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El Mirage => El Mirage General Chat => Topic started by: idefendm on August 29, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
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Dear Slim,
Just a note to say "Hello", and apprise you of the establishment of Motor-Scooter International Land-Speed Federation and the hosting of our First Annual Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, November 21st 2010, El Mirage Dry Lake, CA. The reason for yet another organization is fully explained on our website www.motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org (http://www.motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org).
Regards,
Alan
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Please do not post the same announcement in three different threads..wasting bandwidth..
This should either be in the Non LSR related section or the Friday joke section..
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John, Are you working on your ignore count!! :? :?
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I think Jon's right. Go to their supplied link and look at their recommended safety apparel. With that sort of attitude they could cause problems with any sort of accident at El Mirage. :-( :-( :-(
Pete
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Alan,
I applaud you for taking on such a feat. When most doors get closed on people they give up. You have followed your dreams and I wish you the best.
I know BLM only requires a helmet for motorcycle and ATV riders, and they have no posted speed limit on the lakebed, but in your interests you might want to revise what you want the riders to wear. I would hope you would consider at least jeans, boots, and some sort of jacket along with the helmet. Otherwise you will have people wearing shorts and fllip flops, with a tank top.
Also how long of a course will the scooters be timed on? What will you be using for timing? What would be the fastest scooter in mph in your opinion? Will you have an ambulance at your event? Do you think any of these will show up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nkwxTjU00I
Good luck and have fun,
Tom G.
PS. I like your posters.
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obviously you are holding a public event.... has your organization acquired a permit for your event? It is my understanding that the BLM has suspended issuing any new permits through the calendar year end of 2010
Kent
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ummmm Alan
I didnt see a class for electric scooterzzzz?
Kent
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Tom,
We've been working very closely with our race event insurance carrier and BLM to insure adequare safety for this event. All previously approved BLM race permits, including our's, are currently being re-evaluated. We've taken a proactive approach to safety. I presume our approved permit and operating plan are public record? Ambulance, First-Aid Station, designated fueling area, method of fueling are all on the checklist along with portable toilets and dumpsters. Most scooterists ride the streets and freeways with DOT helmets, goggles, gloves, and high-top athletic shoes or boots. This required apparel is available from one of our corporate sponsors, MotorSport Scooters, and advertised on our website. Long-sleeve MX jerseys or Ts and Levis will also be required. Armored leather apparel is optional. We're using new radar guns for this first event. All of our personnel will be equipped with Motorola two-way radios. The skepticism and negativity expressed in some of these blogs is precisely why we've organized our own event. Thank you very much for your kind thoughts and well-wishes
Regards,
Alan
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Kent,
We'd be delighted to create an electric scooter class. I contacted most if not all of the manufacturers and distributors in the US and did not receive one reply.
Alan
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Alan
I'm not supprised you didn't get any electric scooter people interested in attending... Did ya try speaking in Chinese? your really gonna have to put on yer big boy panties and show how thick yer skin is.... Come on, yer gonna take some hitz, afterall yer racing frickin scooterz fer gods sake.... good luck on yer event, i just might have to show up and see this thing in person... are there gonna be any of those hot freaky tattooed Vespa girlz there?
Kent
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Kent, I think in China they only make scooters for export and you would have to talk to the importers as they use more of the bigger variety on the roads in China. Tony
I got this in an email recently, most likely off the net. :-o :-o :-o
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/maguromic/image001.jpg)
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stop making me pee myself Tony.....
kr
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Well. . . we may not have any electric scooter entries but we are expecting a turbo'd Aprilia RS50cc from www.highgaintuning.com (http://www.highgaintuning.com) that'll probably top 70 mph?
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What bothers me is that the BLM will view this as a "speed event". And "racers" will be running up the lakebed in T shirts and tennis shoes. If there is a serious accident the SCTA will be tossed in with the scooter racers and the SCTA could be put in jeopardy. In view of what has been happening this event makes me nervous. The SCTA has a very high standard for safety but the scooter "federation" doesn't strike me as realising just what is at stake here. I keep getting a vision of Rollie Free on a scooter.
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Scott
he's a fricken attorney! ya ever known one that hasn't covered their own butt! it looks like he has done all the BLM stuff and i am assuming he will be using K&K insurance to satisfy BLM requirements... the BLM is carefully watching each racing org on their own merits like the Mojave desert racers org that had that accident a couple of weeks ago.. the BLM has pulled and denied them permits.... they are done... but the Best in the West off road series just had a great event last week.... over seen by about 100BLM observers i understand.... I think yer gonna be supprised as to how many people and pooters are gonna show up for this.. I remember when Vince from West Coast Lambretta use to sponsor and promote a road racing event at Amago raceway, the pooter strange came out of the woodwork.... Man they use to crash those things hard.... pretty funny stuff... i might have to grab a spair pair of undies and go up for a laugh... ya wanna ride along?
kent
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We have 1/2 bottle of jack Daniels left over from Speedweek. Miller and I are going to sit in the truck and watch this show. It will too cold to step outside, much like the Mojave Mile last time.
I'm trying to talk Rick into putting one of his 100s + HP 'busas in a pooter.
DW
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will an old Indian motor scooter be able to race. i have one :cheers:
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I'm down with ya Dan.... but I'm gonna have to stick with "crown"... that "Jack" stuff makes me nasty and theirs no way my brain can keep up with my tongue!.... Yep "crown fer me!.... Mike, from what i read, if ya can step through it, the wheels are less than 15", got a puddin bowl helmet, long sleeves, sneakers, and ya got some entry dough..... yer racin!
Kent
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I'm down with ya Dan.... but I'm gonna have to stick with "crown"... that "Jack" stuff makes me nasty and theirs no way my brain can keep up with my tongue!.... Yep "crown fer me!
Kent
What a rough crowd with the hard liquor, this is a scooter event after all. I personally have a sophisticated pallet and I will stick to Night Train or some Boone’s Farm. Tony
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yer gonna make me change yer nickname from "T"bag tony to "Mad Dawg 20 20" Tony
kent
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Being a tea taster and blender I have to keep a good pallet. I can’t play with the heavy stuff like you do. Tony
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thanks did'nt see the entry price on web thanks mike :cheers:
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I duuno, guys. I'm glad people are worried about liability. There are three lawyers in the Federation's heirarchy and we have no intention of doing any thing to jeopardize our planned 2011 event on November 19th/20th. I have a pix of a guy on a Vespa running at Bonneville without an MX jersey, Levis, or high-top athletic shoes.
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I have a pix of a guy on a Vespa running at Bonneville without an MX jersey, Levis, or high-top athletic shoes.
That Freud is such a slut! :-o He'll ride anything!
:-D
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Deb, did you get your ride from SLC Int'l airport to Wendover?
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counciling attorneys / lawers often cover their a$$, ..but dont care about the ramifications to others afterwords.
how about " guilt by association"
I hope that they have a safe event, but would rather that they find somewhere else to PLAY.
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idefendm...Picture is a stunt; just a guy getting his buddies to take a picture to copy the past....no black lines.....Just like a guy dragging around a parachute with his street rod for pictures..........Is there a trophy for the most lights and mirrors?????????????????
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To all who might find this interesting, back in the day, Jack Costellas' 1st Bonneville record was set on a Bonanza mini- bike.... Jack was the head of R&D at Bonanza, they fielded a team which ran at Bonneville, the Bonanza mini bike/scooter ran a 2 smoke Sachs engine and I think it ran in the 90,s mph. I'll bet even Glen TGVOB- and head of the Bonneville Gestapo, along with his "mini me" Mkilgore didn"t know/remember that one... Hey the Asian mfg are building scooters that ride on the freeways at over 65mph .. My self I like Cushmans and Mustang motorcycles... Mike R.
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Mike
I have a Cycle mag from the 60's with a pix of Jack riding that bike
kent
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I always thought there wasn't an indemnification written that a half decent lawyer couldn't shred. With three lawyers on board I reckon they should be able to write something that not even the BLM could fathom or shred. The minimal safety requirements scare me. I seriously doubt, should there be an accident, that the BLM will distinguish between a scooter and a streamliner. Another backyard for them to play in would be nice.
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Nortonist et all who are pushing the panic button about this scooter event,at El Mirage. Scta has nothing to do with managing this event so where is the liiabilty everbody seems to be worried about? If there are problems doesn't it rest on the scooter guys? BLM has checked these guys out and if they feel thier management and rules are sufficent in the eyes of BLM whats the problem.. I think the event is going to be a lot of fun, and who knows, it may be 1st and last one or it may go on for several yrs.. I for one will be there...
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I'll bet even Glen TGVOB- and head of the Bonneville Gestapo, along with his "mini me" Mkilgore didn"t know/remember that one...
Mike R.
Mike R.
TGVOB :? :? :?
Tom G.
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pookie do you really believe that if someone is hurt it wont effect all racing at El Mirage. Look at the reaction BLM has taken after the off road accident. Whatever happens in any form of racing effects all racing. We must not put our heads in the sand and not be concerned. :cheers:
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HI Tom, it means "The Golden Voice of Bonneville". Mike R.
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Pookie, Get your head out of the sand. Racing is racing. The BLM won't distinguish one from the other. You have seen their reaction to that dreadful accident a couple of weeks ago. I never mentioned liability. The SCTA will have no liability regarding this event. Judging by the safety standards (which I read as none) the scooter guys are going by there IS a real danger. I would like to know what these guys are doing for course patrol, crowd control (assuming there is a crowd), etc. Its pretty well known that if there is an accident at El Mirage outside the racing boundaries at an SCTA event racing will end. And as I said I don't believe the BLM knows the difference between the SCTA and the scooter guys.
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unfortunatly, any press will be BAD PRESS.
any drop of blood at el-mo will effect racing at other similar venues ECTA...texas... ExCeTra........
most attourneys do very well in covering their own a$$,
but do nothing for anyone elses concern after ....from ramifications.......
...the just get more business.....!!!!
this view comes from someone that has attourneys in the family...
