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Thrust-powered Land Speed information => Discussions on absolute land speed records => Topic started by: SaltShaker54 on September 03, 2010, 04:42:08 PM
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BLOODHOUND SSC - 1000mph car's Photos - 1K Event
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Full size balsa wood model. Free engine from the government. Wish we had support like that.......
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You notice the Lockheed-Martin sponsorship on the wheels? We use an actual Lockheed F-104 but they
Lockheed won't give us the time of day.
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I thought they changed the design over a year ago where the rocket was relocated above the jet engine??? Are these just really old pics?
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Original design was rocket over jet, but the latest and final arrangement (CFD Iteration 10) is the jet over rocket. Pictures of the ful size mock up are brand new, as the complete car shape was only completed in time for the Farnborough Air Show.
The sponsorship arrangements are down to Richard Noble, who after years of experience can command support from the likes of STP, Lockheed Martin, HM Government etc....
Malcolm
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F104 ... just take the wings off and run it on the ground ...
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:?
(http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/naeagle1.jpg)
Mike
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Too late ... someone has done it already ... oh well ...
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Yup, thats me! I've made 30 test runs so far. We've run at a local airport, at El Mirage, at Edwards AFB
and Blackrock Desert. Fastest test run is 400. We're scheduling ourselves in October to run to Mach .85
which is about 560 MPH. If the aerodynamics team says we can go faster, safely, we'll step it up.
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Nice! Fire it up!
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BLOODHOUND SSC - 1000mph car's Photos - 1K Event
Glad you are enjoying my pictures and as you can imagine I am overjoyed to see you have copied them and stored them on this webserver without my permission . . where do I send the bill for the license fee ?
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Raptor,
Calm down my friend. The owner did not store them on this server. A user has loaded the pictures. THis is a non profit website and sport with all one thing in common, speed. There is no value ($$$$) being made on posting of the pictures other than for public appearence. If they are really bothering you im sure we can find others to post. Most of us are racers who spend money like crazy just to go fast with no return. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Give us a break, and enjoy the webiste about speed.
JonAmo
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Thanks for the diplomatic reply Jon. When I saw the post earlier I was tempted to fire off a rather blunt reaction. I hope the photographer will understand the situation and back off from his rather inflammatory attitude.
Pete
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Actually that photo is a direct link to your post here:
http://www.ridelust.com/could-a-fighter-plane-sans-wings-be-the-next-lsr-holder/
Which should have been mentioned in the post above where the image was presented, as fair use of a public domain image.
I am sure a polite request for proper credit would have been a much better way to introduce yourself to the members here and maybe even drive traffic to your other web posts.
Larry
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Hey, Raptor....tell it to the queen..............(as you can tell.. I don't play well with others)..................
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Actually that photo is a direct link to your post here:
If you look at the post I quoted you will see I am talking about the first post . . . not the North American Eagle . .
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Raptor,
Calm down my friend. The owner did not store them on this server. A user has loaded the pictures. THis is a non profit website and sport with all one thing in common, speed. There is no value ($$$$) being made on posting of the pictures other than for public appearence. If they are really bothering you im sure we can find others to post. Most of us are racers who spend money like crazy just to go fast with no return. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Give us a break, and enjoy the webiste about speed.
JonAmo
I am very calm . . . thank you :-) I understand that a user has posted the images that are not his to post, and in posting them he has copied them from where he has seen them to his hard drive and then copied them to the webserver that this site runs on . . he has not had permission to do this from the owner . . . me.
To be specific, I am talking about the first 3 images in the first post and the first two and last in the second post.
It doesn't matter that there is no profit being made on these pictures, it is common courtesy to ask to use someone else's work before it is actually taken and used . . . the user didn't even quote the source of the pictures.
Why am I upset ? I spend a lot of my own money on my camera gear, I spend a lot of money travelling to places like the Bloodhound event to get pictures . . . the user that posted my pictures just stole them, they didn't cost him a bean.
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By the way, if you want to see my pictures I'm very happy for you to see them, I have them on my website, but please don't steal them, is that too much to ask ?
http://www.f1album.com/index.php?cat=26
Thank you :-)
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Sir, I'm Jon, a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim, the fellow that owns landracing.com. We've often been faced with the potential issue of someone posting images that haven't properly been approved or received permission for posting. As the owner -- there's little that I can do without requiring that each and every image be passed through me for vetting before it appears on this site. I have frequently asked folks here to at least give attribution when posting, and have a few times had to resort to banning those "members" that do not give credit, at least. (That issue has been more evident with print than images, but the precedent does exist).
