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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: Pumpkin on August 02, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
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When might we see them?
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They havn't got home yet, give them a few days.
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Gotcha, thanks.
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will they be posted on the lta-lsr website or on the ecta website?
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They'll be posted on the LTA site. It's a manual process as they haven't set it up electronically like the other venues so I imagine it will take a little while to validate, type & post.
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any ideas if/when the results will be posted? thanks
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Donna is almost done cross checked them. Expect to see results sometime next week.
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super! and thank you to whoever had to do all the work!
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Thanks again to the Timneys, and all the LTA folks for their continuing effort. -Dean
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I've been to the LTA website and noticed that there is no data on the speeds from this years event, does anybody know if there were any G/GSS cars running this year and if so, how much they went over my 2009 record?
I might be back in 2012 but next year my plans are to use my limited (Social Security) travel funds to run Bonneville rather than Loring, it's on my Bucket List. If we can get the Wabbit fixed in time I'll run the October Maxton event.
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John,
I think your Loring record is intact. I did not see any G/GSS at the event, there may have been one but if so I missed it.
Hope to see you at Maxton in October
Charles
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I've been to the LTA website and noticed that there is no data on the speeds from this years event, does anybody know if there were any G/GSS cars running this year and if so, how much they went over my 2009 record?
I might be back in 2012 but next year my plans are to use my limited (Social Security) travel funds to run Bonneville rather than Loring, it's on my Bucket List. If we can get the Wabbit fixed in time I'll run the October Maxton event.
There may have been one. But, I believe your record is safe. I may see you at Bonneville next year.
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I've been to the LTA website and noticed that there is no data on the speeds from this years event, does anybody know if there were any G/GSS cars running this year and if so, how much they went over my 2009 record?
I might be back in 2012 but next year my plans are to use my limited (Social Security) travel funds to run Bonneville rather than Loring, it's on my Bucket List. If we can get the Wabbit fixed in time I'll run the October Maxton event.
There may have been one. But, I believe your record is safe. I may see you at Bonneville next year.
I am going to have to work my schedule around two reunions that I will be attending and it looks like I will only be able to make the last Bonneville race in the year, I think it will most likely be in early October, correct me if I'm wrong. I was stationed at Hill AFB near Ogden back in the early 60's and that time of the year can be very beautiful and I plan on doing some motorcycle riding in the Wasatch mountains while I'm there.
Charles, I'm looking forward to seeing your Stude, I had a similar model when I was at Hill AFB......................Back In The Day(http://www.scsportscar.com/uploads/smil40096d8d6ddf5.gif)
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1305 views, i guess im not the only one who wants to see the results....
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I have been checking a couple times each week....
Roy
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Maybe peopel need to get on Bob's A to get it done, or maybe his abacus is broken.
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I've been checking on a nearly daily basis as well...
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Donna is almost done cross checked them. Expect to see results sometime next week.
It took a while last year, should be soon. :roll:
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results aren't going to change.
it's a lot of work.
franey
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I'll chime in here with a howdy -- and my guess that once the results are ready to be posted -- they will be. Like Franey said, the results aren't going to change. Bob, feel free to let me know if I can help by putting them on this site.
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we know they are not going to change, but some of us only stayed for sat. we just want to know if our records got broken.
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I am more curious when my license will show up in the mail :mrgreen:
After I was done I went to get my licence
I was told the were out of them and someone took down my name
they were supposed to send them out
I would hate to have to go thru the licensing process again next year
still THE BEST LANDSPEED EVENT I HAVE BEEN TO
but I am such a rookie
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You dont need the document ... there is a record of your fast pass ... just produce your time slip ...
Joe
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cool thanks
I wasn't too worried
it is really something I like to show off :-D
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Calm down boys and girls...Donna finished the records 3 weeks ago...website issues have kept them from being published. Many things make it hard to complete these tasks...your handwriting is one of them. If you were to take the same attention to detail as you put into your race vehicle and apply it to filling out a race form, it would make life sooooo much easier.
Here they are so you can review them before Donna starts doing your record certificates.
