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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Cajun Kid on April 18, 2011, 07:17:26 PM
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Bill here is a noce pic of your new car.
DWPHOTOSONLINE took this great pic.
Looking good, hope to see you and Matt back in May
Charles
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii43/cajunkid5690/208632_214955918516860_100000073599760_920583_6705608_n1-Copy.jpg)
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Good-looking car. Looks like the laundry is coming out right on time.
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Stan do you recognize that car ? It was built out West and ran on the dirt a few times ??
Bill just bought it and had less than a week from the time it shipped to him to prep for Maxton,, I am sure that car will set many more records,,, (He took my D/CGALT record in his first event with the car) But he should have,,, he has a REAL "D" Motor,,, I ran my E motor up in class to a 164.xx he upped the record to 166.xx and I know he has more left...
Cool car and a neat team to hang out with.
Charles
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Charles,
Thanks. I checked out the site and bought a few pictures. It is always good to support the guys that support us when I can. Thanks for the positive feedback on the car. I am happy so far.
We met a bunch of great people and hope to meet a bunch more in May. The records are fun but I just like being out there. Matt is finishing a Chevy II Turbo car for a customer then it is full speed ahead on his Supera. The goal is to have the Supera ready for Louring.
Charles, how is the E motor coming along?
Stan: thanks
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Bill, the E motor is out and being disassembled and cleaned now,,, Crank and Rods will be sent off for a new super finish.. new rod bolts, rod, main and cam bearings. Fresh hone and new rings..Working on heads and block a bit more... Flow bench work,,, all this should strengthen and add a few more HP...(bottom end prepped for some N2O possibilities) Should have done and back in the car by May 10th. a few days to spare before we load up on the 12th.
New Helmet is here, so also be working on driver cooling system when I get back from the Cruise.. departing Tampa on the 1st.
Charles
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Charles, sounds great. If you need a car while you are in Tampa call me. I will get you a loaner out of the Mercedes-Benz store.
I am pulling the gear out of my car tonight...I suspect it is a 3:55 and may run a 3:73 to get a little more out of the hole for Maxton. If it does not work we will pop the 3:55 back in it Sat. night. A general once over and we should be good to go. We will do some re-enfocement of the cage before Loring and Bonneville. After looking at some pictures of the 1973 AA Camaro on the other thread I feel my cage is not as good as it could be.
Enjoy your Cruise.
Bill
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Wheelrdealer , Congrats on the D/CGALT record!
That is a very sweet looking car- Obviously fast too! :cheers:
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38 Flattie
Thank you for the comments.
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New 3.70 gear coming Friday from Moser. We are going to try that to see if we can get out of the hole a little faster and up to 4th quicker. If not then Saturday night we will be swapping center sections back to the 3.50 gear. 28" tire, 1:1 fourth gear. I was at 7100 at the 1 mile marker.
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Bill that gear should work better... my guess with a good launch would be 175mph with the chip at 8,000.. that should add 9 mph to your D/CGALT record,,
I am hoping when we get the "Improved" E motor back together I am expecting for 177mph to 180mph with it... Just getting the little E single carb N/A motor to 170+ mph will be an accomlishment in the standing mile.
Take care and see you in May. I will call you when I return from vacation and am back in the USA.
Charles
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Have FUN Charles.This vacation is over due.Last year was not a vacation
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Have FUN Charles.This vacation is over due.Last year was not a vacation
Eric my friend you remember well,,, it was 11 months ago on my sons wedding cruise that I got the shingles...I feel fine now and me and my wife (just the two of us) leave this coming Saturday,,, I am so looking for a vacation,,, believe it or not I am not worried about whats going on in the motor shop while I am gone,,,#1 is just enjoying the time away with my wife... the work and engine stuff will be ok without me for a week...
Charles
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Bill,
I just checked my gear charts and my data says your set up at 7100 RPM's would be 168.98 MPH. so we are close,, some times the 28" tires are not 28" tall and some times the rpm's are not exact. etc.. so your data and mine are very very close.
With that said, I think you are going to go faster with the shorter 3.70 rear gear.
My data shows at 8,000 would be 180.11 and at 7,800 would be 175.60
Now I "think" your tires measure out below 28" like around 27.65. and that changes the speeds a bit.
8,000 is 177.86 and 7,800 is 173.41
Either way you are going to go faster all else being equal...of course this assumes you can attain that RPM at the finish !!!... and I think you can.
Charles
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Gear is in. By this time next week we will know if it works...or we will be doing a gear change Sat. night.
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hey bill, when you're ready to stretch your legs, i have a set of 2:50s. :-D
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Stretch my legs maybe...stretch the rods in the 302 motor trying to pull 2:50's probably. Just for for fun I will run the formula on them . I will need one of thos BALs AA motors for 2:50's
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come on bill, just for fun? what? :-o :-o :-o
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2100 is ready and on the road to Maxton.
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Bill, no wonder you set a record... looks like you have a real race motor in there,,,It sounds fast, looks fast and Goes fast.. nothing like my little 1 carb street motor !!!
See you around 1:00/2:00 this afternoon.
Charles
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Charles did you get the car back together?
I hope you did.
Bill- good luck with the camero.
I hope you all have a great time and go fast.
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Thanks, I did have fun...did'nt go that fast. Everything we tried made it go slower. Some pretty crappy gear shifting on my part on two runs. We had two decent runs. Did not break anything so we had a good weekend. Should be back at the shop about 4 am Monday.
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Define "crappy" shifting. Slow, or wrong gears, or false neutrals? Slow isn't "crappy" -- ask Al Teague.
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SSS Bill's #2100 Camaro has a Tremec Tranny and it is kinda Clunky/hurkey jerkey on the shifts,, 1 to 2 shift is worse.
Maybe costing him a few MPH on the rpm drops on the shifts.
I have offered my assistance to help him with a butter smooth tranny... even though we both run the same few classes,,, no open or soft records here,, it's good to run against someone...matter of fact he took one of my records last month then upped it by 1 mph again today...
