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Misc Forums => LSR General Chat => Topic started by: Worlds Fastest Comanche on July 28, 2010, 02:40:30 PM
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I was looking around on some maps and came across the Kingsbury Fish and wildlife area in Indiana here is a link http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3089.htm (http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3089.htm) the main road that runs through it is 6 miles long and is as straight as an arrow. This is the site of an old ammunition plant, they kept everything separated so if one thing blew up it would not take out the whole place. it is now managed by the Indiana DNR. I have no idea of the actual condition of the main road or the other roads. it looks like there are opportunities for several 2 mile courses.
So does anybody live near this place that could go over and take a look? And then the big question would be if you could ever get the DNR to let you use it for a weekend.
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Looked at it via Google Maps using the satellite view. Found a section that shows a car on the road. From what I can tell it looks like a two lane road. Way too narrow for any serious speeds. Trees real close in many sections plus phone poles. . . . Didn't see anything that could serve as return road. . or pit area. sure is straight but I don't think it would work.
keep looking . . . . .
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I live 15-20 minutes away from there.
It is and old concrete road, and probably hasn't been resurfaced since WWII.
There are two MX tracks just off of that road (part of the old ammunition plant), and my wife and I road down it
just last week, going to their races. 30 mph is a little bumpy.
Plus, it is a public road that I'm sure the county or state won't close for racing.
Sorry.
p.s.
I will admit, you had me a little excited before I learned of the location.
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Elsberry is a little north of ST Louis,,,, and 883 mi from Maxton, 984 from Texas mile,1389 from Bonneville and now Loring, That's 1655 mi away. After every election some politician talks about closing Scott AFB. But it would
still be 20-30 years before they would let us on the place.
Frustrated in the mid-west, RICK
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How about the old B-52 base at Blythville, AR?
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There were rumors that Grissom AFB might open up for LSR, but have not heard anything further. Man would it be great to have someplace in Indiana!
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Frustrated in the mid-west, RICK
Amen, brother.
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Grissom is a joint civillian and military base, here is some more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grissom_Joint_Air_Reserve_Base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grissom_Joint_Air_Reserve_Base) Maybe the company that manages it will go broke and it will be available for other uses. I don't think the runway is as long as the SAC runways, most of the B52 bases are 12,000ft or more. A couple of bases in upper michigan have been converted to civilian use, but i don't think they get allot of traffic.
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How about the old B-52 base at Blythville, AR?
Looks like it is still active as an airport http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaker_Air_Force_Base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaker_Air_Force_Base)
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I can't believe that in the FLAT midwest we cant find a couple of miles of flat striaght road or an old airstrip to run cars down. Be nice to find a couple of miles of interstate that was built but never opened.
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Many years ago I-94 ended near Gary Indiana, and a friend of mine described how they raced on it.
Approx. three miles back from the ending was an entrance ramp. Six cars would pull onto the highway. They would form themselves four abreast,with the remaining two in front of them (they were the racers). The four abreast would slow traffic down to a stop, and the other two would race 1 1/2 - 2 miles to the end. They would all get off at the exit ramp where the highway ended, and wait 30-40 minutes. Then drive back and start all over again with two different drivers as racers. Ohhh Ya!! :-D :-D :-D
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I can't believe that in the FLAT midwest we cant find a couple of miles of flat striaght road or an old airstrip to run cars down. Be nice to find a couple of miles of interstate that was built but never opened.
Gee, who needs asphalt or concrete to race on? :?
We run on dry lakebeds on the left side of the country. :-D
You know El Mirage & The Bonneville Salt Flats. 8-)
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We have lakes with water in them in the midwest, go figure!
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We have lakes with water in them in the midwest, go figure!
I think this one is dry sometimes!!
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=48.965343,-109.997864&spn=0.212775,0.44014&t=h&z=11
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Be NICE Mikey
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That Freeway thing is clever -- I wonder if it would work on the 405?