Cars:
9232 Luke Kohler Red Hot Racing C/BFALT 201.252
260 Ed Brace Brace's Greenhouse D/BFRMR 153.570
850 Frank Waddell Waddell Bros. Underdog C/GRS 206.469
1034 Rodney W. King Sam Sampson Coupe C/GCC 151.645
1946 Steve Van Blarcom VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing D/BGR 182.681
1223 Paul Calaguiro Calaguiro Bros. Racing, Inc F/CGC 123.177
9270 Andrew Nelson PACC Racing C/CGC 177.675
9410 Dave Cover Dave Cover Racing III/E 94.338
9388 Barry D. Roy Barry D. Roy Racing XF/GCT 94.175
9780 Ted Gramlich Ted's Performance G/BGSS 149.221
9411 Ross Merrill Ross Merrill Racing AA/GSS 126.209
9250 Bob Hemmenway Lynn Racing D/FCT 169.201
462 Keith Turk So-Al Racing AA/CBGC 205.198
805 Charles Venable Venable Rods and Racing E/CGALT 152.116
729 Dick Jurkowski Dick and Gail Jurkowski A/GC 200.919
863 Lawson F. Bilhardt Black Bird SC E/BGC 127.641
306 Gary Gustafson Gustafson Racing B/GMS 184.177
9338 Mike Largesse Fair Warning Racing B/PRO 158.213
1946 Steve Van Blarcom VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing D/BGR 211.675
8150 Ron SanGiovanni Ron SanGiovanni Racing XF/BGL 115.618
9270 Andrew Nelson PACC Racing C/CBGC 176.442
1034 Rodney W. King Sam Sampson Coupe C/GCC 162.328
6222 Peter Calaguiro PLT Performance, Inc C/GSS 170.273
9492 John Ciancitto Streamline Bros B/CGALT 185.639
9388 Barry D. Roy Barry D. Roy Racing XF/FCT 93.093
9373 Andrew Murray Andrew Murray Racing C/GL 164.054
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing AA/BGC 218.113
9411 Ross Merrill Ross Merrill Racing AA/GSS 137.375
462 David Freiburger So-Al Racing AA/CBFALT 213.457
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
850 Larry Waddell Waddell Bros. Underdog B/GRS 210.285
9276 Kyle Dobbins Chris Dobbins Racing G/PS 150.748
9434 Parker Tompkins Parker Tompkins Racing C/PRO 113.352
9250 Bob Hemmenway Lynn Racing D/GCT 124.438
9438 Philip Steenstra Jerry's Hardware Spl. F/PMP 104.945
805 Charles Venable Venable Rods and Racing E/CGALT 163.277
531 Doug Kenny Doug Kenny Racing C/STR 202.963
6222 Peter Calaguiro PLT Performance, Inc C/GSS 172.175
9435 Phillip Reid Reid Racing I/FSS 89.311
9373 Andrew Murray Andrew Murray Racing C/GL 177.420
9338 Mike Largesse Fair Warning Racing B/PRO 160.387
260 Ed Brace Brace's Greenhouse D/BFRMR 160.852
9780 Ted Gramlich Ted's Performance G/BGSS 150.258
9411 Ross Merrill Ross Merrill Racing A/GSS 137.568
9339 Bob Jepson Bob Jepson Racing F/BSTR 122.933
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9796 Michael Roman Wounded Warriors Project J/BGL 166.011
9410 Dave Cover Dave Cover Racing III/E 94.389
1223 Paul Calaguiro Calaguiro Bros. Racing, Inc F/CGC 135.313
9434 Parker Tompkins Parker Tompkins Racing C/PRO 124.760
9250 Bob Hemmenway Lynn Racing D/GCT 171.706
9063 Andrew DiMartino DiMartino Fabrication F/BFMS 174.131
1946 Ron SanGiovanni, Jr. VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing A/BFR 151.255
9388 Barry D. Roy Barry D. Roy Racing XF/FCT 97.401
531 Doug Kenny Doug Kenny Racing C/STR 205.245
9276 Chris Dobbins Chris Dobbins Racing G/BFALT 128.168
9778 Jason Theriault Jason Theriault F/BMMP 123.655
9338 Mike Largesse Fair Warning Racing B/PRO 164.768
462 Tonya Turk So-Al Racing AA/CBGALT 208.097
9438 Philip Steenstra Jerry's Hardware Spl. F/PMP 105.638
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing A/BGC 215.723
9270 Andrew Nelson PACC Racing C/CGALT 178.702
9321 George Brockman George Brockman Racing A/GCT 168.558
850 Larry Waddell Waddell Bros. Underdog C/FRS 159.951
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
9063 Andrew DiMartino DiMartino Fabrication F/BFMS 178.013
1946 Ron SanGiovanni, Jr. VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing A/BFR 185.563
9388 Barry D. Roy Barry D. Roy Racing XF/GCT 97.737
9410 Dave Cover Dave Cover Racing III/E 95.284
9270 Andrew Nelson PACC Racing AA/CGC 108.145
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing B/BGC 205.634
802 Charles Venable Venable Rods and Racing E/CFALT 175.250
9408 Jacob Barto Risky Business E/PS 125.158
531 Doug Kenny Doug Kenny Racing C/STR 206.896
1946 Ron SanGiovanni, Jr. VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing A/BFR 208.690
9456 Andrew Krauss Half Fast Racing C/BGC 211.759
343 Mark Sotomayor Mark Sotomayor Racing E/BFSS 179.093
253 Steve DiMartino Jesse's Girl G/GL 171.601
9063 Andrew DiMartino DiMartino Fabrication F/BFMS 182.466
9276 Chris Dobbins Chris Dobbins Racing G/BFALT 147.984
9373 Andrew Murray Andrew Murray Racing C/GL 180.385
531 Doug Kenny Doug Kenny Racing C/STR 210.358
9456 David Rudan, Jr Half Fast Racing C/BGT 217.517
1223 Paul Calaguiro Calaguiro Bros. Racing, Inc F/CGC 137.019
9492 John Ciancitto Streamline Bros B/CFALT 200.834
7100 Gary Beineke Gary Beineke AA/GCT 208.478
9408 Jacob Barto Risky Business E/PS 134.216
Motorcycles:
