

My way of thinking about that would be to bring written proof from the manufacturer that your 1961 engine was fully designed in 1959 and I can't see there being a problem.  That your neighbor behind you but two houses over said your 1961 engine was designed in 1959 is not definitive proof.  The problem with the rules is not the rules.  Its people reading into them what they want to see. 
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2012, 07:25:07 AM »
Quote from: Nortonist 592 on December 13, 2012, 03:07:34 AM
The problem with the rules is not the rules.  Its people reading into them what they want to see. 

I agree completely.  How can "1959 or earlier model year" be read into something that clearly states "1959 or earlier design"?

A big part of any type of racing has always been rules interpretation.  Rules need to evolve as racers exploit the loopholes in them.

Many years ago, I inspected an SCCA Trans Am Sunoco Camaro.  The rules at the time limited the fuel tank to 10 gallons.  Ok, so Penske just installed a gigantic filler neck that held a couple of extra gallons.  They found a way around the rules, and took advantage of it.  The rule at the time didn't cover it, but it sure did the next year.

As someone said before, ask the Salt Cat guys.  There was nothing in the XO rules prohibiting modified stock cylinder heads at the time they modified theirs.  They found a loophole and took advantage of it.  I'm sure they had a lot time, and perhaps a lot of money invested in their efforts, only to lose the records they had set (at least in XO).

So, now we're looking at another hole in the rules.  It would be easy enough to fix so that nobody else wastes time and/or money on it.  Or, would it be better to leave it as is so that only the insiders know what it really means?   

 
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2012, 09:33:30 AM »
I don't know. In '77 after SpeedWeek I decided I wanted to have an XX/Alt. The engine rules seemed pretty clear to me at the time. Later they split off the Fords. What has become more difficult since then?
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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2012, 10:14:22 AM »
Quote from: JustaRacer on December 12, 2012, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: lsrjunkie on December 12, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
This is crazy!! I didn't mean to start such an uproar! Just didn't want to show up with the wrong engine and only be allowed to run for, "time only." I hope there is no hard feelings. Just a newbie trying to figure some stuff out.

You will find on page 27 of the rulebook that you need to have a skin thicker than 0.120" to use the LSR website.

 :-D

Relax, this is the norm.  If somebody gets their panties twisted, it's up to them to unravel them.


OH MAN!! More rules! This is crazy!! I don't know if this is all it was cracked up to be!!  :-D

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Re: Engine classes
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2012, 11:12:38 AM »
I fall back to one of my old sayings here:

Same rules, more words.

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