I hate to admit that they are related...
..........I would hope that they go find another PLAYGROUND.....
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HI Tom, it means "The Golden Voice of Bonneville". Mike R.
Thanks Mike, never heard that before, but very appropriate.
Guys,
For general information the distance they are racing is a half mile. With that said, BLM land is for everyone's use. These people have every right to hold a race on the lakebed. We need to give them a chance, before we jump to conclusions. I am worried like the rest of you about our raceground, but as long as BLM is the one in control, we have no say. And if they do everything the BLM asks for, we should be covered.
Tom G.
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Ron,
Lawyer-bashing is de rigueur. F-off! I was born and raised in Berdoo. Jetted my road racers at El Mirage in the early sixties. Get a life!
Alan
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And if they do everything the BLM asks for, we should be covered.
Tom G.
And if our engines did everything we ask, we'd all be record holders.
Of course the land is for everyone's use but guilt by association, tarred with the one brush etc. is difficult to put out of you thoughts.
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Tue, August 31, 2010 5:38:08 RULE UPDATE; First Annual Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, Nov. 21st 2010, El Mirage Dry Lake, CA
From: Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com> Add to Contacts
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Dear Entrant / Prospective Entrant,
All previously approved El Mirage Dry Lake race permits, including our's, are being re-evaluated by the Bureau of Land Management. This process is a direct result of the August 15th Soggy Dry Lake calamity that claimed eight lives and injured thirteen spectators.
Within hours of the Soggy Dry Lake calamity we took a proactive approach and responded by implementing a safety Rule establishing a 100-foot safety-zone on either side of the race course, and providing for immediate course closure in the event of a breach.
At the BLM's suggestion we also established a safety Rule regarding fuel containment, fueling and refueling. This is known as self-regulation.
Another tragedy occurred this past Sunday, August 29th, at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Thirteen-year-old road racer Peter Lentz was critically injured as a result of being run over by another racer. Presumably Peter was wearing a Snell-approved helmet, and armored road racing leathers, gloves and boots. No amount of safety equipment would likely have prevented Peter's untimely death.
This latest tragedy will invariably spark spirited debate whether young teens should be road racing, or perhaps whether they should be restricted to small displacement bikes, such as 50cc and 125cc?
Without entering this debate, and being fully cognizant that motor-scooters running through a speed-trap one-at-a-time present appreciably less risk of injury than road racing motorcycles, we are nevertheless again self-regulating as an alternative to having regulations imposed upon our event. In this regard we have decided to implement the following Rule. This Rule, and others are published at www.motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org/rules.html.
1.O. MINIMUM AGE
Riders must be at least eighteen (18) years of age to compete. Proof of age required by valid driver's license or Passport.
This Rule eliminates four things: (1) the possibility of death or injury to young teenage riders; (2) bereaved parents and families; (3) parental consent forms; and (4) legal waivers.
Thank you for your understanding, continued enthusiasm and competitive spirit.
Sincerely,
Alan Spears,
Scootermeister
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Ron,
Lawyer-bashing is de rigueur. F-off! I was born and raised in Berdoo. Jetted my road racers at El Mirage in the early sixties. Get a life!
Alan
Alan did you just tell him to F-off!
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Cool a lawyer with a potty mouth that's not afraid to use it.... I like this guy
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Ron,
Lawyer-bashing is de rigueur.
Alan
I have a neice who is a blood suckin' lawyer in New Jersey but we are very politically correct and we don't do any lawyer bashin'.
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what is the distance the scooters run a ELMO Mike :cheers:
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Hi Mike, the distance is 1/2 mile.. Check out the web site, all the particulars are covered pretty good.. To get the web site, I think it is on the 1st page of this topic.. Mike R.
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. Thirteen-year-old road racer Peter Lentz was critically injured as a result of being run over by another racer.
Please understand the difference between "critical and fatal" Peter was a real racer and not a scooter boy..
RIP little man.
J
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Tue, August 31, 2010 5:38:08 RULE UPDATE; First Annual Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, Nov. 21st 2010, El Mirage Dry Lake, CA
From: Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com> Add to Contacts
To:
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Thirteen-year-old road racer Peter Lentz was critically injured as a result of being run over by another racer. No amount of safety equipment would likely have prevented Peter's untimely death.
Sincerely,
Alan Spears,
Scootermeister
Please understand the difference between "critical and fatal" Peter was a real racer and not a scooter boy..
RIP little man.
J
I think Alan is pretty clear on both points of being Critical and Fatal. The sad fact is this kid is dead, and to me it does not matter if he was a Real Racer or riding a bicycle, his life was taken to early.
Tom G.
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I don't know what a "real" racer is. Some of my old licenses are posted somewhere on www.cr500G.com (http://www.cr500G.com). The last few years of my racing career involved AMA/FIM GP Sidecars -- an extremely dangerous form of motorsports. There will be some very exotic scooters participating. Some will go ring-ding-ding, possibly faster than motorcycles of equal displacement? But, just to allay the girly-men fears that have been expressed by some of the "real racers", we are currently shopping for a venue for our 2011 event. We will likely purchase the venue and, once again, operate as we see fit. Hell, who knows, we may even lease the venue out to "real racers"?
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The thirteen year old's spill probably would not have amounted to much.
He was run over by a TWELVE year old. I've worked with a lot of twelve year olds and not too many could handle a 125 at racing speeds.
A scooter event at El Mirage sound like fun.
The only thing wrong with this event is the lack of safety gear required. This isn't the street, it's a racing event. The majority of your racers are going to be slow. But have one guy show up with a turbo 650 held together with galvanized pipe and a half helmet and when (not if) he crashes all racing at El Mirage will be done.
You are failing to see what it took the SCTA years to refine. Yes, Rollie Free did run with skin for safety gear. That was a lot of years ago.
You can't expect normal. You have to look at the worst case. The freedom of the open road means nothing here.
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Some will go ring-ding-ding, possibly faster than motorcycles of equal displacement
But, just to allay the girly-men fears that have been expressed by some of the "real racers"
Thats my point exactly. T shirt, flip flops, a plastic helmet with a fake DOT sticker on the back and you go race. Reading stuff like that really does allay the fear of the girly-men racers of the SCTA.
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Hi Dean of LA, I agree with your view on youngsters racing GP style bikes they need to be older and more experienced so hopefully, the boy that was killed will be the 1st and last one forever... BUT, the example you used about the safety rules, yes I know that you are being ludicrous to make a point, but Alan and his crew, who are running the show, are NOTa bunch of yahoos, who couldn't hit their ass with both hands... They certainly are NOT going let anyone showing up with something even remotely unsafe run... Not all the brains that are up on safety issues are in the SCTA_BNI.... Point of fact concerning safety at SCTA events at EL Mirage how many spectaters ,or bike riders have gone across the race course when a car has been running.. My memory isn't as good as it use to but a few years ago didn'a five year old kid stray out on the course and almost get hit by a car or was hit by said car... I'll bet that lay down bike you built and drove at el mirage was REALLY looked at by the safety inspection team, and I know you are a really cautious guy a rule book reader But..........!!!! I am going to call Rosie at El mirage, she is the boss for BLM and ask for her take on if something happens during this event will it effect the SCTA . Another thing having the meet so late in the year there is a good chance the lake may just be a lake for real.... Mike R.
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Pookie,
You best get some very sound legal advice before you attempt to undermine or interfere with our Federation's relationship with BLM!
alan
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Nortonist 592,
There will be NO flip-flops allowed -- unless they're rine-stone studded with double-thick soles! But do us a favor, save your gas and don't attend unless you feel like like contributing some thing positive to the event, such as volunteering to be a race official.
Alan
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Nortinist the examples you used in your last post are TOTAL BULL PUCKIE. Come on , your a smart guy ,go to the 1st page and look at the safety requirements, which by the way are the same requirements the BLM require for folks to ride their bikes all over El Mirage... Have you seen some of those riders doing 50 or more mph wheelies out on the lake bed.. or kids in 3 cornered pants riding big ol 4 wheelers with the required gear... I think your apprehension about what happens on the lake reflects badly on the SCTA usage....is just totally bogus... Quit being a "NERVOUS NELLIE" Mike R. But one thing that has pissed me off is having to pay $90.00 a year and I go out and participate in 1,2, or more clean ups plus other activities...
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Alan. please re-read my post to DeanLA I think you miss read.... Mike R.
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Pookie,
You're close by in Hesperia. Any chance of getting you to volunteer as a race official? Our security is going to include an off-duty San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy, or two, plus non-uniformed personnel. We still need a second radar person, and some one at the end of the course to certify speed tickets at the end of each run.
Alan
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Now we haven't received an entry yet for a 650cc Turbo galvanized pipe chassis scooter held together with duct-tape, but the largest displacement entry thus far is a female riding a 2009 Piaggio MP3 500cc!
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Alan, SURE!!!! Send me a PM..I will not talk to Rosie, but she is so good looking, she reminds me of Ann Archer... ZOOOWE WOWEEMike R.
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Thanx, Mike.
I'd prefer to communicate by direct e-mail if that works for you.
Regards,
Alan
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Mike,
BTW. Scott Hamblin, Chief Radarman, lives in Hesperia. We're all about the same age.
Alan
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Alan, You might want to take your email off the site and send a private message with it. Otherwise the spambots will clog your email server. Good luck with your venture. Tony
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Tony, Thanx for the advice and well-wishes. Alan
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Good luck with your meet. It sounds like fun. If nothing else it gives the Nannies something to grump about.
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Thank you very much, Rich.
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I'm on the lake bed on off weekends often, there is always some sort of race, filming, flying etc going on and I'm sure there are people getting hurt at these events? As long as it is NOT an SCTA event I dont see how they could hold us liable or make an impact on our racing? I have a couple friend that are gonna race at this scooter thing and Ill more than likely be out there watching just for kicks! If one of the little flying contraptions goes down its not the SCTA fault, is it? Nor if a scooter goes down.