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/G-1000/4 198.587
9393 James Silk, Jr Tryitagain M/G-1350/4 125.437
9465 Roy Brooks Brooks Racing M/F-1650/4 195.503
5112 Bill Warner Warner/Forstall Racing MPS/BF-1350/4 273.356
9102 Milton Paul MP Racing P/P-500/4 124.944
9221 Bradley Everhart Bradley Everhart Racing APS/BF-2000/4 197.044
9421 C T Schaefer PRT Racing P/PP-650/4 110.714
9389 Tom Crompton Krypton Racing MPS/G-175/4 65.696
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PG-350/4 72.49
1111 Todd Dross Scott Guthrie Racing SC/F-1350/4 176.470
9125 Brian Haenlein Brian Haenlein Racing M/VF-1350/4 96.074
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing A/BG-1350/4 241.260
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/G-1000/4 202.110
9465 Roy Brooks Brooks Racing M/F-1650/4 196.215
9393 James Silk, Jr Tryitagain M/G-1350/4 144.260
9173 Richard Lorenson Richard Lorenson Racing P/P-250/4 103.880
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing A/BG-1650/4 242.548
1111 Todd Dross Scott Guthrie Racing SC/F-1650/4 175.411
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PG-400/4 76.052
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/F-1000/4 195.511
1107 Josh Owen Scott Guthrie Racing A/BF-1650/4 218.314
9383 Eric Paquette Eric Paquette Racing A/G-500/2 111.271
9116 Joe Daly Fairway Motorsports A/PF-1350/4 153.455
9393 James Silk, Jr Tryitagain M/G-1350/4 154.724
9173 Richard Lorenson Richard Lorenson Racing P/P-250/4 105.687
1402 Lloyd Frink, Sr Sterling Hill Gang M/PBG-650/4 79.503
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing A/BG-2000/4 244.260
9420 Warren Matthews Coconut Customs M/G-400/2 94.735
1111 Todd Dross Scott Guthrie Racing SC/F-2000/4 171.520
262 Bill Franey Salt Wheels Racing APS/PF-2000/4 151.232
9444 Phillip Campbell NTTRAIN MPS/BF-3000/4 229.060
1107 Josh Owen Scott Guthrie Racing A/BF-2000/4 222.540
9393 James Silk, Jr Tryitagain M/G-1350/4 160.702
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/F-1000/4 198.146
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PF-350/4 73.671
9465 Roy Brooks Brooks Racing M/F-1650/4 199.344
9421 C T Schaefer PRT Racing P/PP-650/4 111.630
9116 Joe Daly Fairway Motorsports A/PF-1350/4 153.848
1401 Seth Frink Sterling Hill Gang A/BF-175/2 71.540
9383 Eric Paquette Eric Paquette Racing A/G-500/2 115.033
1402 Lloyd Frink, Sr Sterling Hill Gang M/PBF-650/4 79.295
9444 Phillip Campbell NTTRAIN MPS/BF-3000/4 231.095
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing A/BG-3000/4 244.545
1111 Todd Dross Scott Guthrie Racing SC/F-3000/4 175.891
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/F-1000/4 203.536
9383 Eric Paquette Eric Paquette Racing A/G-500/2 119.507
9173 Richard Lorenson Richard Lorenson Racing P/P-250/4 106.770
9102 Milton Paul MP Racing P/P-500/4 127.213
9465 Roy Brooks Brooks Racing M/F-1650/4 202.853
1440 Dean Sabatinelli Sabatinelli/Guthrie Racing APS/BF-1000/4 205.301
9389 Tom Crompton Krypton Racing M/G-175/4 64.409
1111 Todd Dross Scott Guthrie Racing SC/G-1350/4 166.982
1402 Lloyd Frink, Sr Sterling Hill Gang P/PP-500/4 80.002
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-1350/4 264.130
9526 Mike Brakel 80 Theory P/P-1650/4 206.256
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PBG-350/4 76.964
1401 Seth Frink Sterling Hill Gang A/BF-175/2 82.251
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-1650/4 267.006
1302 Joe Timney Twin Jugs Racing APS/F-3000/4 196.202
9421 C T Schaefer PRT Racing P/PP-650/4 114.480
9526 Mike Brakel 80 Theory P/P-2000/4 205.221
9389 Tom Crompton Krypton Racing MPS/F-175/4 67.333
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PF-400/4 77.086
9727 John Ubermath John Ubermath Racing MPS/G-2000/4 205.615
1107 Josh Owen Scott Guthrie Racing A/BF-3000/4 223.131
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/BG-1000/4 201.843
1402 Lloyd Frink, Sr Sterling Hill Gang P/PP-750/4 80.246
9420 Warren Matthews Coconut Customs M/G-400/2 100.756
1401 Seth Frink Sterling Hill Gang A/BF-250/2 80.343
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-2000/4 266.130
262 Bill Franey Salt Wheels Racing APS/PF-2000/4 158.208
9526 Mike Brakel 80 Theory P/P-3000/4 205.883
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PBF-400/4 75.204
1107 Josh Owen Scott Guthrie Racing A/BF-3001/4 225.637
9190 William Hosler William Hosler Racing MPS/G-2000/4 207.794
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PBG-400/4 76.982
9444 Phillip Campbell NTTRAIN MPS/BF-3000/4 232.425
9635 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports MPS/F-350/4 104.130
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-3000/4 266.919
1302 Joe Timney Twin Jugs Racing APS/F-3000/4 199.476
9173 Richard Lorenson Richard Lorenson Racing P/P-250/4 107.731