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After every election some politician talks about closing Scott AFB. But it would
still be 20-30 years before they would let us on the place.
Frustrated in the mid-west, RICK
My work took me to Scott about 15 years ago. It is two airports side by side connected by about a mile of taxiway. The eastern one is referred to as "MidAmerica" and has a runway of 10,000 that could work for a one mile LSR meet. The ScottAFB side has 8000 with a long overrun but is a bit short on shutdown distance for running cars over 200 for a mile. I suspect the Scott side has more security requirements and access for participants, spectators and others might be sticky.
Apparently dreams of making Mid America into the second major airport for St Louis never panned out, at least not yet.. At this point there is nothing resembling passenger service. Their web site talks up the cargo capability and the ability to accept perishable cargo (flowers, fruit etc). It might be possible to get the local interests in doing something akin to the Loring event on the MidAmerican side. Might be possible for the right group to develop a combination of events that would include an LSR meet along with other activities (think Air Show, Carnival, Concert etc.).
One of the keys to running one of these programs is having the cooperation and participation of an existing LSR group like ECTA or USFRA, or SCTA to help with setting up and running the event. Finding a piece of pavement that works is only the first step . . . . .
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Be NICE Mikey
:-D
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Looking at Google Earth, it seems like there is almost nothing there. It is only 30 miles from Downtown ST Louis so maybe you coulds get some spectators.
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Anybody have any idea how many entries you could get? Probablly go with the same classes and rules as the ECTA. Real Street and no fire suit for some speeds and classes would get more entries. Speed week gets 500, Ecta gets between 50 to 100 or more, Im not sure whar El Mirage gets.
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sMid America Airport has been trying to attract commercial aviation since the 90-s with out any real success. They continue to pursue the venture and I doubt they would consent to anything. Additionally, the FAA can be a real obstacle when using active air fields for anything other then aviation.
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I thought i read about LSR trials at Edwards AFB. I guess they did not have to worry about the FAA, just the Military. Since (911 i guess they no longer do it, but if they could do it at Edwards, maybe yo can do ir someplace else.
Hey since they are not going to be flying the Shuttle much longer, what about that strip they built in florida? (Dodge, that's east coast!)
3 miles long, but probably no return road here is a link http://www.floridatoday.com/article/99999999/NEWS09/60227008/Shuttle-Landing-Facility (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/99999999/NEWS09/60227008/Shuttle-Landing-Facility)
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KI Sawyer AFB in the UP was over 12000ft plus overruns. 150ft wide plus 75ft paved shoulders so 300ft wide.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._I._Sawyer_Air_Force_Base
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Hey that looks good!
KI Sawyer AFB
And it's in Slims backyard! :cheers:
Geo
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I can see it now, Slim's snow plow LSR event. :-D
:cheers:
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Ah, gentlemen, I'm sorry to let you know that there's no way it'll happen. And believe me, I've tried. First of all -- KI was transferred to the county of Marquette upon the Air Force's departure - so the county airport could move to the place. And even before the change took place - during a few year hiatus -- neither the county sheriff nor I nor anyone else could convince the FAA to close the runway to traffic so we could go out there to play around. (The sheriff rides -- has even taken a spin on my old CBR1100XX). I think, by the way, that the strip used to be even longer than 12,000 -- 14,300 sounds more like it. When the county took over they elected to shorten it - I think. Maybe it was 14,300 counting the scrubby jackpine forest at either end, yeah, I think that's probably the story.
The airport is doing okay, thank you very much. Nancy and I fly out and into it regularly. It's fine -- because if nothing else, you know the pilot has about twice as much runway as he needs to land and take off. . . And by the way, it is a big airport -- fwe have (ready for this?) TWO gates. Not just one, like those small out-in-the sticks airports, nah -- we've got both Gate 1 AND Gate 2!
And for you, Glen -- the next airport up the road is in Houghton-Hancock (where Walt (116cihemi) and I go to/went to college. That runway is still used by the government's cold weather research people for snowplow testing, among other things. You wanna see fancy snow removal equipment? Go to the copper Country (that's what the area is called) and watch.