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Faded,
We are not affiliated with STCA, AMA/BUB, or the FIM in any way. We are heavily insured through a major race event insurance company per BLM's requirements. There is no direct, proximate or residual liability as regards the aforementioned organizations stemming from our event. El Mirage is public land, not the private reserve of any race sanctioning body.
Alan
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Faded,
We are not affiliated with STCA, AMA/BUB, or the FIM in any way. We are heavily insured through a major race event insurance company per BLM's requirements. There is no direct, proximate or residual liability as regards the aforementioned organizations stemming from our event. El Mirage is public land, not the private reserve of any race sanctioning body.
Alan
Thats what Im saying if someone gets hurt or dead at your event it wont affect us, so go for it, I will be out there watching! Actually looking forward to it.
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Alan
ya might want to check with the BLM and your insurance carrier about your proximity statement... i know for a fact at the June event our ambulance was called to a heat stroke to a spectator and we had to do an accident report on it and i think it was the May meet a orv rider/spectator crashed and used our ambulance services again another report.... and people dont understand and bitch why the "out of bounds" ruling and punishments are so strict.... these 2 incidents were not even within the race boundry
Kent
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Alan
there is a SDRC (san diego roadster club) meating tonight at JBA the drinkin and bench racing starts at 7 and everyone is suppose to (ooooh) shut up and be quite so Eric can talk at 7... beer is gone and everyone else 'bout 9.... lots of old timers who have done it in the past will be there including my partner Randy who is doing the accident reports for the SCTA will be there
kent
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Kent,
Thanx for the advice and the invite. Probably can't make it this evening, but I'd certainly like to attend a meeting in the very near future.
The insurance carrier has given us considerable latitude re ambulance placement, but the BLM required us to be very specific in the Operational Plan addenda. We had to delineate with a detailed drawing where the portable toilets, dumpsters and fueling area will be.
When I first started this I didn't realize the enormity of putting on such an event. I certainly didn't anticipate the response we've gotten! This thing has taken on a life of its own. We have confirmed entries from San Antonio, TX, Memphis, TN, and San Francisco. We have a pre-entry from New Zealand! I thought we'd have fifteen or twenty scooters max, and that we'd go bonkers with the trophies, racing licenses, speed tickets, and what-not. The response has been much greater.
My law partners and I have pumped a lot of time and dough in to this event! We trying to do everything first-class. We're comping the racing licenses for this first event. We're running at an open venue so we can't (and wouldn't) charge admission. We're not requiring MSILSF membership. This whole event is a gigantic financial cluster-F. But there are a lot of guys (me included) with well-prepared high-performance scooters of various displacement who want to come out and play, and this is the only way they can do it. We're anxious to see what happens so we'll know whether to do it again in 2011 in a closed venue where we can charge nominal admission, sell memberships and racing licenses, get a pull off concessions, and attempt to recoup the dough we've spent on this event.
Alan
ps
The Ultimate Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Record Trophy is pretty kewl! So is Angela!
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Will Angela be there? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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WHAT'S THE ENTRY FEE? MEZRCN@GMAIL.COM THANKS MIKE MENDOZA
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Mike, Entry details are posted on our website at www.motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org (http://www.motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org). Alan
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I looked and didn't see a price....do we have to "apply" to get an answer.... In case you haven't picked up on the helpful tone of this site a direct question gets adirect answer....so I'll politely ask for mike again...."how fricken much?"
Kent
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Entry fee is $50 per scooter. Each entry includes a free event T-Shirt. Each rider entered is issued a complimentary 2010 racing license.
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How much if you already have an FIM World road racing license and an SCTA AA license good up to 299.9999 mph..
You may not see this because you have me on "ignore".. :wink:
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Never mind, you will see this after all, you took me off of ignore, you can put me back on when you have answered this.. :cheers:
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Noonan,
Speaking in your defense, and being balding guy of "moderate height" (though older than thou) I find it incredible that anybody could put you on ignore with your credentials and your compassion for your fellow racers.
(PS, I may need a good deal on pistons some day).
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yeah speaking of pistons.... where are the ones i ordered?
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Think motor scooters are dumb? Read what P.J. O'Rourke thinks about bicycles. http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/humor/bike.htm
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John, I'm burning my old FIM Green Stamp licenses. Your assignment for this holiday weekend is to write "El Mirage is BLM public land" 1000 times. Alan
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:-)
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Much better... :evil:
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You guys are killing me! I'm going to Confession this Sunday.
1.N. APPAREL
Riders are encouraged, but not required, to wear racing apparel including, but not limited to, full coverage Snell-approved helmet, full leathers with body armor, leather high-top boots, and padded gloves. Riders are required to wear: (a) jeans or Levis of sufficient leg-length to cover the tops of their shoes or boots; (b) high-top athletic shoes or boots; (c) a pull-over long-sleeve shirt, such as a MotoCross (MX) Jersey or sweatshirt; (d) Davida or DOT approved helmet; (e) racing goggles if wearing a shorty, half-pot, MX or open-face helmet, and (f) full-finger leather gloves.
1.P. VALVE STEMS
Metal valve stems are highly recommended, but not required. All rubber valve stems, whether straight or 90-degree, must be in excellent condition. Weather-cracked valve-stems will not be permitted on the race course! All valve stems must be securely fitted with metal or plastic valve stem caps. The decision of the Course Marshal/Race Director as regards valve-stems is final.
1.Q. TIRES
High performance scooter tires such as Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop or Continental are highly recommended, but not required. OEM or comparable tires are permitted. Weather-cracked or worn tires will not be permitted on the race course! The decision of the Course Marshal/Race Director as regards tires is final.
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I've got to admit I'm much more comfortable with this event now than I was when I posted on page one. I like the way the rules are evolving.
Pete
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Alan
its not everyday us common folk get to beat up on a lawyer.... as ya see we kinda like it.... :-o
kent
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Tom,
We've been working very closely with our race event insurance carrier and BLM to insure adequare safety for this event. All previously approved BLM race permits, including our's, are currently being re-evaluated. We've taken a proactive approach to safety. I presume our approved permit and operating plan are public record? Ambulance, First-Aid Station, designated fueling area, method of fueling are all on the checklist along with portable toilets and dumpsters. Most scooterists ride the streets and freeways with DOT helmets, goggles, gloves, and high-top athletic shoes or boots. This required apparel is available from one of our corporate sponsors, MotorSport Scooters, and advertised on our website. Long-sleeve MX jerseys or Ts and Levis will also be required. Armored leather apparel is optional. We're using new radar guns for this first event. All of our personnel will be equipped with Motorola two-way radios. The skepticism and negativity expressed in some of these blogs is precisely why we've organized our own event. Thank you very much for your kind thoughts and well-wishes
Regards,
Alan
Alan,best of luck to ya and don't let the self-appointed Gods on here get you down. Do what you gotta do. Believe it or not,you will get some positive support. I like funky kit,gonna come out and watch you guys run. Just do whatever the BLM asks and you'll be fine. you might want to come out and see how we put our course together to get an idea of how you might want to do it. We ai't perfect,but we have a pretty damn good safety record on the lakebed.
Cheers! :cheers:
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Rifleman,
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. We will be at El Mirage for SCTA's November event taking copious notes, pix, and GPS coordinates.
Regards,
Alan
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Tom,
We've been working very closely with our race event insurance carrier and BLM to insure adequare safety for this event. All previously approved BLM race permits, including our's, are currently being re-evaluated. We've taken a proactive approach to safety. I presume our approved permit and operating plan are public record? Ambulance, First-Aid Station, designated fueling area, method of fueling are all on the checklist along with portable toilets and dumpsters. Most scooterists ride the streets and freeways with DOT helmets, goggles, gloves, and high-top athletic shoes or boots. This required apparel is available from one of our corporate sponsors, MotorSport Scooters, and advertised on our website. Long-sleeve MX jerseys or Ts and Levis will also be required. Armored leather apparel is optional. We're using new radar guns for this first event. All of our personnel will be equipped with Motorola two-way radios. The skepticism and negativity expressed in some of these blogs is precisely why we've organized our own event. Thank you very much for your kind thoughts and well-wishes
Regards,
Alan
Alan,best of luck to ya and don't let the self-appointed Gods on here get you down. Do what you gotta do. Believe it or not,you will get some positive support. I like funky kit,gonna come out and watch you guys run. Just do whatever the BLM asks and you'll be fine. you might want to come out and see how we put our course together to get an idea of how you might want to do it. We ai't perfect,but we have a pretty Dodge good safety record on the lakebed.
Cheers! :cheers:
:? :? :? :?
Was the "self-appointed Gods on here" directed at me? As my name is at the very top of your quote. If it was you are wrong as I have only had positive things to say to Alan to help him with this event. I have even sent him a PM regarding this event with the best of wishes.
Tom G.
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Rifleman,
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. We will be at El Mirage for SCTA's November event taking copious notes, pix, and GPS coordinates.
Regards,
Alan
Great! If you see what's looks like a white cop car cruising around,that would be me,make yerself known. Might be racing,don't know,serious lack of ducats at the moment,but hoping to run into ya!
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Alan...good luck with your meet, sounds like fun and if I lived closer would go watch.
What do you think top speed will be?
This scooter talk brings back memories, my twin brother and I had some type of scooter in 1952 [12 yrs old] no name brand with fat tires and a Villiers 2 stroke motor, it had 2 exhaust ports , 3 speed hand shift trans,12 hp and a stickey throttle. it really did haul azz.
We were going up this hilly street near our house [my brother behind me on this saddle type seat] when it came
out of gear with the throttle stuck open pretty far I jammed it back in low gear with my left hand and it jumped right out from under us leaving us sitting in the street my brother still holding on, the bike turning circles on its handle bar. we thought that was the funniest thing ever.
JL222
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JL222,
Thanx for the well-wishes, and the scooter story.