Many of the professional photographers whose work appears here have taken for watermarking their work before releasing it to any site - whether their personal web page, or here, or anyplace, so that they will not only receive credit via the watermark, but also so the image will be of lesser quality if it is indeed "stolen". I urge you to consider doing the same with your fine work.
I apologize for the appearance without your permission of your work here. I hope you'll consider offering further images from your collections to us - but with appropriate cautions on your part. We do have a gallery of photos, and would consider having your stuff appear there - again, with your copyright prominently displayed.
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Raptor,
Calm down my friend. The owner did not store them on this server. A user has loaded the pictures. THis is a non profit website and sport with all one thing in common, speed. There is no value ($$$$) being made on posting of the pictures other than for public appearence. If they are really bothering you im sure we can find others to post. Most of us are racers who spend money like crazy just to go fast with no return. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Give us a break, and enjoy the webiste about speed.
JonAmo
I am very calm . . . thank you :-) I understand that a user has posted the images that are not his to post, and in posting them he has copied them from where he has seen them to his hard drive and then copied them to the webserver that this site runs on . . he has not had permission to do this from the owner . . . me.
To be specific, I am talking about the first 3 images in the first post and the first two and last in the second post.
It doesn't matter that there is no profit being made on these pictures, it is common courtesy to ask to use someone else's work before it is actually taken and used . . . the user didn't even quote the source of the pictures.
Why am I upset ? I spend a lot of my own money on my camera gear, I spend a lot of money travelling to places like the Bloodhound event to get pictures . . . the user that posted my pictures just stole them, they didn't cost him a bean.
Raptor
Fair enough and believe me I FULLY understand your position. When I owned this site (Before I sold it to Seldom Seen Slim) and had over 50,000 images and photos would start appearing all over the internet. Forums being the biggest problem. Most all other places on the internet always asked for permission or at least gave a credential as it should.
Can users at least post your images in the future as long as the proper credits are given? Your photos are great and really capture a story about the Bloodhound.
Thanks
JonAmo
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You would think that the guy would like the fact that his pictures are on the best LSR website in the world for all to see. I will say this raptor get a life you big baby. I do not play with others either.
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You would think that the guy would like the fact that his pictures are on the best LSR website in the world for all to see. I will say this raptor get a life you big baby. I do not play with others either.
raptor is playing with some big horsepower and good pix.
franey
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Don't bother posting Raptors stuff. Just go to Bloodhounds web site for a visit and nobody will act like somebody licked the red off of his candy. :cry:
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When you find a money note on the sidewalk, if it isn't signed with a name, how would you find the rightful owner? I might have found the picture somewhere some years ago but with years and an ever growing album how will I remember who own it or where I found it if it isn't signed?
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BLOODHOUND SSC - 1000mph car's Photos - 1K Event
Glad you are enjoying my pictures and as you can imagine I am overjoyed to see you have copied them and stored them on this webserver without my permission . . where do I send the bill for the license fee ?
Mr RaptorUK
I apologise for any inconvenience or trouble this may have caused I found these posted on a muscle car web site. I am trying to find the old post and person that posted them to give you the info. There was no owners name to the photos or where he got them from just his post " See these amazing photos from the Bloodhound SSC 1000mph event". I would remove them but I don't have the edit or modify choice for some reason to do so. I hope that admin can remove them if in fact I have known they where not his or where posted without permission I would have never posted them here. This is an outstanding landspeed site with amazing racers never do I want to make anyone mad or do anything to make trouble I hope you understand
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Simon aka Raptor,
had a look at your site as suggested and yup - some good pics. As others have pointed out, once they get copied to one or two websites there is no telling where they will end up, how many times they will get forwarded or eventually where they originated. That's the beauty and the curse of the web. Assuming you want as many people as possible to see but not copy your pics (why would you post them online if not?) then the safest way to protect them is to disable the Right Click Copy facility. Other than as a fellow enthusiast I have no vested interest whatsoever. Most people who post here are known to me only via the forum but I've been to Bonneville many times. I can tell you that you'll never meet a friendlier, more open, honest or welcoming group of people whose only interest is sharing their passion with each other and newbies alike. What they do on the salt once or twice a year is the culmination of their efforts but is only a part of what they are all about. It's the community that's the biggest part of it as far as I read it. That's why I think that "stealing" is too harsh a term for what was nothing more than enthusiasm to share some great pics with this community. I do hope you continue to post. Take a look at the photo albums elsewhere on the site - some of them will blow you away.