Man it was fun today with no lines... I got 3 runs in with 2 long pit stops including a rear gear change in less than 3 hours with no rush and no more than a 5 minutes line.. could have made 5 runs but every chnage we made lost us 1 mph per change,, then we ran out of time to go back to Moring set up..
Charles
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Originally the plugs read lean we riched it up from 71's to 73's and left the 78's in. It slowed down 1 mph. The car responded when we took the timing up from 38 to 42. We went 167.xxx for a 1 mph bump to the D record. the plugs now read rich so we went back to the 71's jets and left the 78's in. Then it slowed down 2 mph. Switched to D/CBGALT It went 166 again but the record was 138 so we picked up some points for that. Both days I thought I had forgotten how to shift gears but we determined the trans is not shifting properly...so only half diver error...I will give the Tremec credit for the other two missed shifts. After that we loaded up and headed South. Ran over something and cut a inside trailer tire...luckily on 6 miles from a 24 hour T/A Truck Service Center. The guys there were great and after showing them the trailer and car we got our inside tire mounted and swapped for $48.00! Our 9 PM arrival is now 1:25 am.
Charles, I will be talking to you about the transmission. Thank you are always very helpful.
We meet some great people...since we are looking for a car or two to share the hauler for the trip to Bonneville.
Bill
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Good meeting you guys Bill. I think it's great what you are doing with that car. Dave and I will be in touch about the ride to Bonneville.
Chris
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Bill, sorry you had the flat tire but sounds like it all worked out,,, look on the Maxton results and pics topic I will post an in car video so you can see the shifts on my transmission. If you like we can talk,,
Charles
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Great meeting you guys too. It will be great if we can hook up and share resources for Bonneville.
Charles, we had two questionalble tires on the trailer...we shucked both of them on the ride home. That ok now we have all 8 good tires and two spares. Just took 4 hours longer to get home. Thanks for your advice I will be calliung but the first few days back I am booked solid so perhaps Wednesday or Thurs.
We had fun, learned some things. Met some great people and now will focus on Loring and Bonneville.
Plan:
Cage upgrade
Data system
new trans and clutch...if I still miss gears we will upgrade to a new driver! :)
Bill
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Great meeting you guys too. It will be great if we can hook up and share resources for Bonneville.
Charles, we had two questionalble tires on the trailer...we shucked both of them on the ride home. That ok now we have all 8 good tires and two spares. Just took 4 hours longer to get home. Thanks for your advice I will be calliung but the first few days back I am booked solid so perhaps Wednesday or Thurs.
We had fun, learned some things. Met some great people and now will focus on Loring and Bonneville.
Plan:
Cage upgrade
Data system
new trans and clutch...if I still miss gears we will upgrade to a new driver! :)
Bill
I will call my buddy and see if they have a TEX101A trans available and what kind of price they can do......
Kix
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Kix, I have 6 Tex 101A's at my disposal, I prefer the mag case, billet mid plate Tex T 10's.. with the "X" gear set.. but that is my opinion,,, I however do think Bill would be better off with the T101A...
However, even though I prefer the older Tex T10, I am going to have a spare T101A with overdrive ready for Bonneville in case we need it... with a QC rear an overdrive trans is not required.
Charles
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Kix, I have 6 Tex 101A's at my disposal, I prefer the mag case, billet mid plate Tex T 10's.. with the "X" gear set.. but that is my opinion,,, I however do think Bill would be better off with the T101A...
Charles
Awesome! I agree totally... I have never driven anything easier to shift than the T101A. I think that trans gets us quite a few mph at Maxton because we have such little time not at full throttle. I hardly even blip the throttle out to about 80% for less than a quarter of a second and we are back to full throttle.
I hope you can get Bill lined out... that car is beautiful and sounds so good I really want to see it haul A$$ !!!
Bill: if you end up needing a trans let me know. I have a contact that builds transmissions for Cup and Nationwide teams and can get a good deal if they have any coming off lease. They would be completely gone through - but you have to take whatever gear sets they come with.
Kix
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Charles and Kix, I agree...I want to haul A$$.
It was crazy busy today and not much time to think about LSR.
Charles, I need a trans but don't want to be limited to a push start. Only because we cannot carry a truck in the hauler. I have some thinking to do becuase Kix sent me an email with a list of question I need to answer prior to determining the gear ratio. I sent it to Matt to look at. Once we figure out some of the variables Kix brought to our attention we will be ready to decide on gear sets.
Kix what type of fly wheel/clutch do you run? Can I move the shifter back on the case? I sit pretty far back and the current shifter has a right angle which make gear selection harder to feel.
Charles has a trick dual disc, flywheel set up for his E motor.
Charles I want to convert to the T101A, not sure which fly wheel and clutch set up I need.
We have a new PST Carbon Drive Shaft I can have cut and fitted with the right slip yoke.
What do you guys think?
Bill
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Bill, I use a light weight duel disk on the E motor for a reason that you will not encounter,,, your D motor has more low end Torque,,,, You will not need a push with this type of clutch but it will last longer if you do push start.
Also with the Tex T10 or Tex T101A you can use a regular clutch and flywheel you do not have to use the duel set up like I have.
You can also choose gear sets to give you a low first for take off and then have a closer 3 and 4 for less rpm loss on those critical taller shifts.
Charles
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thanks, Charles. I will call you when I have a note pad to write down what I need. It is just crazy at the dealership when I get back to town. It takes a few days to get everything back to a normal schedule. Talk to you soon.
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We use a use a multiplate clutch Bill. You can put the shifter just about anywhere as long as you can make the linkage work. It is all on the outside of the box so if you mount the shifter farther back you would need to build longer shift rods. We are even thinking about a taller first gear for the mile events because the RPM drop from 1st to 2nd drops all the way to 6500 from 9200. The truck comes off the push truck pretty hard with our current 1st gear so I think a taller 1st may get us some mph in the mile.
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Charles, do you have sets of gears available for the T101A? Most of the people selling them on ebay have no idea what gears or what trans they fit, and G-force gets about $400/set for the gears. I want to try a taller first, but not for $480!!!