We have an entry from a Vespa mechanic who has a highly modified 2009 Vespa 300. This scooter is fitted with Malossi Racing parts such as clutch, variator, and a big-bore kit with a big Dellorto carb. He's entered in the 400cc class. Presumably he's running a Leo Vince or similar exhaust. I'm guessing this scooter will run very strong.
My Kymco S9 50cc is fully Malossi kitted to 70cc with a Leo Vince pipe, 21mm Dellorto carb, and Malossi tall gears. It is fitted with Pirelli SL27s, the scooter version of their Sport Demons. It too is liquid-cooled. The oil injection was removed and I run a pre-mix of Maxima 927 Racing Castor, Shell Premium and Trick Octane Booster at 32:1. I frequently ride it on the I-5 and 805 Freeways in the San Diego area. Unfortunately the speed exceeds the speedometer's limitation, but I do fine in the slow lane and pass trucks. It probably tops out at 65+ screaming along at 10,000 rpm. I am overweight, so with a lightweight person I'm guessing a top speed in excess of 75?
The female entrant riding the Piaggio MP3 500cc will probably approach the ton mark? I happen to know she has a Buell Shoei (Snell-approved) full-coverage helmet, high-top leather boots, etc. We required her to attend a 3-day MSF motorcycle class and show proof of completion.
Alan
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Tom,
We've been working very closely with our race event insurance carrier and BLM to insure adequare safety for this event. All previously approved BLM race permits, including our's, are currently being re-evaluated. We've taken a proactive approach to safety. I presume our approved permit and operating plan are public record? Ambulance, First-Aid Station, designated fueling area, method of fueling are all on the checklist along with portable toilets and dumpsters. Most scooterists ride the streets and freeways with DOT helmets, goggles, gloves, and high-top athletic shoes or boots. This required apparel is available from one of our corporate sponsors, MotorSport Scooters, and advertised on our website. Long-sleeve MX jerseys or Ts and Levis will also be required. Armored leather apparel is optional. We're using new radar guns for this first event. All of our personnel will be equipped with Motorola two-way radios. The skepticism and negativity expressed in some of these blogs is precisely why we've organized our own event. Thank you very much for your kind thoughts and well-wishes
Regards,
Alan
Alan,best of luck to ya and don't let the self-appointed Gods on here get you down. Do what you gotta do. Believe it or not,you will get some positive support. I like funky kit,gonna come out and watch you guys run. Just do whatever the BLM asks and you'll be fine. you might want to come out and see how we put our course together to get an idea of how you might want to do it. We ai't perfect,but we have a pretty Dodge good safety record on the lakebed.
Cheers! :cheers:
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Was the "self-appointed Gods on here" directed at me? As my name is at the very top of your quote. If it was you are wrong as I have only had positive things to say to Alan to help him with this event. I have even sent him a PM regarding this event with the best of wishes.
Tom G.
Meant to quote just Alan,not you.
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Tomizawa dies after Moto2 crash
Reuters - Sun, 05 Sep 15:18:00 2010
Buzz Up! Nineteen-year-old Japanese Moto2 rider Shoya Tomizawa has died after a crash during Sunday's San Marino Grand Prix, the second death in the sport in two events.
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Doctor Claudio Costa, part of the motorcycling world championship's medical team, told reporters the news.
Riders in the premier MotoGP class were also informed after their race, won by Dani Pedrosa.
"I found out now, when things like this happen nothing else matters," world champion Valentino Rossi told Mediaset television. "He was a lovely guy, it was a horrible accident."
Suter's Tomizawa was travelling at full speed when he fell off before a corner and was hit violently by the bikes of Alex De Angelis and Scott Redding, who both also tumbled but looked relatively unhurt.
A 13-year-old also died in a minor race before the Indianapolis MotoGP in the sport's last grand prix in August.
Motorcycling has always been among motorsport's most dangerous pursuits given riders are often thrown from their bikes and run the risk of hitting objects or being struck by other riders.
"You forget sometimes how easily something like this can happen. Sometimes our sport is just too dangerous," MotoGP rider Andrea Dovizioso said.
Moto2, the new name for the former 250cc category below MotoGP, still generates huge speeds and officials said they decided to continue with the race after the crash because of the fear of other accidents if a red flag was suddenly shown.
They added that Tomizawa was alive when he was taken from the track and rushed to a local hospital on Italy's east coast.
He was pronounced dead soon after.
The official news of his death had not filtered through before the start of the MotoGP race so the event went ahead.
Rossi, who suffered a broken leg in an accident before the Italian Grand Prix in June, led riders in a tribute to another dead Japanese colleague Daijiro Kato earlier in the week in a ceremony at Misano.
Kato, who lived in the Misano area, died after an accident at the Japanese Grand Prix in 2003.
Rossi has worked hard with other riders to try to make the sport safer but has said there is a limit to how much they can do.
Reuters
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This is an unfortunate tragedy but what has this to do with lsr or with El Mirage?
Pete
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Mr. Spears, You can't possibly be the criminal attorney who practiced in the San Brnardino area, could you?
Did some work on your Harley side hack road racer years ago, if so.
Folks, this guy's serious fer sure if it's he!
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Please call me Alan. Yes. It's me. Born in Berdoo at St. Bernardine Hospital.
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Alan
im too lazy to look in yer rules... ya gotta class for my honda S90? its a step through frame! do you have to ride with yer feet on the pegs the whole distance down the track?
kent
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Sorry Kent, no motorcycles. Scooters only. :-( I'll probably end up the the Gravity Challenged class on my Kymco if I don't go on a diet!
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WHOO YEAH! Are the Aprilia Turbos really coming from www.higaintuning.com (http://www.higaintuning.com) in Colorado?
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This is an unfortunate tragedy but what has this to do with lsr or with El Mirage?
Pete
He is just laying a little pipe.
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WHOO YEAH! Are the Aprilia Turbos really coming from www.higaintuning.com (http://www.higaintuning.com) in Colorado?
I had an SR 50 with a full Malossi kit . I had up to about 65 mph and was going to run it in 2007 when the rule about 15 inch wheels came into play .So I sold it for a 250 cc bike . But I am very happy to see the Scooter Land speed contest.
Good luck with this event. I like the chop top SR.
the link is www.highgaintuning.com
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We are on the brink of publishing a Racer's Handbook for this event. Once approved it will be published to our website and e-mailed to entrants and prospective entrants. We're on the 4th draft and still drafting!
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Do people really still say Berdoo?? :-)
I haven't heard that one since Chevy Chase said it in one of his 80's flix.
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The San Berdoo Roadsters were an SCTA club in 1949.
They had a C/Street Roadster (former record-holder) entiered this year at SW. It currently holds the El Mirage record.
Stan Back
Crew Member
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In 1949 it was a all day trip to Berdoo from Lomita ( south bay) same with Riverside. Nothing but orange groves and a two lane road. All the memories of the greatest years to be a teen in socal.
:cheers:
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Sent this date to MSLSF officials:
Gentlepersons,
Please welcome Dennis Rowe, Chief Tech Inspector, to the MSILSF family. He has been a dear personal friend since junior high school, and brings to the table integrity, congeniality and 45+ years of extensive motorcycle experience. Dennis still rides a custom Suzuki GSX-R 1300!
Alan
1.R. TECHNICAL INSPECTION
Before being permitted to race all racers shall submit themselves and their scooter(s) to Technical Inspection in the Tech Inspection Area. Please do not bring more than one (1) Pit Crewperson to Tech. Racers are required to bring their racing apparel, including helmet, goggles, boots and gloves. Scooters will be inspected for compliance with RULES “N”, “P” and “Q”. Racers and scooters passing Tech Inspection will receive a Tech Sticker that will be placed on the scooter by a Tech Inspector. The decision of the Chief Technical Inspector as regards compliance with the aforementioned Rules is final.
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1.H. SYM HD200 EXEMPTION
Notwithstanding fitment of OEM 16" wheels, the SYM model HD200 fits the criteria of a motor-scooter in all other respects and will compete in-class per actual displacement.
What about an Aprilia Sacrebeo?
G
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We'll exempt the Sacrebo too upon request and receipt of an entry.
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We'll exempt the Sacrebo too upon request and receipt of an entry.
Now here's how you do things so that everybody that wants to compete may get a chance. Didn't even take a week to make a decision or produce an answer that satisfies everybody and still remains within the framework of the rules of the event.
Once again Alan-KUDOS! :cheers:
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We'll exempt the Sacrebo too upon request and receipt of an entry.
Now here's how you do things so that everybody that wants to compete may get a chance. Didn't even take a week to make a decision or produce an answer that satisfies everybody and still remains within the framework of the rules of the event.
Once again Alan-KUDOS! :cheers:
Rifleman,
You should run your LSR scooter and see what it would run... :wink:
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We'll exempt the Sacrebo too upon request and receipt of an entry.
Now here's how you do things so that everybody that wants to compete may get a chance. Didn't even take a week to make a decision or produce an answer that satisfies everybody and still remains within the framework of the rules of the event.
Once again Alan-KUDOS! :cheers:
Well , I was really just being a "sandal wearing actually" as I probably will not ship my scarebeo 500 from Aus to compete as i have only just got back from Bonneville and don't think I could really afford (girlfriend says no) to come back so soon.
But thanks Idefndm just the same
G
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This is how we're going to handle speed-tickets. Transparency, transparency, transparency! This is from our soon-to-be-published Racer's Handbook, Race Day Procedures, paragraph 7, that'll be available for perusal/print-out in pdf. on our website and handed out in printed form on race day. :roll:
7. Speed Recording.
The Chief Radarman shall record each Racer’s speed, thereafter communicating said speed to the Speed Ticket person positioned beyond the finish line. After passing the Radarman the Racer must immediately begin decreasing speed by rolling off the throttle, down-shifting, braking or a combination thereof. Racer’s shall come to a complete stop at the Finish Line before proceeding to the Speed Ticket Stand to retrieve their Official Speed Ticket. Racers who do not stop to retrieve their Speed Ticket at the end of their run may NOT return to the Speed Ticket Stand, but must instead wait until all competition has ended. NO EXCEPTIONS!