9190 William Hosler William Hosler Racing MPS/G-3000/4 207.760
1400 Lloyd Frink, IV Sterling Hill Gang A/PBF/350/4 77.844
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/G-1000/4 203.965
1401 Seth Frink Sterling Hill Gang A/F250/2 76.182
9444 Phillip Campbell NTTRAIN MPS/BF-3000/4 233.317
9727 John Ubermath John Ubermath Racing MPS/G-2000/4 208.962
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-3001+/4 269.332
1302 Joe Timney Twin Jugs Racing APS/F-3000/4 200.619
1110 Dean Sabatinelli Scott Guthrie Racing APS/BG-3001+/4 269.776
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New Two club members:
9232 Luke Kohler Red Hot Racing C/BFALT 201.252
850 Frank Waddell Waddell Bros. Underdog CG/RS 206.469
462 Keith Turk So-Al Racing AA/CBGC 205.198
9731 Greg Neal TLN Motorsports APS/G-1000/4 202.110
729 Dick and Gail Jurkowski Dick Jurkowski A/GC 200.919
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing AA/BGC 218.113
462 David Freiburger So-Al Racing AA/CBFALT 213.457
850 Larry Waddell Waddell Bros. Underdog B/GRS 210.285
462 Tonya Turk So-Al Racing AA/CBGALT 208.097
9526 Mike Brakel 80 Theory P/P-1650/4 206.256
9727 John Ubermath John Ubermath Racing MPS/G-2000/4 205.615
1946 Ron SanGiovanni, Jr. VanBlarcom & Gilmore Racing A/BFR 208.690
9492 John Ciancitto Streamline Bros B/CFALT 200.834
7100 Gary Beineke Gary Beineke AA/GCT 208.478
1302 Joe Timney Twin Jugs Racing APS/F-3000/4 200.619
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Here they are so you can review them before Donna starts doing your record certificates.
Motorcycles:
9221 Bradley Everhart Bradley Everhart Racing APS/BF-2000/4 197.044
Shouldn't Bradley be in APS/PBF-2000/4? He's a pushrod isn't he? Not sure how he signed up but I'd check it! Way more impressive number on a pushrod! :-D
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Debbie
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Good catch Deb...thanks!!!
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Yes Bradley is PUSHROD Harley Motor
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Some how Stevie Van Blarcom missed the Two Club List...sorry buddy!!!
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Congratulations to Fernando Stelser for breaking my 129.047 record with all of his runs;
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
Does anybody know what kind of a car he was running?
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Record Certificates are done...Donna, her daughter Angela and Andrew DiMartino worked late into the night finishing them...I watched!!! :evil: We will have them this weekend at Maxton. Any not picked up will be mailed some time next week.
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Thank you!
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Is there a reason that the Ford GT was classed as a Gas Coupe?
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing A/BGC 215.723
9456 Bob Self Half Fast Racing B/BGC 205.634
9456 Andrew Krauss Half Fast Racing C/BGC 211.759
9456 David Rudan, Jr Half Fast Racing C/BGT 217.517
http://picasaweb.google.com/bobdill112/Loring2010Sunday?authkey=Gv1sRgCNvv0ubM5LH07gE&feat=directlink#5502782180718384498
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Three engine swaps in one meet!!!
Those guys east of the Mississippi are fast!!!
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Three engine swaps in one meet!!!
Those guys east of the Mississippi are fast!!!
As you probably know Stan, the rules at ECTA and Loring allow running up in displacement. Likely they used the same "C" engine in all classes entered. I am just trying to figure out how a 2 place sports car was run in Gas Coupe. Four issues - 1) only seats for 2 people, 2) no engine swap, 3) no quick change rear and 4) not running a non stock supercharger/turbocharger.
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Lil' Liner,
Stan has his TONGUE planted firmly in his CHEEK when he comments about racin' on the Maxton "Hillbilly Highway"!
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Congratulations to Fernando Stelser for breaking my 129.047 record with all of his runs;
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
Does anybody know what kind of a car he was running?
Thanks to some sharp eyes and people that want things done fairly, I have been informed that Fernando Stelser was competing in the G/GSS class driving an Audi TT Sport which has a TURBO and is not qualified to compete in that class. It was suggested that I get in touch with Fernando and see if he would like to get this matter straightened out with the LTA officicals. Granted I was not there at the event to protest him, but I am still of the opinion that the results of his runs should not stand as record in G/GSS, he should have been competing in G/BGSS.
