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El Mirage => El Mirage General Chat => Topic started by: BurtonBrown on October 22, 2010, 04:04:36 AM
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I am looking for some help to run for a record at El Mirage.
We currently have the record in F/GT at ECTA and Bonneville.
The icing on the cake would be to have it at El Mirage at the same time.
I am a SCTA/BNI member already.
I am looking to see if someone can help get me into a club for the upcoming event in November weather permitting.
Realistically all I am really looking to do at this event is to get the rookie aspect done so next year I could make a stab at the record.
If anyone could help get me a pass in a car to satisfy the rookie deal that would be great. I am 2500 miles away and it would be difficult to pull all that way for the rookie deal.
Please give me a call if you can help!
Thanks
Burton Brown 920-585-0776
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Burton,
Getting you in to a club is the easy part, with the new Rookie orientation rules that are in place I am not sure if a rookie can set a record at their first El Mo event..get a hold of Nathan Stewart nathan_d_stewart AT yahoo.com and see what he says...
Good luck with your goal. :cheers:
John
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I am looking for some help to run for a record at El Mirage.
I am a SCTA/BNI member already.
I am looking to see if someone can help get me into a club for the upcoming event in November weather permitting.
Please give me a call if you can help!
Thanks
Burton Brown 920-585-0776
I am confused with your post. If you are an SCTA member you are already a member of one of the SCTA clubs unless you are an Associate SCTA member. If you are a BNI member that in itself does not mean you are automatically an SCTA member.
With that said, are you a SCTA member who is out of state and would like to hitch a ride with someone who already runs at El Mirage? So you can get your licensing out of the way for next year?
Please clarify.
Tom G.
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Yes I am an SCTA member but I understand from reading the El Mirage rules you must also be a member of another club.
I am looking to join this other club, help out with some duties as I understand and make a rookie pass. Ideally it would be in a car that all it has to do is satisfy the rookie portion. I understand the record part of not being able to set a record as a rookie.
I am really trying to set it up for next year where I will try to bump our record up at bonneville and hopefully set one at El Mirage in the same trip. It is a 2500 mile drive for me to El Mirage and it is difficult to justify hauling a car 5000 miles to make 1 pass for the rookie part.
Thanks
Burton
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You must be a member of an SCTA club in order to be an SCTA member
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Ok,
Then that is where the confusion comes from on my part. Sorry.
I thought when you have a membership in order to run at Bonneville and have licenses there, it was an SCTA membership. It must only be BNI. I am probably not the first to confuse this. SCTA and El Mirage events are run by SCTA (except world of speed) correct?
So I guess I need to read more. Anyway I will do that but still looking to see if it is possible to do whatever it takes to run for a record at El Mirage next year. I would like to get the rookie status out of the way at the November event if possible.
Burton
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You will be very lucky if someone let's you buckle up in there car. First, most racers don't get many chances to get good passes at Elmo. Second if they have never met you how can they trust you. Third, it is supposed to rain again next week there; so there may not be enough time to dry up. The only advantage you may have is that it is a two day meet and the run would be a low speed. Good luck on finding a ride. :cheers:
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I do understand. Can you run a street car as they do at the world of speed with a helmet/fire extinguisher for thr rookie run?
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Yes I am an SCTA member but I understand from reading the El Mirage rules you must also be a member of another club.
I am looking to join this other club, help out with some duties as I understand and make a rookie pass. Ideally it would be in a car that all it has to do is satisfy the rookie portion. I understand the record part of not being able to set a record as a rookie.
I am really trying to set it up for next year where I will try to bump our record up at bonneville and hopefully set one at El Mirage in the same trip. It is a 2500 mile drive for me to El Mirage and it is difficult to justify hauling a car 5000 miles to make 1 pass for the rookie part.
Thanks
Burton
Burton,
You cannot run a street car unless it meets all the safety rules for the class it fits in to however your rookie run can also be a motorcycle if you have one and are willing to make a few small changes to make it legal and safe..
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Burton,
The rookie sticker may stay on your helmet all weekend and you will need to license up as well...it will not be a one run and done affair..
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What is the record in the class you intend to run? If it's under 175 then it may be attainable with less rookie runs.
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OK,
What do you need to change on a mtorcycle?
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The current F/GT record is 158
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Burton, www.scta-bni.org log on and click on El Mirage tab. Then open the operating procedures
It's several pages long with all of the requirements for the running there,. BNI has different requirements for running on the salt. These are in the rule book. The new rule book won't be out until early 2011. The revised El Mirage operating procedures should be out before the first meet and the updates/changes will be posted on the web site as well.
Everyone wishes you well but a lot of things are different between the dry lake and at Bonneville.
To join a club each one has heir own bylaws. Not all allow out of state members because of duties the clubs pull at the events. Some clubs require that you attend up to three meetings before they vote on a new member.
:cheers:
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Thanks Glen,
I do have the procedures open and have been reading them. It seems to be more involved than either of the other two I have been at. (ECTA and Bonneville)
I have learned over the last 10+years that land speed racing is quite different than the late model stock cars I have been running the past 20 years or so.
Just doing it for fun, but now we have 5 records between ECTA and Bonneville and thought it might be neat to have the record (or attempt to) at El Mirage.
Anyway it doesn't seem like the stars are aligning yet, even mother nature is not being kind to the lake bed I hear.
I am pretty persistant and don't give up to easily though. So I will keep reading and seeing if I can fit in somewhere.