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This is how we're going to handle speed-tickets. Transparency, transparency, transparency! This is from our soon-to-be-published Racer's Handbook, Race Day Procedures, paragraph 7, that'll be available for perusal/print-out in pdf. on our website and handed out in printed form on race day. :roll:
7. Speed Recording.
The Chief Radarman shall record each Racer’s speed, thereafter communicating said speed to the Speed Ticket person positioned beyond the finish line. After passing the Radarman the Racer must immediately begin decreasing speed by rolling off the throttle, down-shifting, braking or a combination thereof. Racer’s shall come to a complete stop at the Finish Line before proceeding to the Speed Ticket Stand to retrieve their Official Speed Ticket. Racers who do not stop to retrieve their Speed Ticket at the end of their run may NOT return to the Speed Ticket Stand, but must instead wait until all competition has ended. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Let your competitors know that sudden throttle closings can cause some very interesting things to happen. Since most of the scoots run centrifugal clutches there shouldn't be too much engine braking to deal with,but let them know the surface on the lakebed can be very slick. I tell folks its like running on a billiard table coated with talcum powder. 'Finesse' is the word of the day. A sudden/hard brake application(especially with the disc equipped scoots) could very easily put someone on their head.
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Thank you very much! I will indeed tell them (the petrol-heads), since I have to make a "first run" after the riders' meeting -- per BLM requirements. However, I anticipate a number of vintage Vespas and Lambrettas with "gears". I need sexy red coolant and hydraulic lines for my Kymco S9!
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When we drafted Rule 1.N(c) DOT approved helmet, I knew I'd have to purchase yet another helmet if I wanted to wear a half-pot and goggles at El Mirage. This past Thursday I bought an HCI CORSA Retro at MotorSport Scooters, San Diego. I can't help but wonder though why we banned my Davida, an exact replica of Hailwood's helmet? It worked fine for him. 14 Isle of Man TT victories, 76 GP wins, 9 World Championships, and title "Motorcyclist of the Millenium". It's worked fine for me over the past few years having logged approximately 50,000 miles of freeway riding. I suppose in this day and age of political correctness we must minimize risk to ourselves, and eliminate the potential burden, financial and otherwise, we could become to others? In the olden days when we came unstuck off a racing motorcycle there were often consequences that have been minimized -- almost eliminated -- by modern technology.
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When we drafted Rule 1.N(c) DOT approved helmet, I knew I'd have to purchase yet another helmet if I wanted to wear a half-pot and goggles at El Mirage. This past Thursday I bought an HCI CORSA Retro at MotorSport Scooters, San Diego. I can't help but wonder though why we banned my Davida, an exact replica of Hailwood's helmet? It worked fine for him. 14 Isle of Man TT victories, 76 GP wins, 9 World Championships, and title "Motorcyclist of the Millenium". It's worked fine for me over the past few years having logged approximately 50,000 miles of freeway riding. I suppose in this day and age of political correctness we must minimize risk to ourselves, and eliminate the potential burden, financial and otherwise, we could become to others? In the olden days when we came unstuck off a racing motorcycle there were often consequences that have been minimized -- almost eliminated -- by modern technology.
Well,I wouldn't exactly say that you 'used' the Davida,you wore it. Had you actually used it,ya might have experienced the shortcomings of its older technology! :-D
There are a lot of great helmets sold in Asia and Europe that can be had through the internet. They don't have a DOT cert but are certified to the higher ECE,TUV and BSI Euro standards. Since this is your gig,your decision,unless BLM requires a DOT cert.
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Well, to keep the hypocracy to a dull roar I decided to bite the bullet and leave by Davida home for this event. Tain't right to require the boyz n' girls to wear DOTs and then make a run with my Davida.
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Well, to keep the hypocracy to a dull roar I decided to bite the bullet and leave by Davida home for this event. Tain't right to require the boyz n' girls to wear DOTs and then make a run with my Davida.
Well,this all boils down to "If ya got a $10.00 melon,wear a $10.00 helmet" scenario. I applaud your efforts to gear costs down,but the reality is that a 1/2 hat is a little under spec. IMHO a DOT dirt bike helmet with a chinbar should be a minimum requirement.
Myself,I've always worn full face. But that wasn't because of the perceived 'safety' of it,but rather the fact I took a Japanese Beetle to the forehead at about 80mph before the PRK(Peoples Republik of Kalifornia)mandated helmet use. Damn near took me off the bike.
Besides,in a 'road rage' scenario,theres nothing like going up against and adversary that just doesn't grasp the fact that you're wearing a full face helmet,gloves,leather jacket and boots. Or at least they don't grasp it until the second or third blow! :evil:
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A nice sunny day in the low 70s? Relaxed atmosphere? Hopefully no chaos!
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com> (http://Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com>)
Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 5:44:53 AM
Subject: REVISED UPDATE; First Annual Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, Nov. 21st 2010, El Mirage Dry Lake, CA
Dear Entrant / Prospective Entrant,
We now have 16 entries, and 20 pre-entries (active entries). Some of the pre-entrants have indicated they intend to enter more than one scooter. If all of the pre-entries actually enter, we're probably approaching the 40 entry mark. Our goal for this first event is 50 scooters, and 300 spectators. So, if you're pre-entered please complete your entry asap, and encourage a friend to enter.
Thank you for your enthusiasm and competitive spirit.
Sincerely,
Alan Spears,
Scootermeister
#123 Alan S. ~ Kymco/Malossi S9 70cc
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 150cc
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 200cc
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Gilera 175cc
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Vespa 400cc
#127 Richard N. ~ Kymco 250cc
#130 Kathleen H. ~ Piaggio MP3 500cc
#133 Lewis L. ~ Salsbury 250cc Sidecar
#133 Lewis L. ~ Zundapp 200cc
#142 Joe B. ~ CalSctr 150cc Hybrid
#145 Linda H. ~ Yamaha 400cc
#147 Dan S. ~ Kymco S9 50cc
#149 Will H. ~ Vespa 150cc
#150 Josh R. ~ Yamaha 500cc
#155 Alan C. ~ Honda 50cc
#159 Sean F. ~ Vespa 175cc
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Even tho riders wear them a lot...Most only USE a helmet once............................................. :cry:
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Now this is getting interesting.
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Alan Spears
To: Kathleen Hilz
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 1:39:38 PM
Subject: 500cc Class: Piaggio MP3 500 vs. Yamaha TMAX 500
Here's your 500cc Class competition, Ms. Hilz! Josh Rogers from ScootMagazine just entered a 2011 Yamaha TMAX 500cc twin-cylinder!
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/607/0/home.aspx (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/607/0/home.aspx)
You certainly have your work cut out for you, but you'll probably get a lot of media attention because you're competing against Josh, female, and riding a 3-wheeler? Have Nick at MotorSport Scooters give your scoot a major going-over just before the race.
Out of an abundance of caution, Ms. Hilz will be wearing a Snell-approved Shoei, high-top leather boots and a jacket with armor.
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:-o
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Tod L
To: alanspears@motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org (http://alanspears@motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org)
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 4:56:24 PM
Subject: Class for Electric Scooters
Good Day Alan,
Wanted to check and see if there will be a class for electric scooters?
Thanks,
Tod
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From: Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com (http://msilsf@yahoo.com)>
To: Tod L
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:45:54 PM
Subject: Re: Class for Electric Scooters
Tod,
You have no idea how happy I am to receive your inquiry! I sent out feelers to electric scooter distributors and didn't receive so much as one response.
By all means "Yes!", we'll create an electric scooter class. We don't know any thing about electric scooters, so perhaps you can help us formulate one or two classes to accommodate them?
Please let me hear back from you as soon as possible.
Thank you so very much for your enthusiasm.
Sincerely,
Alan
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We have extended an invitation to Steve Fambro to enter a Aptera 2E, offering to create a special electric sidecar class. The Aptera has 14" wheels (3 of them), and is licensed as a cycle/scooter. :-D
My dear friend Bob Bakker, AMA/BUB and FIM World Land-Speed Sidecar Record Holder, was going to attend our event as an honored guest. But he's going to the AMA Banquet in La Vegas, NV to welcome his passenger, Larry Coleman, 3x AMA National Sidecar Champion, in to the Motorcycle Hall of Fame!
Official Confirmed Entries:
#123 Alan S. ~ Kymco/Malossi S9 70cc
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 150cc
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 200cc
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Gilera 175cc
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Vespa/Malossi 400cc
#127 Richard N. ~ Kymco 250cc
#130 Kathleen H. ~ Piaggio MP3 500cc
#133 Lewis L. ~ Salsbury 250cc Sidecar
#133 Lewis L. ~ Zundapp 200cc
#138 Michael A. ~ Lambretta 200cc
#142 Joe B. ~ CalSctr 150cc Hybrid
#145 Linda H. ~ Yamaha 400cc
#147 Dan S. ~ Kymco S9 50cc
#149 Will H. ~ Vespa/Malossi 150cc
#150 Josh R. ~ Yamaha TMAX 500cc
#155 Alan C. ~ Honda 50cc
#159 Sean F. ~ Vespa 175cc
#163 Stanton S. ~ Honda 250cc
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Really sorry, I will not make it to the "Scooter Meet" but the induction of Larry Coleman falls on the same weekend. In addition to Larry's induction we will have our landspeed sidecar on display. Larry will also
collect a AMA Medal on Sunday (Nov. 21) for setting a new record at this year BUB Meet. Busy weekend!!
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Bob,
Congrats and tell Larry way to go.. :cheers:
Weel ona steek.. :cheers:
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Thanks John.......................(218mph on 3 wheels...your still our Hero)
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Bob please tell Larry hello and hope to see you soon, what events will you be at the rest of the year?
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Alan Spears
To: Bob Bakker
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:50:44 PM
Subject: Honda Turbo Sidecar Entry
Robert,
We're pleased to have generated another sidecar team entry! Small wheels are our forte.