I don't mind competeing and even being beat by cars that are qulified to compete in my class, but rules are rules. I do plan on being at Loring for the 2012 event.
I have not been able to find out how to get in touch with Fernando, but He can reach me by email at iamflagman@aol.com.
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Three engine swaps in one meet!!!
Those guys east of the Mississippi are fast!!!
As you probably know Stan, the rules at ECTA and Loring allow running up in displacement. Likely they used the same "C" engine in all classes entered. I am just trying to figure out how a 2 place sports car was run in Gas Coupe. Four issues - 1) only seats for 2 people, 2) no engine swap, 3) no quick change rear and 4) not running a non stock supercharger/turbocharger.
I was there as a vol, and while I can't speak to your questions on #1,2, & 3... I do know they were running a non-stock supercharger. No sure how that impacts things.
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Congratulations to Fernando Stelser for breaking my 129.047 record with all of his runs;
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
Does anybody know what kind of a car he was running?
Thanks to some sharp eyes and people that want things done fairly, I have been informed that Fernando Stelser was competing in the G/GSS class driving an Audi TT Sport which has a TURBO and is not qualified to compete in that class. It was suggested that I get in touch with Fernando and see if he would like to get this matter straightened out with the LTA officicals. Granted I was not there at the event to protest him, but I am still of the opinion that the results of his runs should not stand as record in G/GSS, he should have been competing in G/BGSS.
I don't mind competeing and even being beat by cars that are qulified to compete in my class, but rules are rules. I do plan on being at Loring for the 2012 event.
I have not been able to find out how to get in touch with Fernando, but He can reach me by email at iamflagman@aol.com.
Could the results be a mistake in class? Don't the inspectors verify blown or unblown. That's not a small mistake. :|
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Congratulations to Fernando Stelser for breaking my 129.047 record with all of his runs;
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
Does anybody know what kind of a car he was running?
Thanks to some sharp eyes and people that want things done fairly, I have been informed that Fernando Stelser was competing in the G/GSS class driving an Audi TT Sport which has a TURBO and is not qualified to compete in that class. It was suggested that I get in touch with Fernando and see if he would like to get this matter straightened out with the LTA officicals. Granted I was not there at the event to protest him, but I am still of the opinion that the results of his runs should not stand as record in G/GSS, he should have been competing in G/BGSS.
I don't mind competeing and even being beat by cars that are qulified to compete in my class, but rules are rules. I do plan on being at Loring for the 2012 event.
I have not been able to find out how to get in touch with Fernando, but He can reach me by email at iamflagman@aol.com.
Could the results be a mistake in class? Don't the inspectors verify blown or unblown. That's not a small mistake. :|
I would think that this was an honest mistake, but a mistake just the same and his speed should not stand as a record in the G/GSS class, as it does at this time according the the posted records.
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I talked to Fernando about his car it was stock has a stock turbo. When I talked to him he didn't know what class he was in. He should have been in G/BGT or G/BGSS that I was running. He was miss-classified.
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Troy,
The impound is done on an honor system. You fill out your own cert.
"...he didn't know what class he was in."
This just about says it all.
DW
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Troy,
The impound is done on an honor system. You fill out your own cert.
"...he didn't know what class he was in."
This just about says it all.
DW
Ditto.
Judging from the photos of various cars that ran there were others that were a bit outside what is allowed for classes. Example was one Street roadster with no fenders. From what I can tell the records in question were generally still somewhat 'soft', speed wise, and over time will be pushed up by 100% class legal cars. However the Ford GT running as a Gas Coupe and setting records over 200 in each class is just wrong. Those also qualified for 200mph club hats . . .
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t the book it is a direct reprint of the ECTA book down to the season champions, course length of 1 mile, on and on.
DW
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Guys, maybe I have read to much into your replies, but to me they seem a bit demeaning and critical to and of the LTA,,, "IF SO"
Then just give LTA a chance, it is a NEW deal and has only just recently completed it's second event. I am sure they will work the bugs out. Using the ECTA rules was only natural and reprinting the book was a temporary fix for the time being. I am sure they will have there own book in the future which list LTA's records and specifics etc... the actual safety rules and class rules should be the same.
I would expect that the LTA will use the same rules as ECTA (which in "most" cases are like SCTA safety rules) main differences are class and procedures, as ECTA allows running up in engine class and has a few differant classes like circle track etc.
Let's all try to SUPPORT each racing venue this West vs East who's better than who is not good.. we all need to pull for each other and continue to expand and promote this hobby we all love.
We all know Bonneville/SCTA is the Speed Capital of the World and the LSR Mecca, but allow these new venues like the LTA to get it right.. rather than poke fun, lend a hand, or at least provide words of encouragement. Your many years of experience should be used to help, not to criticise or demean the efforts to get a new venue up and running.
Thank you very much.
Charles (just a guy who likes to race and have fun .. don't you all too ?)
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Big +1. Couldn't have worded it any better myself.
Ed
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I am a supporter of new venues. My post was not edited before I posted it. Should have read:
"At Speedweek I was given a LTA rulebook by an irate ECTA racer. Looking at the book I noticed that the course was listed as one mile in length and contained the contact info for the ECTA officials and Maxon records, etc."
