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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #480 on: September 18, 2012, 10:22:22 AM »
Well -- how refreshing (pardon the pun).  This morning's first run is underway.  It's Al Lamb on the #1979 bike, heading from mountain end to the pit end.  He's through the eight mile.

entry speed 252.0  kilo  260.599  mile   259.55    exit    263.89

WOW!   Nice wake up call, hey?
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #481 on: September 18, 2012, 10:25:15 AM »
I think I read a few posts back that P/M got the head welded up for the 299ci motor. Are they gonna run the 299ci motor again? :cheers:

I think that'll depend on how the small motor's runs go.  If they make 2 runs back to back and get a record over 400, they might run the 299.  If they have a struggle with the little motor, I think they might call it a day...but that's just a guess based on what a crew member told me yesterday.

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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #482 on: September 18, 2012, 10:27:30 AM »
Back to the FIA 1% rule.  Here's a copy and paste of Dave Petrali's note to me overnight.  Please read it all the way through to the end of the note -- the end states the answer to the dilemma.


On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:29 AM, David Petrali wrote:

Jon a/k/a SSS
 
Here is a previous entry from the FIA Appendix D governing LSR attempts:
 
CHAPTER III HOMOLOGATION, RECORDING AND
PUBLICATION
 
Art. 229 Jurisdiction and conditions of homologation
Each ASN will make a decision as regards applications for
homologation of records established on its territory; the FIA will
make a decision as regards applications for homologation of
international and world records submitted by the ASNs concerned
(art. 98).
The same record may be homologated in all types of records
admitted (art. 217) and run under the same regulations
(art. 100).
A record cannot be homologated in categories, groups and
classes of vehicles (art. 218) different from those to which the car
used for the attempt belongs (art. 101). A national class record
may, nevertheless, be homologated as an absolute national
record, and an international record may be homologated as a
world record.
In any case, the homologation of a record is subject to the
following conditions (art. 105).
1) The attempt must have been made in compliance with
the prescriptions of art. 220 to 228.
2) The performance must represent an increase of at least
1 % of the average speed of the previous record, if there is one.
The holder of the record (art. 38) and whose name will be
mentioned on the certificate of homologation will be the competitor
(art. 222), holder of the entry form (if the attempt takes place…
 
Compare Article 229 2) to the version below published on 12-22-2011 and available for viewing/download at:
 
            http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/records/appendixd/Pages/Contents.aspx
 
CHAPTER III HOMOLOGATION, RECORDING AND
PUBLICATION
 
Art. 229 Jurisdiction and conditions of homologation
Each ASN will make a decision as regards applications for
homologation of records established on its territory; the FIA will
make a decision as regards applications for homologation of world,
or absolute world records submitted by the ASNs concerned
(art. 98).
The same record may be homologated in all types of records
admitted (art. 217) and run under the same regulations
(art. 100).
A record cannot be homologated in categories, groups and
classes of vehicles (art. 218) different from those to which the car
used for the attempt belongs (art. 101). A national class record
may, nevertheless, be homologated as an absolute national
record, and a world record may be homologated as an absolute
world record.
In any case, the homologation of a record is subject to the
following conditions (art. 105).
1) The attempt must have been made in compliance with
the prescriptions of art. 220 to 228.
2) The holder of the record (art. 38) and whose name will
be mentioned on the certificate of homologation will be the
competitor (art. 222), holder of the entry form…
 
The 1% rule was eliminated starting on January 1, 2012.
 
Best regards,
 
Dave

Okay?  You got it now?  You're welcome.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #483 on: September 18, 2012, 10:30:04 AM »
Jamie Williams on bike #968 is ready to run.  In the meantime, I think I heard the SD team will be running the 4-cylinder 181" motor today.  They have a different tranny for it (than the 7-speed(s)).  I heard that both of the 7-speed units are now considered weak and they don't want to hurt either any further.  Whether they decide to run the 299" after all, using the second of the Liberty 7-speeds, is their choice.  But now you know what I heard from them.

Back to Jamie -- he's through the nine mile.

Through the seven and getting to the timed stretch.

Entry speed  228.04   kilo  228.1   mile  228.2   exit   228.55  That's a gain of about 1/2 mph through the measured mile.

Next up will be the electric bike.  He'll start at the 6 1/2 -  6 3/4 or so.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #484 on: September 18, 2012, 10:35:38 AM »
This danged internet - doesn't allow me to make mistakes.  Jim Knapp accosted me as I walked past his pit this morning and asked me to correct my information about his car.  On the jack shaft, looking from the rear, the chains/sprockets are:  Front engine, middle engine, rear engine, left wheel drive, right wheel drive.  They're set up that way so the engine offsets allow the front chain to clear everything on the way back, and the middle chain inside the front but outside of the rear (chains), and so on.

You're welcome, Jim.

Electric bike will be next.