:-D
Alan
#165 Josh & Jim S. ~ Honda 50cc Turbo Sidecar
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:-D
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Dear Land-Speed Enthusiast,
Our latest entry, John G. #173, is traveling from Ft. McCoy, FL!
Will H. #149 is traveling from Memphis, TN.
Lewis L. #133 is traveling from San Antonio, TX.
One of our entrants, Patrick D. #161 (Ojai, CA), listed his reason for entering as: "To help make the event successful and race at El Mirage like my father did with Model A Fords before WWII. . . ."
Official Confirmed Entries: (Sponsor(s)* / Club Affiliation **)
#123 Alan S. ~ Kymco/Malossi S9 70cc; *Maxima Racing Oils; MotorSport Scooters
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 150cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 200cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Gilera Runner 175cc; *MotorSport Scooters
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Vespa/Malossi 400cc; *MotorSport Scooters
#127 Richard N. ~ Kymco 250cc
#130 Kathleen H. ~ Piaggio MP3 500cc; *Prolong; HVMP Bar Ends
#132 Joel W. ~ Gilera Runner 200cc; **Hard Pack SC, ** 9’ers SC, ** Vespa Club of Lisbon
#133 Lewis L. ~ Salsbury 250cc+ Sidecar; **International Salsbury Restorers Society
#133 Lewis L. ~ Zundapp 200cc; **International Salsbury Restorers Society
#138 Michael A. ~ Lambretta 200cc; **San Joaquin Treads; **Lambretta Club USA; *Jet200.com
#139 David G. ~ Eton Matrix R4 150cc; **Petrol-Heads
#141 Gregory N. ~ Vespa 200cc; ** Black Sheep
#142 Joe B. ~ CalSctr 150cc Hybrid; *California Scooter Company
#145 Linda H. ~ Yamaha 400cc; **Twisted Riderz
#147 Dan S. ~ Kymco S9 50cc; *Otay Lakes Training Center, LLC
#148 Jesse D. ~ Vespa 200cc; *ModernVespa.com
#149 Will H. ~ Vespa/Malossi 150cc; **Memphis Kings Scooter Club
#150 Josh R. ~ Yamaha TMAX 500cc; *ScootMagazine.com
#155 Alan C. ~ Honda 50cc; **Ton Up Club San Diego
#159 Sean F. ~ Vespa 175cc
#161 Pat D. ~ Honda Rukus 50cc
#163 Stanton S. ~ Honda Helix 250cc; **Sky Island Riders
#164 Richard G. ~ Piaggio 300cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#165 Joshua S. ~ Honda 50cc Turbo Sidecar; *Yoshifab Racing
#173 Glenn G. ~ Jonway YTT 250cc;
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how long is the course? i was thinking early day scooters. concerns of speeds with bigger engine sizes . make sure u have a short course for rookies. racing is racing is racing people mantality is clowed,. :cheers:
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It's 1/2 mile and timed with radar guns. All on his web site, look it up
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SPECIAL EVENT TROPHIES
In addition to the trophies awarded to the racers for setting Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Records, MSILSF is making the following special trophy presentations:
Best Prepared Scooter
Best Dressed Racer
Competing for Fastest Vintage Scooter:
#124 PATRICK O., 1968 VESPA PRIMAVERA 150cc
#133 LEWIS L, 1949 .SALSBURY 318cc
#133 LEWIS L, 1958 .ZUNDAPP 200cc
#149 WILLIAM H,, 1968 VESPA ET-3 PRIMAVERA 150cc
#171 STEPHEN W,, 1969 LAMBRETTA/RAYSPEED GP 250cc
Competing for Fastest Female Rider:
#130 KATHLEEN H. ~ PIAGGIO MP3 500cc
#145 LINDA H. ~ YAMAHA MAJESTY 400cc
Competing for Most Mature (Eldest) Rider:
#133 LEWIS L., 1958 ZUNDAPP 200cc (1943)
#139 DAVID G., ETON MATRIX R4 150cc (1941)
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Dear Prospective Entrant,
This letter is being sent to the entire mailing list in the hope it will be forwarded to all prospective entrants. If you're fully entered, please be so kind as to simply forward this e-mail to any one you know who may be contemplating entering.
Thank you for your interest in the First Annual U.S. Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, and for initiating the application process.
In order to clear up any possible confusion or misunderstanding regarding "Pre-Entry" status, it is imperative that I inform you that the only way to enter this event is completion of all parts of the on-line entry application and payment of an entry fee for each scooter you are entering. Perhaps more importantly, entries close at midnight on October 22nd, after which we will not be accepting any additional entries. This date has been selected as the cut-off date for both practical and administrative reasons. This letter is not intended to give you the "bums rush", but merely to inform you of the procedure that was set in place from the inception of this event.
Thank you for your enthusiasm and competitive spirit.
Sincerely,
Alan Spears,
Scootermeister
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Res ipsa loquitur:
http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=1513 (http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=1513)
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Res ipsa loquitur:
http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=1513 (http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=1513)
Thanks for the link! The Mustang caused the 15" wheel rule to come into play first in AMA racing,then SCTA comp. Pretty sad the big bike mfg were so afraid of it and that this discriminating rule helped destroy a fledgling company and a really neat bike.
MFFM!
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It appears to be a very old pix. No Snell full-coverage helmet! No leathers. Just a cork half-pot -- possibly an Everoak, long sleeve T-Shirt, and Levis! And he lived! OMG!
My being precluded from entering my Kymco S9 Malossi in SCTA because of its 15" minimum wheel size Rule, and having to compete against motorcycles in AMA/BUB, is the sole reason for the creation of MSILSF. This endeavor has cost me a lot of dough, and please let me say unequivocally: we're here to stay!
Confirmed Entries as of 17OCT2010 @ 0700 PST:
CLASSES/RACERS:
50cc
#147 DAN SMITH, KYMCO S9 50cc
#155 ALLAN CHILDERS, HONDA METROPOLITAN 50cc
#161 PATRICK DEXTER, HONDA RUKUS 50cc
70cc
#123 ALAN SPEARS, KYMCO S9 70cc
100cc
No 100cc Entries
125cc
#169 R. BROOKS RUSSELL, VESPA 125cc
150cc
#124 PATRICK OWENS, 1968 VESPA PRIMAVERA 150cc
#139 DAVID GARMAN, ETON MATRIX R4 150cc
#149 WILLIAM HATCHER, 1968 VESPA ET-3 PRIMAVERA 150cc
150cc Hybrid
#142 JOE BERK, CALIFORNIA CLASSIC SCOOTER 150cc Hybrid
175cc
#126 JEFFREY CORSARO, GILERA RUNNER 175cc
#159 SEAN M. FISHER, VESPA T5 (172cc)
200cc
#124 PATRICK OWENS, VESPA 200cc
#132 JOEL WISMER, GILERA RUNNER 200cc
#133 LEWIS LAURITO, 1958 ZUNDAPP 200cc
#138 MICHAEL ANHALT, 1979 LAMBRETTA 200cc
#141 GREGORY NICOLLE, VESPA 200cc
#144 WAID PARKER, ITALJET DRAGSTER 180cc
#148 JESSE DEVINE ~ VESPA 200cc
#177 RYAN, VESPA P200 VSE 200cc
250cc
#127 RICHARD NEWMAN, KYMCO 250cc
#144 WAID PARKER, VESPA P200cc (210cc)
#163 STANTON SCOTT, HONDA 250cc
#171 STEPHEN WEST, 1969 LAMBRETTA/RAYSPEED GP 250cc
#173 GLENN GEARY, JONWAY YTT 250cc
#175 MICHAEL FRANKOVICH, SYM RV250cc
300cc
#126 JEFFREY CORSARO, VESPA SUPER 300cc
#144 WAID PARKER, VESPA GTS 250cc (275cc)
#164 RICHARD GLASS, PIAGGIO 300cc
400cc
#145 LINDA HURLEY, YAMAHA MAJESTY 400cc
500cc
#130 KATHLEEN HILZ ~ PIAGGIO MP3 500cc
#150 JOSH ROGERS ~ YAMAHA TMAX 500cc
650cc
No 650cc Entries
Sidecar Class to 250cc
No 0 to 250cc Sidecar Entries
Sidecar Class 251cc to 650cc
#133 LEWIS LAURITO, 1949 SALSBURY 318cc
Sidecar Class 50cc Turbo
#165 JOSHUA ADLER, HONDA SIDECAR 50cc TURBO
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So, we all want to know, how did it go on Sunday?
ooops, that was just a date for confirmed entries. My bad, sorry.
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rifleman
this has my curiosity peaked.... when did the AMA ban 15"tires? and when and why did the SCTA follow suite?
Mustang produced motorcycle from 1945 to about 1972 hardly what you would call a fledgling company... wasn't it the lack of Burma trans and other parts that took the company out?