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I doubt that will work out ... Marquette is an active commercial airport with daily air service from American Eagle and Delta. Eagle has an overhaul base on the airport for Embriar commuter jets.
Joe
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Yes - It would be very cool to have someplace here in the mid portion of the country. Coming from the Chicago area its a about 900 mi to Maxton and about 1500mi to the salt, one way. Ether way with fuel costs and travel exp. it can get a bit costly for the privateer who just wants to run WFO and see what number he can beat. Wayyy too much traffic now a days on all the so called express ways and toll ways to even think about the good old days of getting out at early sunrise morning for a test run or two on the Interstate Hwy. Aint happenin anymore.
Yep ! Another LSR venue here in the heart of this great Country of ours would be just peachy -
Have fun - Stay happy and healthy :cheers:
Jimbo
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I've been looking in the KY and TN valley area for years for something that could serve as a venue. The airports are basically out because a long run way here is 5000'. Most of the retired air strips are "sod" and I don't think there is 2 mile straight section of pavement in either state.
I would be "all over" something potential that would be closer than the 550 miles to Maxton or 1200 miles to Texas or 1350 miles to Maine or 1800 miles to Bonneville.
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There's a beautiful stretch of Michigan Highway M-28 - between Seney and Shingleton, in the Upper Peninsula. Take a look at a map -- it's dead straight and flat two-lane road for 23 miles!!!! Unfortunately I ewxpect the police and state and federal parks people would take a dim view of closing it off for racing. That -- and the wildlife that's all over the place, coming out of the woods that are often within fifty feet of the pavement -- I guess those are reasons we won't race there.
The little obstacles (trees, critters, etc) don't stop many drivers from seeing how fast they dare go on the "Seney Stretch", as it's called. As you can imagine, it's very heavily patrolled during the weeks at the end of college semesters up here, as well as during the big tourist seasons.
But geez, 23 miles. . .
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Shingleton&1s=MI&1y=US&1l=46.348301&1g=-86.470001&1v=CITY&2c=Seney&2s=MI&2y=US&2l=46.3456&2g=-85.945297&2v=CITY
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I ran across this article where they close public highways in Nevada for racing once a year. http://www.davewolin.com/gtoracing04.pdf (http://www.davewolin.com/gtoracing04.pdf) Be sweet to close a section of interstate for 7 miles or so. The lanes going the other direction could be the return road. Many times there is an old US highway that the interstate replaced that run parallel to the interstate making it easy to divert traffic.
Interstate 155 from exit 10-19 in Illinois looks like a good candidate, since it is a Bypass, no big traffic problems if it is closed. It is located between Peoria and Norman, IL I have not been on the road, it looks straight on the map, but no idea if it is level.
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Commanche, Wondered if you ever looked into Chanute Air Force Base. Has several long runways. They recently had the American Street Rod Nationals there. Next year I hear they are also having nostalgia drags. They have an air museum there that is very active. The air base is used on a limited basis. Forgot to say, the base is at Rantoul, il.
GENE TINNEY aka Toolman
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Commanche, Wondered if you ever looked into Chanute Air Force Base. Has several long runways. They recently had the American Street Rod Nationals there. Next year I hear they are also having nostalgia drags. They have an air museum there that is very active. The air base is used on a limited basis. Forgot to say, the base is at Rantoul, il.
GENE TINNEY aka Toolman
4200 foot runway
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I spent two tours of duty there during my service. My first wife almost left me to return to California one Winter.
4200 feet is a little short for a mile event. Maybe run scooters for 1/2 mile?
DW
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Actually ATV races sound like fun
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Hello,
I'm jumping into this thread late. Has any group approached the local gov't unit about renting Wurtsmith Air Force base in Michigan? There was a local that spoke of it being available on a daily basis (including Fire and Rescue) at an established rate. I emailed Joe Timney, asking about it and haven't had a reply yet. I have friends that ran a roofing business in the Alpena area. They have worked on the base over the years, and might be a door opener with the Oscoda zoning board. I don't want to take a run at it if someone was already told to forget it. Any feedback?