Cheers
Robin
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Thanks for that, Robin. Last week we enjoyed the company of UK based Speed Record Club members out here on the salt for World of Speed. Raptor, come visit us for one of our events and enjoy a chin wag with forum members. Cheers.
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Max,
Jane and I enjoyed the experience of WoS for the first time. Great people and a great meeting for those interested in the variety that is LSR.
There are some who follow just one team or 'element' of our diverse sport to the exclusion of all other parts, but everyone should perhaps look at the resource that is the internet to at least gain an appreciation of what is happening in the US and Australia.
I am biased but being in the Speed Record Club opens up the whole range of LSR activity as it happens.
The fastest man in the world chose twice to return to Bonneville to compete under SCTA rules and with JCB Dieselmax gained a red and blue hat (from the 200mph club) for his record drive on the salt in his own right. These to go along with the honorary status gained from the supersonic record at Black Rock. Even Andy took his salt flats rookie orientation as seriously as he did the attempt leading to the Mach1 runs.
Bristol and Coventry are great places but there is more than waiting to go to South Africa.
Malcolm
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Bloodhound has some interesting videos on youtube, very excited to see this in person someday.
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BLOODHOUND SSC - 1000mph car's Photos - 1K Event
Glad you are enjoying my pictures and as you can imagine I am overjoyed to see you have copied them and stored them on this webserver without my permission . . where do I send the bill for the license fee ?
Quite touchy over a Balsa model don't you think?. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:-)
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Well, legally and ethically, each has a right to protect his/her own intellectual property. raptor/simon (?) created the work and should be entitled to protect it and say what/where/when it is shown.
Funtionally (in this day and age of the innurnet and digital piracy), however, any image available on the internet withOUT a watermark/copyright and protection from copying (is this even possible??????) is given away. Even if one watermarks/copyrights an image, a publicly accessable image might be unprotectable.
raptor/simon: right on! Stand up for your rights! Also be aware that it is probably a losing battle.
I'm sure a lot of folks here appreciate seeing your work, few would pay.
This all opinion from a 50 year professional photographer. Good luck!
BLOODHOUND SSC - 1000mph car's Photos - 1K Event
Glad you are enjoying my pictures and as you can imagine I am overjoyed to see you have copied them and stored them on this webserver without my permission . . where do I send the bill for the license fee ?
Quite touchy over a Balsa model don't you think?. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well, legally and ethically, each has a right to protect his/her own intellectual property. raptor/simon (?) created the work and should be entitled to protect it and say what/where/when it is shown.
Absolutely... but he did not do that... As soon as you post a picture in public domain, without a copyright, it is public domain. And I'm sure he will find his pictures everywhere. If he posted them digitally large enough, he may even find prints around the world.
Lesson here.... Simon, if you want to have a legitimate bitch, protect your pictures... thus far you have not done that... this concern is months old, yet your pictures still have no copyright or watermark and are still out there for copying in public domain. So, if you were that concerned why didn't you do something about it?
If you just want to rant... we are not to accepting of that. Go have a beer, tell the bartender all about it, you're paying him to listen.... :cheers:
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You'll never stop people from reposting a picture once it's released on the internet. The trick is to post it in a small enough format that it's not worth copying and printing in a larger format as it will be too pixilated. Print the url of your website on the picture, maybe down in a corner, then if anyone does want a print they can contact you and arrange to purchase it in the size desired. This is a good and effective way to advertise your services.
Pete
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Someone posted a photo of the North American Eagle on youtube and Dos Equis used it in one of their commercials about the "Worlds most interesting man".
They didn't ask permission or give any credit. Just the way it goes!!!!
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Ed, a good lawyer who understands photography and advertising might be able to raise you some sponsorship dollars. No doubt he'll want his share too! :evil: :evil: :-D
Pete
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I've seen as good or better with a good point and shoot camera with a fairly educated operator.. can we drop this one anytime soon and let it fade away like traction on the salt? :roll:
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By the way, if you want to see my pictures I'm very happy for you to see them, I have them on my website, but please don't steal them, is that too much to ask ?
http://www.f1album.com/index.php?cat=26
Thank you :-)
Steal?