My point is, I don't care if they allow a GT 40 to run as a Gas Coupe. The classes don't compare because of course length. I feel Loring should have been set up as a one mile, then you could compare performances. Just my opinion. I understand the concept of running up class to generate income for the event and as long as everyone is satisfied with the lack of record certification procedures I am good with that.
Good luck with any new event getting established, they are needed to maintain interest in the sport. I just don't get excited by all the claims.
DW
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Guys, maybe I have read to much into your replies, but to me they seem a bit demeaning and critical to and of the LTA,,, . . . . .
Hi Charles, Yes, I think you may be reading to much into our posts, at least in my case. That said, if you feel that we are being overly critical then (at least in my case) that means I did a bad job of wording my posts and for that I apologize.
No criticism of LTA was intended. What I was trying to do was to point out that some errors were made with a few of the classifications of a few of the cars and it might be a good idea to correct them before they become written in stone for all times.
Fact is , my hat is off to the folks that were able to conceive and implement the LTA events. I know I couldn't accomplish such a feat. I wish I could have been there. Sounds like it was a great event.
To make the next LTA event even better there are bound to be areas that can be tweaked and improved on. One area is the classification of cars. It appears that relying on the entrants to correctly class their entries without a review by someone in impound can lead to a few cases of the wrong car in the wrong class. With so many open records that means that a wrong car (not 100% in accord with the rules) ends up being awarded a record. This is not fair to those that will attend future events and run in those classes.
Example - your Stude is a Classic category unblown car. How would you feel if some one entered a late model Firebird with a blown engine incorrectly entered in E/CGALT and set a record over 200 mph? If that had happened I am sure you would have pointed out the error and it would have been corrected. But, what if you weren't there and no one protested? You show up next year and have this huge record to deal with. Not good.
The other downside to having a loose impound is that it naturally casts a shadow over the authenticity of ALL the records that were set. That might not be fair but it is human nature to react that way.
I am not advocating someone writing a big check and flying in DW and few of his trusted SCTA impound buddies to police the event. But it would be good to at least have someone that has taken the time to know the rules and is able to point out the obvious - like a Sportscar ruining in Gas Coupe, or a Blown Car running in an unblown Super Street class or a Street Roadster without the correct body parts. That improvement will add to the well earned prestige of the LTA.
As DW already points out, in the rush to get the Loring venue up and running there are apparently some ECTA specific words that need to be edited. And I realize that the running up in class deal is allowed. But I am not talking about running up in class. There were examples of runing in the wrong class. That is something that ECTA does not allow and shouldn't be something that LTA knowing allows either.
So I guess my point is 1) good job LTA. but 2) there are a few minor things that need alittle more attention and I am sure you will get better and better . . . .
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Little Liner and DW,
I must say, very well worded posts and you do not owe anyone an apology. (especially me, as I am a nobody in this sport)...
I do agree that a few mistakes did happen, and I agree that running in the wrong class and setting a record should not be allowed. I was only trying to point out that it "seemed to me" to be more about casting stones rather than offering experienced and rationale observations followed by constructive solutions and support.
I have run all volunteer start up venues before and I know how thankless and difficult it is to do, and I may be overly sensitive for our racing brothers at the LTA. I try to lend my support and encouragement where ever I go, and I for one think the LTA has came a long way in a short time, and yes paperwork and procedural mistakes did happen and I hope they are corrected. even more so I hope each event gets better and those areas of concern are resolved.
I myself look forward to the next LTA event, even though it is a 22 hour drive each way for me to get there to race, I will step up and volunteer some of my race time to take a shift in car impound if there is not enough people signed up to help.
Or I can help in tech and while in tech maybe a step could be added to check that the car is entered / classed correctly ? I know that may not be the way tech works, but if it is classed correctly in tech, then unless a change is made it should be OK in impound. ?
Just My thoughts.
Charles
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When I first heard about the Loring possibilities I also thought a 1 mile "standard" would make the most sense all around. Was told "wait until you see this place". Having heard a pitch line or two before, Ya, Ya,............ After an initial look see cruise down the course on arrival late Fri in '09 I realized how wrong I had been. To not use the available extra 1/2 mile would be like having a barroom with no beer available, a terrible and bordering on criminal waste of space! Maybe didn't quite match the first feelings I got on my first visit to the Salt but it sure ranked a darn close second.
Perfect meet no, glitches yes, but considering everything some pretty darn impressive results after only 2 meets. Between the organizers, volunteers, racers, and people up in the County it's only going to improve. The "LSR family" is equal to that of Maxton and the Salt already. Haven't been to any other LSR venues yet so can't pass judgement of any kind on those yet.
Conflicting schedule for me this past meet, couldn't be in 2 places at once and made a tough choice to pass on Loring but looking forward to many more safaries "up in the county" [as well as Maxton and back to the Salt when I can].
Admittedly a bit biased, it's only a 10 hr tow.
Just try to call's 'em as I see's 'em, no more, no less, without pots to stir or axes to grind.
Ed
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Charles --
" I agree that running in the wrong class and setting a record should not be allowed."