Thanks
Burton
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Remember, at El Mirage (and Bonneville), your car has to be what you say it is.
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Mr BACK, You need to practice what you preach.
You claim one of your Hot Rods is a MERCURY and it's at least eight years older than the very first Ford produced Merc.
WTF?
You're as bad as Blue explaining how he stopped using the term 60 years ago and yet he's only 48.
Hippo-crits!
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The Torpedo Salon was built by the same company that supplied the "Mercury" Model T speedster bodies in the '20's. Got the patent plate to prove it.
Stan
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Was the Torpedo Salon built by the Torpedo Saloon?
Yours in history,
FREUD
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Probably IN the Torpedo Saloon.
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Hey guys,
Wasn't trying to start any problems here. I believe my car passed tech several times at both Bonneville and ECTA getting this record. All I was loking for was some help with a rookie pass. Sorry if that caused any problems.
Burton
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Hey guys,
Wasn't trying to start any problems here. I believe my car passed tech several times at both Bonneville and ECTA getting this record. All I was loking for was some help with a rookie pass. Sorry if that caused any problems.
Burton
not at all, sometimes threads get sideways like roadsters without suspension. I can feel the repercusions coming. :-D
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BurtonBrown, just show up and see where the cards fall.
No-one will know until u look the tiger in the eye.
Our anticipations seldom match reality.
FREUD
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Hi Burton,
I'm not sure if a rookie pass would help you or not? If I remember correctly I believe the car is the rookie, not necessarily the driver. For instance you could have run 200+ at Elmo in a different car, but the car you will be running hasn't been proven to run on the dirt.
Anyone want to chime in on this one? :cheers:
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There are no rookie bikes or cars. Only drivers and riders can be rookies. In order to run at El Mirage, your first meet you will run as a rookie. You will license up the same as Bonneville. Once you've licensed up you can run anything you want...Roadster, motorcycle, lakester, truck..etc. The rating on the license has to match the record or minimum in the class you are running in. So if the record or the minimum is 151, you will need a C license even if you can only run 120. You don't have to be an SCTA member to run at El Mirage, you can run as a guest twice a year. No record, no trophy.
Sheri Buchta
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Thanks Sheri. :cheers:
Tell Willie to get well soon!
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I will plan on showing up. I have to buy my plane tickets now to get a better deal. Anyhow, hope mother nature doesnt ruin it. Otherwise I guess a guy can rent a Harley for the weekend and ride! The wife will probably enjoy that just as much. You just get different stuff in your teeth.
Burton
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Sounds like a fun idea. November may be a wash though... too soon to tell. Assuming good weather, I'd try to make your rookie runs in November. Keep in mind that you don't need to re-license at El Mirage if you already hold SCTA license obtained elsewhere (B-Ville). So, one rookie run and then you're able to run up to your existing license level. You can run your first event as a guest and figure out the club thing for 2011.
For the bike guys: what would keep someone from running a dirt bike? Just need to throw on some safety wire and a steering damper right?
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So,
If I were to run as a guest would this qualify as a rookie pass even if I am not in a club yet?
Burton
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If it were me I would contact the Race Director. Here is the information you need.
President, Don Ferguson III, contact at fergs57@aol.com
Tom G.
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Thanks Tom.
Will call tomorrow.
Burton
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"If I were to run as a guest would this qualify as a rookie pass even if I am not in a club yet? "
Nathan Stewart could probably make a call on this. He is usually lurking around here somewhere. Be nice to him - he will be your Rookie Supervisor.
Failing that, I'll get an answer for you tomorrow.
Mac
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Tom,
As previously stated you can run two meets a season as a guest. With guest status, you can attend Rookie Orientation, make a rookie pass and license. However you cannot accumulate points and cannot set records.
Scream if you need anything else.
Mac
miriammacmillan@me.com
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I fulfilled my rookie requirements before I was in a club...
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Tom,
As previously stated you can run two meets a season as a guest. With guest status, you can attend Rookie Orientation, make a rookie pass and license. However you cannot accumulate points and cannot set records.
Scream if you need anything else.
Mac
miriammacmillan@me.com
Miriam,
Earlier Paula posted on FB the November meet is done/canceled...can you confirm?
If so congrats to you for the SCTA car points championship (and high points earner) and to Dave for his bike points championship as well :cheers:
John
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Tom,
As previously stated you can run two meets a season as a guest. With guest status, you can attend Rookie Orientation, make a rookie pass and license. However you cannot accumulate points and cannot set records.
Scream if you need anything else.
Mac
miriammacmillan@me.com
Thanks for the information Miriam. I was aware of the Guest entry, but was unaware they could get an SCTA License without being a SCTA member.(I thought Guest speeds were limited to 125mph but could not find that anywhere)
That just seems strange to me. I guess what I am getting at is if a guest ran twice a year in a pretty fast car or bike they could have an A license yet not belong to a club. I don't like the liability with something like that.
Thanks again,
Tom G.
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Tom,
I asked about that too. Apparently a guest pass is around $200 per meet (don't quite me on the $$ amount, but around there somewhere) and a season pass for club members is $220. The $$ difference covers the insurance for the guest and the fact that the club member pulls duties etc..
Mac
P.S. Yes the meet is cancelled. Don't forget the Safety Seminar
9:30am Saturday November 13
Westminster Rose Center
14140 All American Way,
Westminster, CA 92683
(714) 793-1139