Kix
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Charles, do you have sets of gears available for the T101A? Most of the people selling them on ebay have no idea what gears or what trans they fit, and G-force gets about $400/set for the gears. I want to try a taller first, but not for $480!!!
Kix
Quick answer is yes,,, send me an idea of what gear ratios you want in 1, 2 and 3 ..4th will be 1 to 1
I will check and get back with you.
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Cool, I will look over my setup sheet and PM you what tooth combos will work for me.
Thanks,
Kix
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Charles:
I am all over the board on this tranny. I have talked to liberty and several others...was trying to avoid a lot of fabrication but it looks like I am not going to be able to avoid it. Matt just got a SuperFlow Dyno for his dyno room so we now plan to pull my motor and dyno it to learn where the power band is and some tune-up results. I would like to know that before I go an order a transmission so I know what gear sets to order. It does not look like that will work beause of time...unless I skip June Maxton and Loring and go straight to Bonneville. If I just did'nt have this damn pesky day job I could get all of this stuff done...but then I would have time and no money. No easy answers.
Bill
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Bill,
I have confirmed that there are Tex101A transmissions available through my NASCAR contact... they are working up a price... and they have gearsets a plenty, so we should be able to get it set up any way you wanted. Liberty is a bold move, perhaps a little overkill in my humble opinion... but certainly rock solid!
One other thought I would offer.... if the car is running good and you can line out the trans problem you are having quickly - shifts are not as important for speed at Bonneville like they are at Maxton... just a thought.
On the Tex: I am going to post a couple of videos on the thread about the last race: on the "in car" video I am lazy shifting the trans at only 8,000rpm on our first shakedown run, but listen to the shifts in the "rear cam" video from a full out 9300rpm shifted pass... the shifts on the 101A are effortless and stupid fast. Just my two cents...
Kix
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Kix, those are clean shifts. Great talking to you. Lets talk on Tuesday.
Here is a bumper cam shot, I run a lot farther to the left. If I straddle the white line my wheels tend to unload. It happened in Dennis's truck last October too. Now I ride way to the left and the 3/4 mark bump is no where near as bad. The car has a D ring welded to the center member. The zip tie came loos and that is what you hear rattleing. Sounds like a bucket of bolts coasting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWkGK7yFsus
Bill
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Bill,
I am with Kix the Liberty is way over kill for what we do and how we do it.
The Tex 101A is your very best bet.. and set up ready to go is under $3,000 with Billet Shifter.
Why pull the motor and Dyno? The Motor is doing well,,, only the trans is hurting you a bit at Maxton,, at Loring and Bonneville the lazy or clunky shifts will not have as dramatic effect as they do at Maxton...
I understand missing Maxton in June to get new trans and shifter in,,, but don't miss Loring.. that 1.5 miles will give you good data for high gear pulls...
Get a Tex and get your butt to Loring in July.
Charles
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Charles, you are right. I am going to do everything I can to get to Loring.
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Bill, I will spec out and price a close ratio slick shifting Tex T101A for you.
I should have info by Wednesday.
Charles
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Charles, thanks you are always so helpful. I bought a Tex 101A today. Playing with some ratios and gears this weekend and will call the guy to tell him how to set it up on Monday.
We are fabing up the new switch mounts, chute handle now. I am also going to reinforce the cage in a few areas and add some gussets.
Bill
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Ok, I now have a TEX 101A for the 2100...thanks Kix! The seller, Doug, is a great guy and will basically set it up any way I would like. Now the question is what gear sets do I start with? and how much gear will the little 302 pull with a 28" tire? The spread sheet says with a 1:1 4th @ 7,900 rpm, i will need around a 3:00 or taller to have an opportunity to run the number needed to qualify for a record run at Bonneville. Currently the transmission has a 2.18 1st, 1.65 2nd, 1.38 3rd and 1:1. Any thoughts?
Bill
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Bill did you get the T101A from Doug in Mooresville NC ?
Also that ratio seems off a bit,, the first gear is kinda tall 2.18? I prefer at least a 2.6 to 3.2 first gear. the other 3 gears seem ok for your cu.in. and HP,,, I have a closer ratio for 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 shifts as I have less cu in and HP in the E motor.
as far as the rear gear.. I miss read the gear # and put a 2.67 rear gear in my Stude last meet for my last 2 runs on Sunday,, I pulled it just needed more track as rpm was still pulling at finish but was 900 rpms below redline,, so I know that would be a good Loring or Bonneville Gear. You have more HP than I do,, so a 2.92 should be your final gear for B'ville and around a 3.05 to 3.13 for Loring (but if you could only use one gear for all all 3 tracks, I would go 3.0 as a good start)
Charles
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Remember you are going to running at 4-8000 da :-o at B'ville is there any way you can get around 1.20 for a 3rd for a 3.60 FDR
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Remember you are going to running at 4-8000 da :-o at B'ville is there any way you can get around 1.20 for a 3rd for a 3.60 FDR
My 3rd gear ratio is a 1.23 so I don't drop to many rpms from 3rd to 4th shift. I guess bigger motors can take the drop from 3 to 4 shift,, I know I can not take a 30 point drop.
Charles
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Charles, yes Doug sold me a 101A. I will call him and he will set the gearing up as I need it.
Sparky, thanks for the input, I will ask Doug is I can get a 3rd ratio that you suggested.
Last question, Safety Film for the glass windows. Is there a specific product out there it is the clear heavy mill UV blocker we sell at the dealership for people who dont want "tinted" glass?
thanks, Bill
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Cage updates almost done. One question...on the containment seat, we updated the head support on the left hand side to the new SCTA requirement with a Kirkey full containment. Are the restraints required to attach to the cage if it is a Kirkey seat?
Bill
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Bill if you can grab the lateral head restraints and shake the car you are ok,, if you grab them and shake and they deflect more than a half inch and the car does no rock, then you will need to add some sort of brace or strut to stiffen them,,, from the looks of the install you are just fine as it is..
Nice progress,,, looks like you will make Loring ???
Charles
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Thanks Charles...
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Bill, the restraints and seat should be attached to the cage. You want them to move together in the event of an accident.
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Ok Mike, will do.