Kent
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Motor-Scooter International Land-Speed Federation
Host of the First Annual U.S. Motor-Scooter Land-Speed Trials, Nov. 21st 2010, El Mirage Dry Lake, CA
Official Confirmed Entries: (Sponsor(s)* / Club Affiliation **)
#123 Alan S. ~ Kymco/Malossi S9 70cc; *Maxima Racing Oils; *MotorSport Scooters
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 150cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#124 Patrick O. ~ Vespa 200cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Gilera Runner 175cc; *MotorSport Scooters
#126 Jeffrey C. ~ Vespa/Malossi 300cc; *MotorSport Scooters
#127 Richard N. ~ Kymco 250cc
#130 Kathleen H. ~ Piaggio MP3 500cc; *Prolong; *HVMP Bar Ends; *MotorSport Scooters
#132 Joel W. ~ Gilera Runner 200cc; **Hard Pack SC, ** 9’ers SC, ** Vespa Club of Lisbon
#133 Lewis L. ~ Salsbury 250cc+ Sidecar; **International Salsbury Restorers Society
#133 Lewis L. ~ Vespa 150cc + Sidecar; **International Salsbury Restorers Society
#138 Michael A. ~ Lambretta 200cc; **San Joaquin Treads; **Lambretta Club USA; *Jet200.com
#139 David G. ~ Genuine Buddy Black Jack 150cc; **Petrol-Heads
#141 Gregory N. ~ Vespa 200cc; ** Black Sheep
#142 Joe B. ~ CalSctr 150cc Hybrid; *California Scooter Company
#144 Waid P. ~ Vespa GTS 250 (275cc)
#144 Waid P. ~ Vespa P200 (210cc)
#144 Waid P. ~ Italjet Dragster 180cc
#145 Linda H. ~ Yamaha 400cc; **Twisted Riderz
#146 Scott M. ~ Yamaha Zuma 70cc
#147 Dan S. ~ Kymco S9 50cc; *Otay Lakes Training Center, LLC
#148 Jesse D. ~ Vespa 200cc; *ModernVespa.com
#149 Will H. ~ Vespa ET3/Malossi 150cc; **Memphis Kings Scooter Club
#150 Josh R. ~ Yamaha TMAX 500cc; *ScootMagazine.com
#153 Tara P. ~ Yamaha Riva 70cc; *WERA; **Heat Seized Scooter Club
#155 Alan C. ~ Honda 50cc; **Ton Up Club San Diego
#156 Lorenzo O. ~ Yamaha Vino 125cc; **RBP
#159 Sean F. ~ Vespa T5 175cc
#161 Pat D. ~ Honda Rukus 50cc
#163 Stanton S. ~ Honda Helix 250cc; **Sky Island Riders
#162 David H. ~ Lambretta Starstream 125cc; **Lambretta Club USA
#164 Richard G. ~ Piaggio 300cc; **Vespa Club of Los Gatos
#165 Joshua S. ~ Honda 50cc Turbo Sidecar; *Yoshifab Racing
#168 Ryan J. ~ Genuine Buddy Black Jack 175cc
#168 Ryan J. ~ TNG Venice 100cc
#169 R. Brooks R. ~ Vespa 125cc; *Polini Cup; **CCSP; **Push Start
#170 Art H. ~ Suzuki Burgman 650cc
#171 Stephen W. ~ Lambretta /Rayspeed GP 250cc
#173 Glenn G. ~ Jonway YY 250T 250cc; *Geary Racing Enterprises
#172 Stanley B. ~ Yamaha Riva XC 125cc; **Push-Star MSC; **Riva Militia
#175 Michael F. ~ SYM RV250cc; *NoHo Scooters, No. Hollywood, CA
#177 Ryan ~ Vespa P200 VSE 200cc
#179 Dean S. ~ Lambretta Servetta SX200cc
#180 Rachael G. ~ Genuine Buddy 50cc; *NoHoScooters, North Hollywood, CA
#180 Rachael G. ~ Genuine Buddy BlackJack 150cc; * NoHoScooters, No. Hollywood, CA
#181 Julie B. ~ Vespa 50 Special 100cc
#182 Gary S. ~ Fuji S-101 Superflow Rabbit 250cc
#183 Phil C. ~ Vespa 100 150cc
#183 Phil C. ~ Vespa Rally 180 250cc
#184 Kirk S. ~ Vespa 125 150cc
#186 Michael T. ~ Kymco Super 8; *American Motorcyclist Association
#187 Kristian S. ~ Vespa VB1 150cc *BarItaliaClassics, Van Nuys, CA
#188 Molly A. ~ Honda Metropolitan Ghost 50cc
#189 Michael C. ~ Vespa P200 (210cc) **First and Last Chance, East Bay, CA
#190 James S. ~ Puma La Vida 50cc; *Down Town Scooter, Albuquerque, NM; ** Lawnmowers from Hell, Alb., NM
#191 Justin Magana ~ Vespa PE200 200cc; **FLCSC, Oakland, CA
#192 Aaron M. ~ Vespa 150cc
#192 Aaron M. ~ 1960 Lambretta LI/TV 200cc
#193 Craig B. ~ 1965 Lambretta LJ 250cc; **Lambretta Club USA
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No Cushmans, Powells, Salisburys or Mustangs.
Bummer!
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Might be rained out if the lake bed gets any further rain.. :-o
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One Salsbury, Entry #133, and one Mustang Replica, Entry #142. :-)
What does SCTA do for Plan "B" when it rains?
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Plan B is usually cancel. Do scooters float? If they do there might be a plan C.
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Mother Nature may not like Scooters any more than she does Roadsters.
FREUD
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The plan B for a late Nov. meet will be - see you next year at the First Annual ... version 2.0
DW
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I guess this is why we have a realtor looking for a level strip of land in Imperial County? In any event, with racers planning on traveling from Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Mexico, Arizona, and Northern California I must develop and implement contingency plans. My dad used to tell me: "No one likes a quitter."
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The nice part is that you won't need 11 miles.
FREUD
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CLASSES/RACERS:
50cc
#147 DAN SMITH, KYMCO S9 50cc
#155 ALLAN CHILDERS, HONDA METROPOLITAN 50cc
#161 PATRICK DEXTER, HONDA RUCKUS 50cc
#180 RACHAEL GRIEGO, GENUINE BUDDY 50cc
#188 MOLLY AKIN, HONDA METROPOLITAN GHOST 50cc
#190 JAMES SAPIENZ, PUMA LA VIDA 50cc
70cc
#123 ALAN SPEARS, KYMCO S9 MALOSSI 70cc
#146 JEFF MARTINEZ, YAMAHA ZUMA 70cc
#153 TARA PIERCE, YAMAHA VINO MALOSSI 70cc
100cc
#168 RYAN JEFFRIES, TNG 100cc
#181 JULIE BUCKNER, VESPA 50 SPECIAL 100cc
125cc
#156 LORENZO ORTIZ, YAMAHA VINO 125cc
#162 DAVID HIGHWAY, 1966 LAMBRETTA STARSTREAM 125cc
#169 R. BROOKS RUSSELL, VESPA 125cc
#172 STANLEY BEEBE, YAMAHA XC RIVA 125cc
150cc
#124 PATRICK OWENS, 1968 VESPA PRIMAVERA 150cc
#139 DAVID GARMAN, GENUINE BUDDY BLACK JACK 150cc
#149 WILLIAM HATCHER, 1981 VESPA ET3 PRIMAVERA/MALOSSI 150cc
#180 RACHAEL GRIEGO, GENUINE BUDDY BLACK JACK 150cc
#183 PHIL CAREY, 1980 VESPA 120 150cc
#184 KIRK SNELL, 1967 VESPA 125 150cc
#186 MICHAEL TOCKEY, KYMCO S8 150cc
#192 AARON McDONALD, VESPA 150cc
150cc Hybrid
#142 SYLVAIN BINAU, CALIFORNIA SCOOTER COMPANY CLASSIC 150cc Hybrid
175cc
#126 JEFFREY CORSARO, GILERA RUNNER 175cc
#159 SEAN M. FISHER, 1985 VESPA T5 (172cc)
#168 RYAN JEFFRIES, GENUINE BUDDY BLACK JACK 175cc
200cc
#124 PATRICK OWENS, VESPA 200cc
#132 JOEL WISMER, GILERA RUNNER 200cc
#138 MICHAEL ANHALT, 1963 LAMBRETTA 200cc
#141 GREGORY NICOLLE, 1979 VESPA 200cc
#144 WAID PARKER, ITALJET DRAGSTER 180cc
#148 JESSE DEVINE ~ VESPA 200cc
#177 RYAN KENNELLY ~ 1980 VESPA P200 VSE 200cc
#179 DEAN SUINN, 1974 LAMBRETTA SERVETTA SX200cc
#189 MICHAEL CANCILLA, 1979 VESPA P200cc
#191 JUSTIN MAGANA, 1979 VESPA P200cc
#192 AARON McDONALD, 1960s LAMBRETTA LI/TV 200cc
250cc
#127 RICHARD NEWMAN, KYMCO 250cc
#144 WAID PARKER, 1980 VESPA P200cc (210cc)
#163 STANTON SCOTT, HONDA 250cc
#171 STEPHEN WEST, 1969 LAMBRETTA/RAYSPEED GP 250cc
#173 GLENN GEARY, JONWAY YY250T 250cc
#175 MICHAEL FRANKOVICH, SYM RV250cc
#183 PHIL CAREY, 1971 VESPA RALLY 180 250cc
#187 KRISTIAN STORLI, 1957 VESPA VB1 150 (210cc)
#193 CRAIG BACHLER, 1965 LAMBRETTA LI 250cc
250cc Hybrid
#182 GARY SLOAN, FUJI S-101 SUPERFLOW RABBIT 250cc
300cc
#126 JEFFREY CORSARO, VESPA SUPER 300cc
#144 WAID PARKER, VESPA GTS 250cc (275cc)
#164 RICHARD GLASS, PIAGGIO 300cc
400cc
#145 LINDA HURLEY, YAMAHA MAJESTY 400cc
500cc
#130 KATHLEEN HILZ ~ PIAGGIO MP3 500cc
#150 JOSH ROGERS ~ YAMAHA TMAX 500cc
650cc
#170 ART HARRISON, SUZUKI BURGMAN EXECUTIVE 650cc
Sidecar Class to 250cc
#133 LEWIS LAURITO, 1963 VESPA w/Sidecar 150cc
Sidecar Class 251cc to 650cc
#133 LEWIS LAURITO, 1949 SALSBURY w/Sidecar 318cc
Sidecar Class 50cc Turbo
#165 JOSHUA ADLER, HONDA TURBO SIDECAR OUTFIT 50cc
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As W.C. Fields once quipped, "Talk's cheap. It takes money to buy whiskey." I drove to El Mirage yesterday to see the lake for myself. What I observed from the gate with the big red stop sign that says Lake Closed was a standing puddle toward the center. I believe I was facing west toward Los Angeles County. The area to the left of the puddle (south?) appears bone dry. The area immediately to the right of the entrance on to the lakebed running (to the north?) toward the Shadow Mountains appears bone dry. So much for the rumors the lake is full of water! Horsefeathers!