I am a musician and well versed in the issues of intellectual copyright.I always love to hear stories about other people playing a song of mine, nine times out of ten they won't report their usage to any of the Royalty bodies and thus I won't see a cent , I even had a guy thank me for a certain song as he had played it to a girl , who then became his girlfriend( hey, I wanna collect!!!!!!) I am also familiar with the terms of "release", I have never asked anyone NOT to photograph our car except in circumstances where it is being assembled , ie: "wait til we put the race wheels on , it looks better then".......... After years of throwing my efforts into making music I have spent quite some time building a car that has graced many magazines, the photographers ( many of them good friends of mine) who shoot those shots get paid for them, not me. Our "sponsorship" on the car probably struggles to reach 1% of the total outlay on the car. I have been lucky to parlay some free-lance writing out of my reputation but it dwarfs in comparison to what my involvement in this sport has cost.
Running in with your hand out and your nose out of joint is a pretty bad look here, if it means that much to you then wise up and protect your stuff.Like Bob said....
Well, legally and ethically, each has a right to protect his/her own intellectual property. raptor/simon (?) created the work and should be entitled to protect it and say what/where/when it is shown.
Absolutely... but he did not do that... As soon as you post a picture in public domain, without a copyright, it is public domain. And I'm sure he will find his pictures everywhere. If he posted them digitally large enough, he may even find prints around the world.
Lesson here.... Simon, if you want to have a legitimate bitch, protect your pictures... thus far you have not done that... this concern is months old, yet your pictures still have no copyright or watermark and are still out there for copying in public domain. So, if you were that concerned why didn't you do something about it?
If you just want to rant... we are not to accepting of that. Go have a beer, tell the bartender all about it, you're paying him to listen.... :cheers:
Rant over.
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For the benefit of anyone as confused as me:
- I am not Raptor/Simon
- The photo is my own - not stolen from anyone/anywhere
- I thought I was returning this thread to its original subject ....
As someone who has a camera and takes photos (i.e. I would even hesitate to call myself an amateur photographer), I might be upset if someone made money from my efforts, but the stronger emotion would be surprise or amazement. :-o
Anyway, for those interested in the original subject of this thread, I attach another photo.
Oh, and there is no balsa involved. :wink:
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Tricky, I beleive everyone (myself included) were still on the rant about the photos at the start of this thread. Thanks for the new pic of the cockpit tub, yes lets get back on subject. :cheers:
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It had nothing to do with you TD.
The pictures are interesting. A little explanation would be useful. Thanks for the effort. :cheers:
Pete
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One more picture. As you have probably worked out, it is the cockpit section of Bloodhound SSC. This is obviously a key part of the real car - arguably the single most complex component. I was lucky enough to visit the manufacturer's facility on Sunday and take these photos. You can also see part of the full scale model, to the left, which was also on display for the weekend.
Richard Noble gave us an update on the plans for 2013/14. The build phase is now well under way, with manufacture of most of the chassis in progress. There are suppliers dotted around Britain, and everything will be delivered to Bristol for assembly into a recognisable "car". The intention is to complete the build this year, and do some slow speed shake-down runs in England before Christmas. With so much work being done in parallel, there are plenty reasons for this to be delayed but I think there is a good chance the car will be ready to run fast in about 12 months time.
As others have noted, there is a lots of information on the Bloodhound SSC website at http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/. If you have some specific questions that are not answered there, let me know and I will try to find an answer. One of the founding principles of the project is 'openness', so there is probably not much they will refuse to share.
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Thanks TD! :-D :-D
Pete
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Pretty intense looking piece!
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You guys are going to need to go 1100 mph if you don't stuff your foot into the carpet in the near future. I am nobody and don't know nuthin but I can see bloodhound breathing down your necks.
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Thought you chaps would like to see Bloodhound's cockpit canopy and hatch fresh out of the autoclave:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151421817596936&set=a.156630776935.115061.100734801935&type=1&theater¬if_t=like (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151421817596936&set=a.156630776935.115061.100734801935&type=1&theater¬if_t=like)
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Announced today, it looks like there are some designs to do over and the Bloodhound isn't expected to run until 2015.
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Bummer
DW