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hey bill, looking pretty good. i envy the guy that runs bv this year. good talking to ya too. we'll talk more later.
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Hey Bill...your car is the cover of Bonneville Racing News. Lookin good!!!
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Joe:
Thanks, Jeff Bals ASalt called me and told me that. Naturally I hooked up for a subscription. Sorry we are going to miss Maxton next week but the #2100 is apart getting ready for Bonneville.
Thanks,
Bill
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Joe:
Thanks, Jeff Bals ASalt called me and told me that. Naturally I hooked up for a subscription. Sorry we are going to miss Maxton next week but the #2100 is apart getting ready for Bonneville.
Thanks,
Bill
Hello Bill,
I was glad to see your car on the cover of issue #159 - we've been waiting for it to come out. Wendy was really great to put John's Geezer article in. Ben Herr, our #1 Geezer, loves the BRN. I just got my subscription as well. Really great stuff!
We'll be following your trip to Bonneville - we plan to build a bigger bullet for the Express and go next year. Or maybe the year after if a race series breaks out in Ohio...!
All the best to you,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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Geezer Racing:
Thanks for the kind words. You guys had a fast car at the last Maxton event. I really like your car. What motor is in it?
A lot of things to do to get the car finished but I have a lot of help and we will some how get it all done. We are going to stop in Nashville and pick up Kixmiller's black Sanoma and take it with us. It will be great to have someone with some experience working out of our trailer. Lord knows we need all the advice we can get.
At first I was concerned about Ohio and it being so far away but if it is a good smooth and wide facility then it will be worth the tow.
Bill
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Hey Bill,
Our Express is running a blown 383 sbc that had spent the last 15 seasons in a hot boat. Ben always said that it couldn't be beat 0-100 ( on water!)Anyway, one more event in Loring and its being retired. We'll be watching the oil pressure closely.
We're really hoping for a venue in Ohio - we'll be all about contesting the series if its "only" 6 hours away.
Best to you,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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Finally got a release bearing I thing will work. A tilton 61-402. It will bolt to the Lakewood bell housing and work with the TEX 101A. All my parts will be here by Friday. The car will be back from the Chassis Shop on Friday. SO while my buds are running at Maxton, I will be thrashing wishing I was there.
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The 2100 is getting some updates...
Prepping for Bonneville
roll cage updates
new switches up top where I can see them
5.5" clutch with button flywheel
To do list
- Rewire
- Race Pak
- Install TEX 101A
- Drive Shaft
- Build a 3:00 and a 2:80 gear
- Push truck
I hear there is a lot of water on the SALT...anyone have any info on the salt?
Bill
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Bill too early to tell. It was perfect in 2009 one week before WOS and as we pulled into Wendover it rained like crazy. Monday morning there was 6 inches on the track.We did tech on the road prior to land's end and on Wed. the wind and sun cleared the track and we raced. I think it is always a crap shoot. Good luck its alot of fun.
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Bill, I'll add another note of support to Bob (Redcather)'s mention of conditions of the salt. Here's the easy thing to do: Go ahead and finish your preps for the event, and then hit the road so you get to Bonneville in time. And - important thing here -- make sure you list your phone number so you can get "the" call during your trip to Wendover. A handful of years ago Nancy and I were in the east-central part of Nebraska when "the call" got to us - so we turned around. In fact -- we got about 6 calls within fifteen minutes, telling us that the meet had been cancelled. Your fellow racers will help you out here -- don't have even one thought about driving any further than where you are when you get word.
And - conditions out there change very rapidly, so listen to every bit of information that you can find - and then hope like crazy that the race will go on as scheduled.
I hope that helps your planning. See you on the salt.
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Just got the new switch panel and fire pulls in and painted. The cage and seat are done. Now I can wire it up and install the RacePak. I will get it running again then change out the drive line. Then finish the new rear spoiler. Slow but steady.
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Sounds like it's coming along well man. We have the sonoma partly took apart for a new rear gear, window film and some other things. Were you guys thinking about some high altitude dyno time before hitting the salt? I think it would be a good idea for us and any carbed car.
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Have not thought about it...do you know one that is out there?
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There are several in salt lake as far as I know. I looked into it last year. I was gonna give them a call but since the truck is going with you guys we can only do it if you are interested too.
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I have a name and number for a shop with Dyno in SLC... I can not find it now,, but when I get back from Loring I will look.... I called and talked to them about tuning at there altitude and they very willing to give data for starting points,,
Talk soon,
Charles
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Thanks Charles. We have a contact, sort of, at STS turbos and I understand they rent out their dyno. I will give them a call if their is any interest.
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That sounds good. Let me know when and we can make sure the truck is there.
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Ok so I spoke with Turbo Lab in Orem, Utah. They are $95 per hour to use their dyno so that is pretty good. We charge $125 an hour here at our shop in Nashville!! He said to give him 3 days warning before we come so once we are sure that Bonneville is a go then we can set up an appointment.
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We are in that will work for us.
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Ok good. As of now it looks like they are holding off on course prep for Bonneville. Too wet on the salt. I was in Utah about a week ago and there is still alot of snow in the mountains and it has been raining. Not looking good for speedweek.
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So now it looks like a go. Bill when were you planning on arriving in Utah? We were hoping to get there on the 12th. So maybe we can meet you at the dyno shop on the 12th?
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i will be there on the 10th, the truck should already be there by then.
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It took a lot longer than I expected but the 2100 is wired up and running again. New RacePak dash replaces the gauges. Switches and fire pulls relocated. Added a third fire bottle. Now working on the the spoiler changing it from design one to the alternate design. Some work on the hood scoop to seal the carberators. Build a couple of 9" ford center sections. Change a few tires on the rig, a shopping trip for tarps and misc. pit supplis and we are ready to head west.
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Well the spoiler is done. The deck was easy the side panels without an English wheel were hard. So in a "Monster Garage" kind of way I rolled them on a small fire bottle to get the two curves. I will definitely redo them over the winter.
Now all that is left this weekend is to install the 3:50 gear for my initial and short course runs. Seal the hood scoop and a good clean up.