Thanks,
Geo Turner, Michigan
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Wow, looks about 10,000+ long. I see it's used for freight and no passenger service. Key would be if they were willing to give up their privileges once (or twice?) a year.
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If you call it up on google earth they have a measurement tool, i got about 2.35 miles, so probably about 12,000' Similar to Loring. It must be an old SAC base where they landed B52s. About 400 miles from my house, Probably the people from Wisconsin could take the high speed ferry from Milwaukee and have a 7-9 hour travel time. Not bad to get there from Ohio or Indiana either. Air would be cool( cold?)
Its 1,000 miles to Maxton and 1,500 to the salt, so anything closer would be great. Probably could have a standing 1.5 mile.
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direction-6/24 length-11,800 surface- Asphalt
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If you call it up on google earth they have a measurement tool, i got about 2.35 miles, so probably about 12,000' Similar to Loring. It must be an old SAC base where they landed B52s. About 400 miles from my house, Probably the people from Wisconsin could take the high speed ferry from Milwaukee and have a 7-9 hour travel time. Not bad to get there from Ohio or Indiana either. Air would be cool( cold?)
Its 1,000 miles to Maxton and 1,500 to the salt, so anything closer would be great. Probably could have a standing 1.5 mile.
So what do we do now? We went to Maxton 3 times this summer - Big tow bucks,fire ants and wrecked chutes...! I'd love to be able to drive to an event without leaving Michigan - how cool would that be?
I'm still hoping that someone has info about previous contacts - ? If no one has tried to get something going- I will....
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Sounds like the ad hoc beginnings of the Midwest Landspeed Racers Association.
Count me in, boys and girls.
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Assuming the facility might be available for such an event, I'd like to hear from the folks at Loring and Maxton as to what they had to overcome to make their events happen.
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Assuming the facility might be available for such an event, I'd like to hear from the folks at Loring and Maxton as to what they had to overcome to make their events happen.
As I said earlier - I've emailed Joe about it - after the event this weekend, maybe he will give us his thoughts about it.
Thanks for your response.
Geo Turner
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When i was down at Maxton in June, i was talking to some people about Loring, the ECTA ( including Joe T) people went up the first year to help out. I did ask about the date, being so close to speed week many people going to Loring were not going to Bonneville because of having to make the two trips so close together. I asked stupid question" why not schedule it in middle of July or something like that?" The answer was that the conservation people had determined that some bird was nesting close to the runway and you couldn't make noise while they were nesting. I'm all for being environmentally aware, but THEY USE TO LAND B52s there!! And they are worried about the noise from the cars and Bikes??
The moral of the story is that you have no idea of all the problems you will face when you start something like this. I don' think it will be a big problem to find people willing to participate, or even run it. If we can get the use of the Venue, the biggest hurdle will be purchasing the timing equipment and funding the in ital event.
But i agree the ECTA and Loring people could probably be a big help. It does raise the issue of having a National Land speed Racing association so the rules would be standard between venues.
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"the biggest hurdle will be purchasing the timing equipment".
I wonder -- if maybe I could dig around and see if some "timing equipment" that'd be suitable for such an event -- suitable meaning accuracy and portability -- can be rented or leased vs. outright purchased. I still have some ideas. . .but won't bother to bring them up here -- no sense in beating that horse any more. I've been kicked enough times. Nonetheless, if someone gets serious about a new venue and there's a high liklihood that a race event will happen -- then please contact me directly and let me see if I can provide.
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The aerial map indicates that it's close to residential properties. Probably require some PR work regarding noise with the neighbors across the lake.
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My brother was just telling me last week about an airstrip in the KC area that closed and was being used to store trucks, containers, load rail cars??? or something like that. He is suppost to investigate and get back to me,,,,,,but you know how brothers are.
