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Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials => Bville Motorcycle Speed Trials Rules Questions => Topic started by: Mobile Welder on December 10, 2010, 07:13:26 PM
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I'm sure it's on here somewhere,but its a big site and i'm new here. I have a 1998 Triumph sprint Executive that I want to run next year at BUB. I've seen photo's of people running with their saddlebags on(hard-bags),like I have on my sprint.Can i leave them on and use them as # plates? And do you need a steering damper at bub like you do at scta? Thanks.
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A good quality steering damper in working order is absolutely a good idea for personal safety. It is required by the rules, too.
There are a wide range of opinions about saddle bags on LSR bikes. Personally, I use them on the street and I take them off when I race.
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But to answer your question, yes you can run your bags at the Bub... they have a bagger class I think
Definitely run a damper
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The steering damper is the most important thing you need. Otherwise you learn the real and true meaning of wiggle, wobble, speed wobble, and tank slapper. Did I mention the salt is a really good sand paper?
I watched a guy doing wheelies on a Honda 90 in a motel parking lot. He was wearing swim trunks. When he bailed he got a huge road rash. The next day at the end of qualifying everybody that wasn't doing record runs made a dash for the salt dyke to go swimming. Including that guy. It really is true what salt in a wound does.
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Salt is really good at cauterizing road rash so you don't bleed as much. It's a lot better than dirt, cement or asphalt if you have a choice. And if you have hit hard enough, you don't even notice the salt sting (or whatever you call it). Once the salt melts out you need to put something else over the rash. I hope this is helpful.
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Trust me.I've crashed alot.lol I raced speedway for 3 years in the 80's and D.G. is pretty good sandpaper too. Where can i find a current/semi current ruls book? where is a place to stay by Bonneville?
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Mobile!
Go here.
http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/index-2010.html
(http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/index-2010.html)
If you have any questions give them a call. Ask for Delvine or Linnea.
Bob
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Ya,thanks. i've been there for years.Do you need a tether kill switch at bub too?
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Mobile,
Yes you need a tether as well as dozens of other rule-related things.
The best thing for you to do is to read the 2010 rules. The 2011 rules will be out sometime around spring next year.
Here is a link to the 2010 AMA rules: http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/AMA-BonSR%27s-2010.pdf (http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/AMA-BonSR%27s-2010.pdf)
Read the rule book and then ask here for anything that is not clear. We will do our best to confuse things.
Don
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Don,thanks for the link.I'm not so good on the computer.I'm a welder.... :wink:I went there and will scouer it.Thanks.
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Ok. I've read the rules from 2010. And the rules for the run-what-ya-brung class. If i'm reading it right, In the RWB class you dont need a teather kill switch, just a kill switch you can reach without removing your hands from the handlebars. Can anyone confirm that,or if i'm incorrect,inform me where i miss interpreted that particular rule. Thanks.
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Why try to avoid the safety rules? They're there to save your butt.
Pete
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Who's trying to avoid safety rules? I'm trying to clarify what i'm reading.
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I may have been a little abrupt but it amazes me the number of people who try to avoid rules that are designed to save them in the event of an accident. The reason for the tether rule is that if you and the bike are unintentionally separated then the bike will automatically be shut off. In the last sentence I'm referring to your intentions, not the bike's, which may be exactly the opposite of yours. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Pete
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I know the reason for the teather rule.Why is it not in the rwb class rules? Thats what i'm getting at. I have raced at the professional leval and expert leval in Enduro,Hare-n-Hound,Speedway,trials(novice only there),And have been on a motorcycle since 1966. My father was a professional flat track racer.I am just trying to read the rules correctly.It doesnt mention the teather or a stabilizer in the rwb class,othere than you cant use a stabilizer as a turn-lock-stop. Is the rwb class an adendum to the record-classes? Thats all I'm trying to find out. Thanks for the advice.
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The RWB folks run on a shorter course with one mile to get up to speed, a timed mile, and a mile to slow down. They do not get records. It is assumed they will not be going really fast and there are not as many safety requirements as a bike and rider contesting an AMA or FIM record. It is an opportunity for a person to get some experience without making a big investment. It is not an addendum to the record classes in this respect - you do not need to meet all of the safety requirements of AMA or FIM plus the RWB requirements.
There is a form called a "Scrutineering Checklist." The scrutineer fills it out during tech inspection and it lists all requirements. We refer to it when we check our team bikes before we leave home. Perhaps a copy is available from BUB for RWB? This sheet will clarify what is needed.
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It seems that RWB had a 150 speed limit, most in the class ride in, it is the chance for anyone with a MC license to race on the Bonneville Salt Flats and get a time slip for their bike in a timed mile. It is cheap, entry level like the 130 club in the USFRA. Many RWB competitors return to run for AMA records.
Everyone remember, the rules are the minimum requirement, and it is your butt.
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Ok.That makes sense now.I am trying to retrofit my scott's steering damper of my YZ to my Triump Sprint.I will fab somthing up for the mounts.As for the teather kill switch ,I may or may not do that.I am safety wiring all the requiered items and more since I have alot of safety wire experience.(I'm also a mechanic at Boeing-C17 Long Beach Ca.) Thanks again for clearing this up. :cheers:
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There is an article about running in the BUB RWB class in this month's (January 2011) Rider magazine. The author, Clement Salvadori, rides his Triumph T-100 on the salt for the first time. There might be some good info in that article.
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Thanks wobbly.I'll check it out.
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You are running into the same thing I was last year. My dad ran RWB without a damper or a lanyard kill switch. Of course they are a good idea, but not required (last year). I haven't seen the new rules for 2011.
I put a scotts on my 125. It's pretty easy to mount it to the triple. I clamped the pin to the head tube. Just make sure your pin is long enough. If you are serious about leaving it on there, Scotts sells mounts you can weld to the frame that hold the pin.