Like running in C class with an E motor?
"Or I can help in tech and while in tech maybe a step could be added to check that the car is . . . classed correctly?"
I believe you mean that the vehicle is in the right category, not class.
I seem to remember the clamor for getting "record" certificates. Perhaps with no scrutiny and I guess any "Impound" certification, a "Performance Certificate" would be more appropriate. I saw veteran entries running in the wrong category -- and they should know better. The honor system didn't seem to work. And if one establishes a "record" that way, it makes it unfair for those that follow.
Don't get me wrong -- it looked like a blast to run there and get timed. And it's a hell of a lot closer that Bonneville for many competitors. And in many ways, safer than running on the dirt. But how many records can one afford? Pay the fee and get a different one each run? How many is enough?
Stan Back
(And standing back waiting for this blast.)
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Stan Back,
I am sure you expect me to blast back a nice barrage, however I see the points you are trying to make in your last post.
I also know your example of running for a record in C with an E motor was aimed directly at me. So let me "come back" at Mr Stan Back this way.
1. In both ECTA and LTA the "written rules" DO allow for running up in Motor Class.
2. And since the Rules ALLOW that, any entrant (me included) may "within the rules" decide to enter a smaller motor in a upper motor class.
3. You may disagree with those rules, however you may not criticise a racer who follows the rules, so TREAD lightly my friend when you "come back" at someone who is within the rules.
My feelings about the "current rules" allowing running up in motor class.
1. It is the current rule,,, so it is OK by me.
2. The smaller motor is handicapped by displacement,so what is the big deal? it creates more revenue for the clubs and allows the racer a chance to run for more records.
3. Who does this hurt? Let's use me as an example. I hold E/CGALT records at both ECTA and LTA My car is a legit E/CGALT .. so if a legit F/CGALT car decides to run on my E/CGALT record and beats me, then under the rules they are now the new record holder. Congratulations to them...I am OK with it, but you can bet I will be back at it to try to get the record again by going faster and not by whining about the rules.
Now on the other hand if a BLOWN car enters an UN BLOWN class (should never happen, but I understand it has) and gets a record ... that is clearly wrong and against any rules and that record if granted would then be in error of the rules and should be reversed.
See how clear ?
Charles
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Stan Back,
I am sure you expect me to blast back a nice barrage, however I see the points you are trying to make in your last post.
I also know your example of running for a record in C with an E motor was aimed directly at me. So let me "come back" at Mr Stan Back this way.
1. In both ECTA and LTA the "written rules" DO allow for running up in Motor Class.
2. And since the Rules ALLOW that, any entrant (me included) may "within the rules" decide to enter a smaller motor in a upper motor class.
3. You may disagree with those rules, however you may not criticise a racer who follows the rules, so TREAD lightly my friend when you "come back" at someone who is within the rules.
My feelings about the "current rules" allowing running up in motor class.
1. It is the current rule,,, so it is OK by me.
2. The smaller motor is handicapped by displacement,so what is the big deal? it creates more revenue for the clubs and allows the racer a chance to run for more records.
3. Who does this hurt? Let's use me as an example. I hold E/CGALT records at both ECTA and LTA My car is a legit E/CGALT .. so if a legit F/CGALT car decides to run on my E/CGALT record and beats me, then under the rules they are now the new record holder. Congratulations to them...I am OK with it, but you can bet I will be back at it to try to get the record again by going faster and not by whining about the rules.
Now on the other hand if a BLOWN car enters an UN BLOWN class (should never happen, but I understand it has) and gets a record ... that is clearly wrong and against any rules and that record if granted would then be in error of the rules and should be reversed.
See how clear ?
Charles
Amen Charles :cheers:
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Does anyone at Loring check to see if it's an E (or F, D, AA) motor? Examples of vehicles running out of category when they should know better leads one to believe they could run out of lowest engine class, too.
Here's my vehicle, here's my entry fee, where's my "record"?
That's why Performance Certificates might better describe the action.
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Racers run up in engine class all the time and it is within the ECTA rules.
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Racers run up in engine class all the time and it is within the ECTA rules.
I'm pretty sure that the SCTA used to do the same. :-D
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But we're talking Loring here. Supposedly using the ECTA rules.
So I'd guess that somewhere in the ECTA rules they check displacement. So you gotta E motor, and set an E motor ECTA record. You get checked and car is somehow certifed to be what it is and you can run up in class from there -- right?
But we've seen that at Loring, on the honor system, there were entries that ran in the wrong CATEGORY and could have run in the wrong displacement CLASS as well. When you can see from a hundred feet that a car is classed wrong, how can you tell its displacement even when standing closer?
Pick a class and category, get a "record" with no, or minimal, scrutinization.
I'd bet that most of the records in the ECTA where cars are running up are set in "holes" in the Record Book. Nothing against the rules there. But aren't they scrutinized at the base record? And it does have more to do with establishing a record, rather than breaking one.
But in the case that you set a "record" with no scrutinization, it may make it hard for a car to follow later to break the record with a rule-abiding car.