I'll post as soon as I find out, RICK
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Hello,
I'm jumping into this thread late. Has any group approached the local gov't unit about renting Wurtsmith Air Force base in Michigan? There was a local that spoke of it being available on a daily basis (including Fire and Rescue) at an established rate. I emailed Joe Timney, asking about it and haven't had a reply yet. I have friends that ran a roofing business in the Alpena area. They have worked on the base over the years, and might be a door opener with the Oscoda zoning board. I don't want to take a run at it if someone was already told to forget it. Any feedback?
Thanks,
Geo Turner, Michigan
Looks like the feedback is that nobody has approached them. Why don't you give it a shot and see what they say.
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Richards-Gebaur, It's 9000 with 1000 on each end for 'runoff'. South of Kansas City MO. I'm on the other side of MO, Rumor has it that they cut in rail road tracks to load Mexican trains? Is there any one around 'Belton" that could check this out better?
RICK
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Check Google maps, RR tracks both sides of the runway full length and semi trailers and containers parked full length aalso.
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Information as of 2009.
Wurtsmith AFB is now owned by the local community. It is an active but not FAA controlled airfield.
Kalitta Air controls a lot of the airfield as a maintainance base for 747 and I think DC10 aircraft.
The airstrip is for "rent" (ambulance service must be used)
Price was $1K per day until there was a VERY undiciplined meet conducted by a local Hot Rod/exotic car dealer.
The Airport manager was not happy and has raised the price to $2K per day.
I was there testing a Ginetta sports car that I spent 6 months building/coordinating. The surface is smooth, and over 12000 feet in length. We ran over the existing flying mile record in slightly more than a mile. (radar gun)
We may try to do some testing there next year, with another team, but really need a break on cost.
The plan for aircraft/race car interaction was, when an aircraft is flying in the pattern, we clear the strip.
Oh, Kallita Racing does test there.
Anyone know Connie? I don't, and am not interested in running or coordinating an event there, although if an event were to happen, I will attend. I'm having enough trouble finishing the liner, and having some kind of life with Glenys. (happy life that is)
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2,000 A day? well Maxton they usually get 50-75 cars on a normal weekend, I think over 100 when they have the Top speed challenge. So if you charged $100.00 per car like the ECTA, and you only got 50 cars, that would put 5K into the Kitty. So if you ran a 2 day event 4k goes to the airport, Doesn't leave much for rental of timing equipment and other expenses. Maybe a 1 day event to start might be a good idea, . Looks like some sponsors are needed.
Maybe the way to do it would be to form a Club (Michigan timing Assoc? or Midwest timing assoc?) The club dues would go towards timing equipment rental or purchase, and the entry fees cover the rental of the venue.
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I'm in - I've talked to my brother in law - (The pilot) We'll put together a trip up there to check it out. In the mean time I'll try to get an intro to the local board. Anyone with a way to communicate with Kalitta? I wish that we could confirm the $2,000.00 a day rate. We need paperwork. Anyone live near the track?
Thanks, Geo Turner
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I don't know Kalitta personally, but I do know that the folks I talked to there earlier this year were really very nice. I was looking to see if I could beg or borrow a firesuit, and they went out of their way to try and see if they had one they could make available. It would be worthwhile for someone local to talk with them.
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Call Oscoda chamber of commerce
Get phone number of the airport manager, and you go from there.
Kallita does not run the airstrip. He rents space just like anyone else. (Maybe or maybe not) there is a whole shitload of 747'sup there and the airline business is booming now.
I suppose Kallita bould be could be very helpful though, if presented with the possibility of scheduled sanctioned events.
All business was conducted with the airport manager whose name I do not remember.
After the fiasco in 2008 It would be best to approach him/them showing the most amount of discipline, as is practiced at sanctioned LSR events and continually pointing out the range of these disciplines that are practiced by SCTA and ECTA. (safety, rules, rescue, etc etc.