Next inventory and pack the trailer.
Bill
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Bill, I think the secret of becoming a "regular" Bonneville racer is making the inventory check in your head -- while on the way out to the salt (from home, of course). You'll think of stuff that didn't strike you as needed. And you'll discover lots more stuff that you should have/could have taken once you're done with the racing for the week. At least then it's easy -- that's when (on the way home) we DO make a list of stuff for next time. Just don't do like me -- and lose said list before packing the rig the a return to Bonneville.
Jon -- busy trying to get the pit bike running. It ran just fine a few months ago when taken out of winter storage. Now what's the problem?
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Looking good Bill,,, have a safe trip and keep us posted..
Good luck.
Charles
(wish I was going with you)
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Jon:
Well said, I blame most of my shortcomings on my missing lists! I know our first will be an eye opener. I hope to bring more things to lend than I need to barrow. That to me would be a great first trip. And returning with all the rods still in the block would be nice too.
It's seems the only pit vehicles we can use are our rentals and push trucks. I take it no golf carts or scooters.
Bill
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Golf carts and scooters ARE ALLOWED - no questions. The restriction is mostly because of the difficulty in seeing a low-to-the-ground go kart or such. We ride our Honda Elite (80 cc) pit bike all the time, and no less than JoAnn Carlson (SCTA secretary and the REAL boss of the organisation) rides in her golf cart.
The speed limit in the pits is posted as 5 mph. While you won't be tested with a radar gun or something -- the idea is to go very slowly. Race vehicles being moved are pretty much slow targets that don't steer well and therefore can't get out of your way. The pits are loaded with pedestrians. If you need to get someplace faster -- use one of the three or four pit access exits to the frontage road - where you're allowed up to about 25 MPH.
Slow and careful is the by-word, got it?
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No Mini bikes, go carts or low profile vehicles of any kind. crew vehicles require a crew pass. a tall flag on the pit rides is a big help for visibility. No riding in the back of pick ups or on trailers.
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Loaded and ready to go. Truck leaves tonight at 11 PM. Makes a stop in Nashville to pick up one sick MMP. Then on to Wendover.
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Bill,
I sure hope you and Kix have a great time and do real well out on the salt.
Make us all proud !!!
See ya soon and keep us updated when you have time.
Charles
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Thanks, will do.
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Loaded and ready to go. Truck leaves tonight at 11 PM. Makes a stop in Nashville to pick up one sick MMP. Then on to Wendover.
Hello Bill,
All of us at Geezer Racing want to second Charlie Venable! Have a great trip, fast and safe!
Our Best Wishes To You,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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Thanks for the well wishes. I think we are going with some good guys and several friends are meeting us to help. A couple I have never met face to face. Land Racing is a great community of racers, builders and fans. It will be good to step on the salt for the first time.
thanks again,
I will post in the evenings.
Bill
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Heard you had a little tranny trouble over MontEagle mountain. Hope everything turns out ok.
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Yes, we did. The truck is at the volvo shop in Nashville . Did not se to be anything mechanical. Error code says it is a shifter solenoid. Maybe that is not too bad. We will see .
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Have a really good meet. Stay away from the tables and the 7 layer Chocolate cake.
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Yes sir! :)
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We are here at the shop hoping they fix the rig soon. We just stickered the truck. Hope we can load up soon
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(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/P1030941.jpg)
Loading up for Bonneville and looking forward to pitting with you guys
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Ecellent. Send me a pm and I will send you my phone number
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I wish you a safe and FAAST trip.
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No news yet on Bill in his #2100 Camaro,,, I am sure they made it to the salt ?? I saw that the Kix's truck made a few short course passes on Saturday ?
UPDATES PLEASE
Charles
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I have gone thru all the pictures I can find and all the run Logs posted so far and haven't seen the orange Camaro. I don't know. Jim and Keith are out there maybe they will post somthing.
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Bill visited the SSS pit today to get some t-shirts (since his car is on the shirt) -- and to tell me about how the driveshaft went all kaflooey and broke. He's got a fix coming, and also was looking for a Tremec to put into the car. He asked, being new to Bonneville, how to go about asking on the radio or CB for some help or a tranny - so I suggested that he just grab the microphone and ask, during a quiet time -- or go to the CB radio tower down at the 4 1/2, where Glen Barrett is holding forth, and have Glen ask. Sure enough, about ten minutes later - Glen made the announcement. I don't know if Wheelerdealer got his stuff fixed yet -- but he's here and has started having fun the Bville way -- running, breaking parts (well, not really fun but it IS part of the game), and learning how we all help one another. Welcome to the salt, Bill.
When I hear more I'll keep you updated.
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Looks like # 2100 did a 170 MPH pass. Also Found Money is in Inpound
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Good news on Monday the 2100 was doing 191 and still pulling getting my B license. Bad news is it broke the drive shaft and took the transmission with it. We are shopping for a trans and will have a drive shaft made. So far the car drives straight and handles decent. I need a 94-97 model 5-Speed BorgWarner out of an LT1 Camaro if someone has one within a few hundred miles of Wendover.
Drive Shaft $$$
Transmission $$$
191 MPH at Bonneville PRICELESS!
Bill
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Bill, glad you are OK and glad you made a pass.
Good luck on another tranny and driveshaft..
(note to self,,, bring extra tranny and drive shaft to Bonneville in 2012)
Keep us posted,,,, we are getting ready for a 200+ run at Maine in September,,, big C motor is getting redone... little C just did not have the HP needed to beat it's 188 mph best... so putting in big brother,
Charles
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Bill I checked Ebay and racing junk no luck. Call two guys in IA who have racecars for sale. No luck on getting there transmissions. I am sure you have looked in Salt Lake? If you want I have an in- law that lives in SLC that could do some leg work if you need?I could ask> LOts of stuff in L.A. over night is cheaper than coming home
Bob
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Charles, sorry been very busy. Got a new drive shaft yesterday had to take it back today they made it 1 inch too short. Matt welded the transmission ears back on the case. We took the tranie apart and did not see any internal damage. We installed the transmission this afternoon. We will finish it tomorrow morning. New fore bottles will be at the hotel about 10am... We should be on the salt in line by 1:00. The first goal was just to get to Bonneville, Second goal was to break 200 MPH. If everything checks out we will try for the deuce tomorrow. It was pulling to 191 at 7,200 rpm by 2.3/4 when the shaft broke. I think we can get 9 miles an hour out of her for my "A" license. Last goal learn as much as I can.