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The lake bed full of water report was following the rain storm prior to last weekend's scheduled event. Of course there is some evidence of water recession.
Rain last night has now added to "small" puddle you observed. I posted in another thread that an inspection will be made on Nov. 6th, and the decision to race will be announced on/before Nov. 10th.
Good luck with your event the following week. If the BLM posts the LakeBed Closed sign will you get an injunction to enter the area?
DW
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DW,
LOL! I'm not saying or threatening any thing that four lawyers with ninety-three years of combined legal experience are or aren't likely to do. As of yesterday there was plenty of bone-dry lake bed of sufficient length for us to hold our little piddly event. I am extremely hopeful the nice folks at BLM will accommodate us on November 21st.
:-D
Alan
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......this certainly epitomizes my confidence with key individuals of the judicial system....
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Four lawyers, 93 years of experience. Man, I don't think the BLM or Mother Nature have a hope in hell of preventing this meet for going on!
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Alan, what happens is, if there is a little "puddle" on the lake bed and they open it to the public the 4-wheelers will turn it into a mud bog. The lakebed is protected by the BLM for that very reason. As mentioned above, you CANT compete with mother nature! If your event has to be cancelled your just gonna have to deal with it or find someplace else to run.
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You guys are cracking me up! I have no intention of asking a Federal Judge to pick a padlock in boonies. We have a Plan "B" that will hopefully work out and, if not, we'll run the event some other time. Thousand of dollars worth of trophies and gear can sit in storage, and we'll eventually get around to using it. Maybe I can sell the trophies to Murphy's? The joint was closed yesterday or I've have stopped and swilled down a few cold ones.
:cheers:
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FYI, Scott and I were out there yesterday for mud patrol, and at the west end there was water shore to shore. The wind will blow the water from end to end, side to side, and perhaps when you were there Saturday, the wind had it all down where the SCTA starting line and pits would be. It is by no means dry, and anyone travelling on it would leave trails that would be hard to remove, if you could get your vehicle back off the lakebed. It appears that the weather forecast for next week could work in our favor, but the powers that be will ultimately make the decision.
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FYI, Scott and I were out there yesterday for mud patrol, and at the west end there was water shore to shore. The wind will blow the water from end to end, side to side, and perhaps when you were there Saturday, the wind had it all down where the SCTA starting line and pits would be. It is by no means dry, and anyone travelling on it would leave trails that would be hard to remove, if you could get your vehicle back off the lakebed. It appears that the weather forecast for next week could work in our favor, but the powers that be will ultimately make the decision.
Thanks for the report Paula. Don't forget to call me when you figure out what Saturday I'm doing patrol.
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This doesn't look very promising:
Monday, November 08
Few Showers 67°
37°
Rise: 7:16 AM Set: 5:50 PM Rise: 10:02 AM Set: 7:58 PM
Few showers. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the upper 30s.
UV Index: 4 (Moderate)
Relative Humidity: 46%
Precipitation: 30%
Snow Probability: 3%
Cloud Coverage: 33%
Moon Phase: Waxing Crescent
Wind Speed: 9Mph (14Km, 7Kts)
Wind Direction: 246° (WSW)
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This doesn't look very promising:
Monday, November 08
Few Showers 67°
37°
Rise: 7:16 AM Set: 5:50 PM Rise: 10:02 AM Set: 7:58 PM
Few showers. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the upper 30s.
UV Index: 4 (Moderate)
Relative Humidity: 46%
Precipitation: 30%
Snow Probability: 3%
Cloud Coverage: 33%
Moon Phase: Waxing Crescent
Wind Speed: 9Mph (14Km, 7Kts)
Wind Direction: 246° (WSW)
TRUE BUT CHECK OUT THE MOON PHASE? LOOKS GOOD TO ME!
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FYI
El Mirage Status
From: Timothy
To: Alan Spears
Cc: LarryBlaine
El Mirage Photo.pdf (132KB)
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Hi Alan,
I just spoke with the El Mirage coordinator, and received a photo of it's
current condition. I still do not know how long the lake bed will remain
closed. Moreover, there is a possibility that it will receive more rain in
the near future. In light of this, I recommend that you think about a
possible cut-off date for your members as many of them are coming from
quite a distance. If El Mirage does not dry out within the next 21 days,
we will honor any date in the future that does not conflict with a
grandfathered event. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel
free to contact me either through my email, or at my desk, I should be here
all week. If you need anything else, please let me know.
Thanks,
Tim
(See attached file: El Mirage Photo.pdf)
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This doesn't look very promising:
Monday, November 08
Few Showers 67°
37°
Rise: 7:16 AM Set: 5:50 PM Rise: 10:02 AM Set: 7:58 PM
Few showers. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the upper 30s.
UV Index: 4 (Moderate)
Relative Humidity: 46%
Precipitation: 30%
Snow Probability: 3%
Cloud Coverage: 33%
Moon Phase: Waxing Crescent
Wind Speed: 9Mph (14Km, 7Kts)
Wind Direction: 246° (WSW)
Yep,I have a feeling ALL of us are done for the rest of the year. :x
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So I am doing a rain dance here in Wisconsin to try to pull the rain away from El mirage. I know it doesn't look good but my plane tickets are purchased already. I am there for the weekend.
I am really trying to see if I can still get a rookie pass if the show goes on.
Can someone recommend a place to stay and possibly a place to rent a motorcycle? If I have a couple of days to kill what would one suggest I do?
I guess one can :cheers:
Thanks
Burton
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Days Inn, Adelanto is the closest accommodation to Elmo. If the SCTA event is called, treat yourself to a nice weekend elsewhere. There not too much to do in Adelanto. :roll:
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Ditto!
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So I am doing a rain dance here in Wisconsin to try to pull the rain away from El mirage. I know it doesn't look good but my plane tickets are purchased already. I am there for the weekend.
I am really trying to see if I can still get a rookie pass if the show goes on.
Can someone recommend a place to stay and possibly a place to rent a motorcycle? If I have a couple of days to kill what would one suggest I do?
I guess one can :cheers:
Thanks
Burton
Vegas is only three hours away.........nice way to spend your time if you can't race!!!!!
Buzz
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Uh, please don't worry about a thing. I'll have this figured out in no time. :-D
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450%281986%29025%3C0371%3APEOLE%3E2.0.CO%3B2 (http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450%281986%29025%3C0371%3APEOLE%3E2.0.CO%3B2)
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The venue for the First Annual United States Motor-Scooter Land-Speed trials, originally advertised as El Mirage Dry Lake, has been changed. Our organization took a radical approach to the BLM's closure of El Mirage. Instead of waiting for the BLM to decide, contemplating canceling the event, rolling over entry fees to 2011, and leaving racers hanging until the eleventh hour to possibly be greatly disappointed, we immediately commenced working on Plan "B"! Before proceeding with our plan to change the venue of our November 21st event we considered travel distances:
Albuquerque (Elmo 732 mi.; Devore 734 miles)
North Hollywood (Elmo 76 miles; Devore 63 miles)
San Diego (Elmo 151 miles; Devore 117 miles)
San Jose (Elmo 357; Devore 389 miles)
The slightly longer drive for NorCal residents seemed negligible, so we proceeded accordingly.
I am pleased to advise our change of venue plan from El Mirage Dry Lake to Mother Road: Historic Route 66 is in the issuance phase. We fully expect the issued permit to be forthcoming well in advance of our event date.
If you made reservations at Days Inn, Adelanto, CA, please send your confirmation number and full name registered under. Event Exec. Kathleen Hilz will be calling Days Inn Corporate in an attempt to transfer all reservations to the Days Inn about three miles from the venue.
To our knowledge this is the first event of its kind -- motor-scooter land-speed trials on Route 66! We're pretty stoked! In fact, Carl Hancock, Scott Hamblin and I walked the race course Friday. Pix attached.
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WOW,the change to old route 66 from a wet El Mirage is some really GREAT out of the box thinking!!!! I believe everyone who is involved with the event, participant or official, or spectater now knows why you are the "MEISTER",Mister Alan Spears.. Congratulations, Mike R.
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Days Inn, Adelanto is the closest accommodation to Elmo. If the SCTA event is called, treat yourself to a nice weekend elsewhere. There not too much to do in Adelanto. :roll:
As a resident of the above mentioned burg,I can confirm that! :-D
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WOW,the change to old route 66 from a wet El Mirage is some really GREAT out of the box thinking!!!! I believe everyone who is involved with the event, participant or official, or spectater now knows why you are the "MEISTER",Mister Alan Spears.. Congratulations, Mike R.
+10! Alan,you are The Man! I've used that little stretch of road for years as a place to 'blow the carbon out'. Pretty good surface too. Gonna bum out the pole smokers over at Queer Creek though when the road gets closed! :-D
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For the record:
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Alan Spears <msilsf@yahoo.com>
To: fergs57@aol.com
Cc: office@scta-bni.org; reyres@san.rr.com; miriammacmillan@me.com; rileylsracing@sbcglobal.net; blattin69@yahoo.com; "Carl Hancock, VP Operations" <carlhancock@motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org>; "Michael E. Turner, Esq." <MichaelTurnerEsq@motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org>; "Kathleen Hilz, Event Executive" <kathleenhilz@motorscooterlandspeedfederation.org>
Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 10:36:02 PM
Subject: Fw: First Annual U.S. Motor-Scooter Land-S peed Trials, November 21st 2010
Dear Mr. Ferguson,
Attached for your perusal is an e-mail I sent to Tim Hough at BLM as regards our intention not to race at El Mirage on November 21st.
Sincerely,
Alan Spears
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Nevada is great and has some open roads that can be closed with a permit from the county for the road the county is in..
J
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I've got a question on the title of this thread...How can it be the "1st annual"? Don't you need to do it twice first?...If the second on never happens then it's only the first and not annual...............Picky Picky :evil:
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Rain is in the forcast for this weekend? I was wanting to go and spectate, will you run in the rain?