His run is quiet - and quickly completed. 

Entry speed  93   kilo  97.99   mile  97.36   exit  98.8

He'll turn around and make the return in a very short time.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #485 on: September 18, 2012, 10:38:52 AM »
That's a lot of chain! Has to be tough to align!
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #486 on: September 18, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »
Here's comes Brandon on the #27 electric bike, hoping to electrify the world!  (groan. . .).

He's under way.  Will stop at the end of this run for a battery recharge.

Entry speed 90.87   kilo  97.87  mile  96.64   exit  98.8

I don't know if there's anyone waiting - will let you know.

Drew and Charlie are now discussing having Brandon back further for his start - he seems to consistently gain at the end of the measured mile, doesn't he?

Jamie and Al will return run in 15 minutes or so.  That means you've got time to go make the bed or refill your coffee cup or empty your cloaca.  Don't worry -- I'll give you notice when it's time to get back to the screen.

I hear the Speed Demon running the (warming the overnight cold) 181" motor.  It'll run later, don' chew worry.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #487 on: September 18, 2012, 10:59:44 AM »
Coupla minutes warning -- Al Lamb is moving his bike into starting position.  We're still waiting to finish fixing a down mile marker, but any minute.

#1979  Al Lamb is underway.  He's heading from the pit end to the mountain destination this time, making a "return" run.

Through the four, entering the timed stretch.

Entry speed  264.64  kilo  265.598   mile  265.454  exit  265.79    Ka-ZOOOM!

Those are some stout numbers, hey?  Next decision will be whether he decides to take it that way -- or runs again using those numbers for the down run/first run or the two-run record attempt.  Averages for these two runs coming soon.

Richard Assen holds the absolute record for a sit on bike, set last year here, with a 261.243.  This will beat that - pending certification, of course.

Tower says the mile average was  262.471   Kilo YTBD.

Jamie Williams will run next.

Speed Demon being put on the transporter and will run in a while -- mebbe half-hour, mebbeso one hour.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #488 on: September 18, 2012, 11:08:29 AM »
WOW, That Honda is flying and Al is riding the heII out of it. And Al is not a little guy. Way to go Al!! :cheers:
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #489 on: September 18, 2012, 11:14:38 AM »
Averages for Al Lamb:  kilo 263.074   mile  262.471.  Those are unofficial -- from the tower's calculator.  Drew will give us his version of those numbers - and remember, of course, that all records and speeds are pending certification.

This morning Dan Warner measured the Speed Demon big motor that was run yesterday, and that engine was certified to be in the 5 - 8 L class.

Speed Demon has left the pit area.

Jamie's bike is on the ground at his chosen starting point.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #490 on: September 18, 2012, 11:17:05 AM »
How did Al's tires look after the run?
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #491 on: September 18, 2012, 11:19:27 AM »
Al Lamb is not yet in the pits -- don't know about the tires.  He's returning to the pit to look at data and decide if he wants to try yet again.  In the meantime, Greg read his data from yesterday and saw he was running with about 19# boost.  He'll for certain now crank that up.

Jamie is running.   Entry speed   224.37  kilo  225.18  mile  225.02  exit speed was 225.16

His crew will move from starting position to go fetch him.  Bike #27 - Zero elect. bike - will be next.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #492 on: September 18, 2012, 11:21:43 AM »
I just got off the phone with Van Butler... He talked to Al yesterday... and is calling him now.... As of the end of yesterday the
Tires still look brand new with the "nubbies" still on the tread sections....
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #493 on: September 18, 2012, 11:22:58 AM »
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That's a lot of chain! Has to be tough to align!
I'm sure many sleepless nights went into the chains. Stock GSXR 1000 on the right. The drive sprocket goes where the black circle is on the right.

And that means that all of the stuff to the left of it is in the way on the next motor.
The front engine has to be offset enough for the chain to clear the second engine crank, covers, magneto, water pump, etc. The magneto and water pump may have been remove. Hey Jim! Help us out here!

The engines don't appear to be offset. I would guess there is an intermediate jackshaft on the front engine to offset the chain to clear the second engine.
The front and middle engine sprockets are close together between the two bearing mounts on the left. You can see the chain guard for the front chain sailing off into the far distance. The middle engine chain looks like it might dive under? the rear engine.

The rear engine sprocket is to the right of the bearing bracket, just to the right of that orange tube. I would guess that is a straight shot to the rear engine drive sprocket. If that is the case then looking at all of the stuff on the engine that sticks out past that to the left of the rear motor chain . . .
I'm gonna guess the previous Honda was MUCH easier.
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Re: COOK'S SHOOTOUT 2012
« Reply #494 on: September 18, 2012, 11:30:47 AM »
Albert Einstein - "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."

That's my opinion of the electric bike. If they are making changes it sure ain't doin nuttin.
Might just be joy riding. Fast company to be joy riding with!
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