Mike and Al in tech were great... I learned a lot from them. I really appreciated their experience.
This was definitely worth the effort. Everyone has been very helpful. Met Linda and Jon, and a bunch of forum folks.
Bill
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Bill, it was really good to meet you and get to check out your car. I bet that was a ride when the drive shaft let go. Good luck today I hope you get that 200. Thanks for the shirts and remember Bill don't be a puss "Go for it " lol. Gary @ Pat. Car # 630
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It may be posted somewhere but as I recall I think he did get the 200+ run.
In the SCTA results I found a 187 on Thursday. That may have been his best.
Turned out at 4 1/4
FREUD
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200.739 GREAT JOB BILL
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yep, Bill was very tenacious this week and overcame more obstacles than anyone should have to. He and the crew used a little humpty dumpty magic and put back together some pieces that should have been in the trash bin and got out there and ran 200mph! Hard work DOES pay off!
I pushed Bill off the line and followed down the coure a little...I have to say that little D motor sounds darn wicked at speed! He ran 200 average over mile 4 and it was still winding up but was on the rev limiter.... so it still has more to come!
Kix
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It was a great week at Bonneville. So many people helped us. But yes we did get a time slip for an "a" license. it peaked at 204 per the gps at 8200 with a 3:50 and a 28 in tire. We had so many other issues we did get to run the 3:33. We only ran 4 miles.
All-in-all I am satisfied we learned a lot, over came some obstacles and went 200. Met a lot of cool people.
Kix you guys had an awesome weekend. Congratulations on a great running truck that was well engineered and built. The drivers weren't too bad either!
Now it's time to get all of the salt out of the 2100's wounds and get ready for Maxton.
Thanks to everyone for their help and support.
Bill
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Would like to go to Maxton but my rig is still in pieces in TN . The repair estimate is almost as much as I paid for the whole truck! Even with Kix's buddy Daryl getting me some help on then parts and labor. Tues I will try and get a wholesale price as-is. Then I can buy a 26' box trailer and pull it with my 2500 Silverado. I have all year to find something to haul the big trailer to Speedweek next year. I won't make the Sept Maxton but will be at the Oct event if I have to use the open trailer!
Bill
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Bill,
If I remember correctly your Silverado is a Duramax... if so it will sure pull a 26 foot box trailer.. But if you are going to get a new trailer.. why not opt for a 36 foot goose neck,, it will have 28 feet in the floor and 8 foot of storage up top,,, It will pull and park much better.. and the overall nose to tail length vs the tag trailer is not much more,,, Mine is 40 foot long and is no problem to pull.
Talk to you soon.
Charles
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Buy the trailer rent the tractor from Ryder!!!
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Sparky you are correct, my math shows I could rent the Ryder for the next six trips to Bonneville for what this one trip cost with my own truck. Not knocking the Volv 670 or the Cummins power plant my issue came from poor workmanship allowing o-ring material to enter the oil sysytem from the oil cooler. The o-ring ruber lodged in the #4 piston oil squirter and # main bearing. I have two estimates, long block $26k and short block $18k that is assuming a $5500 core charge is not needed. If the core is bad I can raise my estimate by $5500. I am now trying to get the tractor transported to my shop in Tampa where we have a few more options.
Charles, my Siverado is a 2500 not a 3500. Not sure if goose neck is the way for me to go.
Bill
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I can't speak about hauling cars, but I've hauled a bunch of horses over the years. Once you've used a gooseneck, you won't ever want a tag-a-long again. With the load bearing over the truck's axle and the places you can maneauver the trailer into --- heaven.
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Well said. Thanks,
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If you are getting a fifth wheel trailer I'd suggest a long box truck, or be sure that the rig can be turned sharply without the front corner of the trailer taking out the back window of the truck. That will usually happen with a short box. I know this from experience. :-o :-o :-D
Pete
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PJ, I agree,,, the main concern is bed lenght..
when using a fifth wheel or ball type gooseneck hitch if you have a bed/box less that 8feet,,, you need to get the offset hitch to keep the actual trailer box further back.
the 2500 duramax will pull the 32 to 36 foot gooseneck very well the box length is the concern.. and to a lesser extent the max weight... as the 2500 has a decent gvwr and towing capacity,,,
Charles
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Well I sold the Volvo 670 today...It was a blood . My $36k truck needed a $26k long block! The good news is there is enough out of the wholesale of the tracktor to buy a nice enclosed trailer. Not too nice but nice enough.
The oringinal 2100 was buillt by Mark Alongi who passed away before he got to Bonneville. When I bought the car I told Hal, Mark's best friend, that I would run the car as Mark left it at Speedweek 2011. Hal came out to see it run and I think it helped him to know that their project made it to the salt. For 2012 my plan is to make some changes based on what I learned and what I learn every day reading this forum.
At Speedweek we were able to peak at 204 with a D naturally asperated motor that was down a hole due to a ring seal issue and running extremely rich on a 3:50 gear in 4th gear 1:1 at 8,384 RPM. We later found out the motor had a cast crank so we may have dodged a bullet. The D CGALT record is 234+ the D/CBGALT is 223. It seems to me that with either a turbo or blower set up we would have a better shot at 223 than the CGALT D record of 234. So the decission has been made the car will run CBGALT with a D motor. The car did drive good and straight although at 200+ it felt like it coud use some more weight, it never moved arond like it wanted to spin. Even on the windy day it seem to run straight. The in car confims little to no steering input.