So why not get a Speed Certification -- a real, certified statement that Car #12345 went 215.234 on this date and time. Because we've seen what ran as Gas Coupes, Street Roadsters and more -- and the honor system don't work for everybody.
Stan Back
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Stan, ECTA and Loring does not measure motors!!
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As Keith Turk says at every driver's meeting; "The ECTA operates on the honor system. If you want to get a record in a C class with an A engine, go for it, but you're the one who has to live with it."
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Hello Everyone.
We at the LTA are making every attempt to ensure that all of our records are correct. There were several well qualified people at 2010 event to ensure that everyone was classed and registered properly, but mistakes can happen. I would like to make some points about the direction this particular forum is taking.
1) With the help and blessing of the ECTA we are presently using their rule book. These are a massive undertaking and until such time that we have our own, the ECTA book will serve our purpose to provide a Safe and Fun event.
2) ECTA allows running up in class. The belief is that if a smaller displacement engine has the ability to surpass the record of a vehicle that on a technical level and by the rules should be faster, they have every right to beat the record. Keep in mind that they must make a separate run for the record. One run can not be used to cover multiple classes.
3) As Dean Sabat pointed out, The LTA, as well as the ECTA operate on the honor system. We are responsible for a Safe-Fun-Fast event, not for rooting out cheaters. We have a policy on our website regarding cheating and we adhere to it without exception. If people choose to cheat, that is their burden to bear.
4)If anyone feels that there was an error made in classification of a vehicle, please advise the LTA at the event! Since the vehicle is present at that time, scrutinization would be much easier there than here in cyberspace. If that is not possible, please feel free to contact the LTA through the website. This is what we require:
a) The number of the vehicle in question.
b) The class that the record was set in.
c) The class you feel is correct.
d) Your reasoning.
We will make every attempt to confirm the accuracy of your request. Pictures can be sent, but in the event that different records were set with and without optional equipment, it will be difficult prove. Engine classification such as blown/unblown or engine displacement will be verified with the owner of the vehicle.
While we appreciate the open discussion and free flow of ideas provided by LANDRACING.COM, we do not feel it is appropriate to address individual grievances, rule changes, and proposed changes to the event in an open forum.
All the best and safe racing to everyone,
Tim Kelly
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Sounds like you got it in hand. Good luck in the future.
Stan
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Tim/blackslax
Great explanation and right on point.
Charles
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Tim . . . Many thanks for the feedback. I for one see a great future for Loring and appreciate all you guys are doing to make things happen for LTA.
. . . . . . . 3) As Dean Sabat pointed out, The LTA, as well as the ECTA operate on the honor system. We are responsible for a Safe-Fun-Fast event, not for rooting out cheaters. We have a policy on our website regarding cheating and we adhere to it without exception. If people choose to cheat, that is their burden to bear. . . . . . Tim Kelly
I would like to make one additional point. Although I noted what appeared to be a few cars that were incorrectly classed, I did not mean to imply in any way that anyone intentionally cheated. Looks more like misunderstanding some of the rules.
Art
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You're way too kind in at least one case.
Stan
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Thanks for the record certificates. But, you only needed to send one for my highest class record of the meet.
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Thanks for the record certificates. But, you only needed to send one for my highest class record of the meet.
same here.
thanx,
franey
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Congratulations to Fernando Stelser for breaking my 129.047 record with all of his runs;
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 129.393
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.548
9445 Fernando Stelser Fernando Stelser Racing G/GSS 130.625
Does anybody know what kind of a car he was running?
Thanks to some sharp eyes and people that want things done fairly, I have been informed that Fernando Stelser was competing in the G/GSS class driving an Audi TT Sport which has a TURBO and is not qualified to compete in that class. It was suggested that I get in touch with Fernando and see if he would like to get this matter straightened out with the LTA officicals. Granted I was not there at the event to protest him, but I am still of the opinion that the results of his runs should not stand as record in G/GSS, he should have been competing in G/BGSS.
I don't mind competeing and even being beat by cars that are qulified to compete in my class, but rules are rules. I do plan on being at Loring for the 2012 event.
I have not been able to find out how to get in touch with Fernando, but He can reach me by email at iamflagman@aol.com.
Could the results be a mistake in class? Don't the inspectors verify blown or unblown. That's not a small mistake. :|
I would think that this was an honest mistake, but a mistake just the same and his speed should not stand as a record in the G/GSS class, as it does at this time according the the posted records.
While I was sitting in the staging lines at Maxton last weekend, I was informed by one of the LTA officials that was also at Maxton that this record issue has been resolved and my 2009 speed still stands as the official G/GSS record. I won't be at Loring this year due to my budget for Bonneville this year, but I will be up at Loring in 2012 to see if I can improve on that record if it is still standing by then, if not I'll try to break the newer one. Thanks LTA for following through with this!!
I'm sorry that I can't remember the LTA officials name, I have a hard enough time remembering my own name at times.(http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/ downloads/WOG%20SMILIES/olcoot.gif)
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iamflagman, glad it's been resolved. I've been wondering what was going on there.
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iamflagman, glad it's been resolved. I've been wondering what was going on there.
Thanks again for your help and support on this issue!!