After readying Jeff's build diary called 1973 camaro AA/CGC I really learned some ways to upgrade my car's cage and engineering, Hey, Jeff "imitation" (aka coping your design) is the finest form of flattery :)
The 2100 is almost totally disassembled and I am still finding lumps of salt in places I never thought it could get. The motor is apart, the heads are at the machine shop getting freshened. The first order of business will be to remove the firewall, install new brake/clutch peddles that hang vs floor mounted and a linkage throttle. Then some plate under the driver and trans tunnel. Notch the firewall to allow some engine setback. Add some additional cage bars, gussets and areas to add weight.
In the next few days I will set up a "Re-Build" diary for the 2100.
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Bill, good luck on the rebuild,,,Keep me posted on the motor upgrade....
Turbo (carb in a box or bonnet ? ) or going with a Blower ? Roots or Centrifugal ?
Charles
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Charles...don't know yet
I think a turbo would give me the most power with the least paracidic drag and a low hood. If I did a belt drive it would be a centrifical...although you can't beat the look or sound of a roots!
Matt and his brother Jay are kicking around some ideas.
Since I will have most of the floor cut out I may go ahead and cut the trunck floor too. To make room for a quick change and lower the fuel cell.
Lots of plans so little time.
Bill
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I agree with the Quick Change rear end...
If you need something just hollar,,,
I will be at PRI in December
Charles
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Charles, I priced those Winters rear ends at Speedway...they are a little rich for my needs.
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Why not try somewhere like Racingjunk.com? There are other sale and auction sites.
Pete
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Bill, I'm contemplating pulling the quick change from my firebird to switch to a fab-9 that would handle 2khp. It's set up with a built in cooler/filter pump and I just have an oberg filter on it right now. Also I have truck arms on my car but you can change it to leaf springs or whatever. Something to think about...
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/rearend002.jpg)
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Bill, you should look into buying rev's QC pictured and posted here.
If not want used one,,, call Joe Timney... I bought mine from him with all the good stuff.. 35 spline axles etc.. his prices are fair and drop shipped to you.
Rev.. if Bill does not buy your QC.... shoot me a PM with the details and price.. I amy be interested,,, But PLEASE give Bill first chance to buy it,,,
Charles
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Rev, just sent you an email on the QC.
Thanks Charles, I was going to call Joe for his price just checking online on a Sunday to find out what full retail $$ is!
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Rev, can you send me a PM with your email? The one I sent from your profile bounced back. I'll send my phone number.
Bill
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Just something you might want to consider ( I am doing it on my friends Firebird) is to build a quick change to the back of the transmission. If you use sprint car gears you can change in 1.5% increments and dial in your transmission to the power band. Tony
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Tony, interesting idea. Do you have any photos...not sure of how to set up a quick change set on a trans.
Charles, also, I have this TEX 101A but since I am not going to do any one mile events and just Bonneville I am thinking of using another 5-speed. I have not totally made up my mind. Also I called you on Sat. your spoiler, I am thinking about changing mine to your style. The wrap around that I built is not what I want. Would like to build some adjustment to it. Keith told me to run 14 degrees but mine was set at zero when I built it. I had no handling problems but I just don't like the look. I had to rush it to make the August date.
Bill
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Bill, I am interested in the Tex Tranny,, also I loaned my spolier template to Roddy,, I will make sure to get it back and mail a copy to you when I get it back.
Or I would be glad to get you close up pics if that will help you,,,
My spolier is 15 degrees... I have 0, 15, 30 and 45 degree spolier lips in 1 inch and 2 inch wide setups
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Bill, I don't have any pictures but its the same principle as a "V" drive. Depending on the transmission you are using, you can replace the tail cone and fabricate the unit to fit there. I am currently working on one to fit the back of a Liberty 5 speed and as soon as I have enough to show, I will post some pictures. Tony
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QC on the trans has been done before. Back in the day when I crewed for Esslinger in the MT Stadium series, one of my tasks was the gear changes. For the life of me I can't remember how it was done on the back of the Art Carr C4, but it sure was there in lieu of the tail shaft and housing, and pretty easy changes at that. Back then I was skinny enough to slide under the truck with no jacking.
(Of course stadium trucks did sit pretty high).
Boy, am I grateful for good memory...........
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Rick.... not sure I believe you.
The skinny part.
:-D
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Bill...it was great working with you at SW. I hope to get shots of the car at speed next year...high speed!
I feel yer pain on the driveshaft issue. Mine let go at 137 at World of Speed...along with the pinion yoke. Not quite as dramatic as yours, but it still twisted a Denny's "unbreakable, untwistable" piece. I need to get it boxed up and sent back to 'em. I also have holes in the floor pans; fortunately not in the transmission tunnel cuz when the shaft was flailing around it broke the slip joint and apparently that prevented the transmission from joining the other parts in the "Offerings to the Gods of Speed" pile...and the holes are just about the size of the u-joint caps. One of the things I'll be doing over the winter is installing a rear driveshaft loop to prevent the shaft from beating on everything under the car just in case it should happen again.
My tow vehicle (my 95 Burb) also rolled over and died, but that was in the middle of "Lake Bonneville" at what would have been World Finals. Turns out that the reluctor pickup coil picked that time to open up, possibly in an attempt to redefine Suburban as Submarine (thanks to Land's End Lynda for that alliteration.) Photos from that event are here (I just got 'em on the server yesterday: 10/11/11): http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2011/05-wf/Welcome.html I added a caption to almost every photo to explain the goings on.
So now I'm looking for a Buick Grand National or Turbo Regal 8.5" rear end to replace the 7.5" that's still under the car. I'd love to do a manual transmission swap, but I've got a buncha money in the TH200-4R and my racing budget was nuked by everything from May thru September. The WoS photos are here: http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2011/03-wos/pix/Welcome.html
Here are a coupla pix of my carnage.
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What's this? No credits to the photographer on the three shots I took?
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What's this? No credits to the photographer on the three shots I took?
Could it be cuz I had Pork Pie's shots from his Canon 5D instead? I appreciated yours...especially the "boat races" but I woulda had to enlarge 'em and lose even more resolution. :cry:
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Oh. But aren't you the guy that tells me to shoot smaller files? And so when I do -- I get hassled 'cause I didn't. I can't win with you professional guys. . . :?
Sorry to tease you 'bout the credits.
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I have a few ex-wives. I'm used to being hassled. :)
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Bill, PM sent
Charles, if it doesn't work out with Bill, I'll get with you
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I am in. Sent phone number via PM.
Bill
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Charles they have another quick change at that auction I am going to next week before Maxton. If you can make it, it will probably be a great deal on it, or if you'd like I can try and get it for you and bring it to Maxton with me. Just tell me how much you would pay and I will bid on it.
Here is a picture in the top right corner.
http://www.mcsauctions.com/mcs1_014.htm
Details here...
http://www.mcsauctions.com/mcs1_011.htm
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I may go to the auction (it is a rather small auction),,, I will be in the area, so may swing by.
Charles
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Charles, what are you putting the QC in?
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Yeah they usually do three days but 1500 items in 2 days is still alot.
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Got the QC from Revolutionary and I am currently going through it.
Just ordered new Disc Calipers... the salt just eats them up, new bearings and seals
Cut of the Firebird spring purches. Repalced all of the non-grade 8 bolts with stainless. New filter element and hoses...it has an diff oil pump that runs off the front of the housing and through a filter. new SS brake lines.
A good pressure cleaning and a coat of clear enamal and it will be read to fit into the 2100.
By the way, the people at Winters Quick Change could not be nicer to deal with. Give them the searial number and they will tell you everything you need to know.
The cylinder heads are done, the new SS headers are built. waiting on a crank and pistons.
The car is at the chassis shop getting a new cage in a cage and a .125 floor., new fire firewall. Also new weight adjustments. Boxing the trunk fllor for the QC, new fuel cell.
Then it should come home and get rewired and motor/trans installed.
Bill
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Bill you sure have been busy,,, Where are the pics of all this work and new hardware ?
Charles
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Got the QC from Revolutionary and I am currently going through it.
Just ordered new Disc Calipers... the salt just eats them up, new bearings and seals
Cut of the Firebird spring purches. Repalced all of the non-grade 8 bolts with stainless. New filter element and hoses...it has an diff oil pump that runs off the front of the housing and through a filter. new SS brake lines.
A good pressure cleaning and a coat of clear enamal and it will be read to fit into the 2100.
By the way, the people at Winters Quick Change could not be nicer to deal with. Give them the searial number and they will tell you everything you need to know.
The cylinder heads are done, the new SS headers are built. waiting on a crank and pistons.
The car is at the chassis shop getting a new cage in a cage and a .125 floor., new fire firewall. Also new weight adjustments. Boxing the trunk fllor for the QC, new fuel cell.
Then it should come home and get rewired and motor/trans installed.
Bill
You should put a c motor in that car and have some fun!!!!!! :-D
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Charles, I will put some pictures up. I have the Quick Change on the east coast (FL) and Robert Coady, Catagory 5 Races Cars has the Car on the west coast (FL). I am waiting on pictures of the chassis up dates. My motor is in the que at Matt's shop. there is a Toyota NASCAR motor and a Ford Nitros Motor ahead of me. That gives me time to decide turbo or centrifical. After your thoughts of plumbing an intercooler. It would be a lot faster build with a centrifical and a blow through carb, 8 to 10 psi and no intercooler. You always get me thinking Charles!
As for the "C" motor, I am thinking of buying one and sticking it in for the spring Wilmington. Then Matt and Jay can take their time on the "D" R&D/Dyno the most HP they can get out of it before Speedweek. Seems perfectly reasonable to go out buy and install a new motor over a $50 bet. :)
I have an ambitous business calendar this year which may interfere with my racing plans.
Bill
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Mike:
I am working on the "C". What I need is the time!
Thanks,
Bill
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Bill,,, I have 7 good pistons left for my C motor !!! LOL :cheers:
Talk to you soon,
Charles
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Bill,,, I have 7 good pistons left for my C motor !!! LOL :cheers:
Talk to you soon,
Charles
I'm sure after ten years of land speed racing i've got plenty of spairs too! That your welcome to also, Bill.
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Undersog,
Thanks for the offer. If I get the chassis done, I would have to buy/barrow/rent a C motor. I have no time to build one.
Billl
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I have to tell you the people at Winters Performance are the best. They are so helpful, they call you back even when I am asking questions about a 1995 model QC.
Bill
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Quick Change is almost ready, waiting on some lug nuts. I will get my M/T Drag Radials mounted on the Nascar wheels just to roll it around. I will need new rear 4.5" rear rims with a 5 on 5 5/8th bolt pattern. Then it is a 3.5 hour drive to the shop where the car is to drop it off. I am supposed to get some pictures on the new cage but none as of today. I will get some pictures when I drop off the QC.
Bill
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Hey Bill
Are you still selling that T101 you bought? If so please give me a call when you have a minute.
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I think I am going to keep and run the Tex 101A provided Daryl's quick change fits. I had thought about running a 5 speed but with the QC I dont think I will need it.
The QC is almost ready to install. Waiting on 5/8 Fine Thread lug nuts from Speedway.
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Sweet looks good Bill
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Rev
I know, it is simple and fun to work on. The Winter's people are really helpful. It was originally installed in an IROC Firebird in 1995 according to Winters. I will make sure it fits and then I have four 9" Diffs with spools and gears and a complete 9" rear end to sell.
Bill
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Rev
I know, it is simple and fun to work on. The Winter's people are really helpful. It was originally installed in an IROC Firebird in 1995 according to Winters. I will make sure it fits and then I have four 9" Diffs with spools and gears and a complete 9" rear end to sell.
Bill
You'll be happy you stuck with the Tex!
Let me know on the diffs!
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Glad it looks like it is working out, Bill. I know I keep dragging my heels on sending those other gears out but I WILL DO IT!
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Rev.
no problem, the QC is in Parkland, FL, the chassis is in Zepherhills, FL and the motor is in LandOLakes, FL. I am not sure I will run any events until Bonneville or the last Wilmington event.
Bill
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So that motor will be like butta when its finished? eh eh eh
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Hopefully is runs a smooth as butter. Hey I did not name the town...my motor guy just lives there.
Bill