AND the desire to have a long term relationship. The original exposure they had with going fast, is a harsh memory. Nothing bad happened, no one crashed, etc etc, but they saw a total lack of organization and discipline that they (airport management)(FAA) are used to.
One potential problem is timing of an event. The summertime tourist season begins in mid Jun, till labour day. There are a number of hotels and restraunts, but will be very busy. Even with the present condition of the economy. Facilities are adequate for several hundred racers if held "off season". It could be win win for everyone
Going thru the chamber of commerce, and armed with numbers of racers and spectators drawn to the Lorirng event may help the cause. I'll bet there is a wealth of information available from the two years in Maine or the many years of Laurenburg/Maxton.
Convincing them that MONEY will be spent in their town is quite helpful.
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Thanks Rick. When we get set to go up there, I'll let you know. I think that i might have a Kalitta contact, as well as a local contact. Do you have personal experience with the 2008 event that "fouled" the set up?
Geo Turner
geezer49060@tds.net
Near kalamazoo
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Richards-Gebaur, It's 9000 with 1000 on each end for 'runoff'. South of Kansas City MO. I'm on the other side of MO, Rumor has it that they cut in rail road tracks to load Mexican trains? Is there any one around 'Belton" that could check this out better?
RICK
Rick I thought that they built a very large car auction barn on the north end of Richards-Gebaur.
I live about a 100 miles south of there when I get up that way I'll check it out.
Here is a web site I ran across looking for an old airport close to us. It has a list of abandon airports in the U.S.
http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/index.htm
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Richards-Gebaur, It's 9000 with 1000 on each end for 'runoff'. South of Kansas City MO. I'm on the other side of MO, Rumor has it that they cut in rail road tracks to load Mexican trains? Is there any one around 'Belton" that could check this out better?
RICK
Rick I thought that they built a very large car auction barn on the north end of Richards-Gebaur.
I live about a 100 miles south of there when I get up that way I'll check it out.
Here is a web site I ran across looking for an old airport close to us. It has a list of abandon airports in the U.S.
http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/index.htm
That's a great link, Iam biased towards this spot but it is perfect as a track! Would everyone be willing to travel to eastern Montana?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=glasgow+airport+montana&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.701751,50.976562&ie=UTF8&hq=glasgow+airport&hnear=Montana&ll=48.420201,-106.526527&spn=0.048988,0.099564&t=h&z=13
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That's a great link, Iam biased towards this spot but it is perfect as a track! Would everyone be willing to travel to eastern Montana?
I don't think Montana is generally considered Midwest, but the general idea of the thread was to see if other venues could be developed around the country, I am in the Midwest so i have a selfish interest in having a venue closer than 1,000 miles to me. Additional Venues will only serve to advance the sport, but finding a place is only the first step. Putting together a group of people willing to volunteer their time to put on the event is the second challenge, then the third challenge is coming up with enough money for the first event.
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I can't believe you beat me to that "Montana not in the midwest", comment. It's probally cause my computer is just too old and slow. [ I think it's got a tube going bad and the fan belt's loose]
The whole idea of a Midwest event is to bring some convenience to Land Speed Racing. So I googled population center of US, and came up with Edgar Springs Missouri. Now if we could just get them to close highway 63 between Edgar Springs and Licking MO for the weekend,, there is a dead straight 8 or 9 miles of fresh pavement.
Lookin for gas money, RICK
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I think the problem with the experience in 08 was that an "EVENT" was not supposed to happen.
The airport manager expected a dealer with "several" of his customers to show up.
They had 20 to 25 cars, most of which were running well over 150 MPH with virtually NO safety gear.
Fastest speed of the meet was a modified Ford GT that if I remember correctly went 211 MPH.
A bunch of Mustangs, Corvettes, etc etc that were going close to the 200 Mark.
He got blind sided, and really pissed off. I'm sure the "dealer" had no liability insurance.
It had become a big deal when it should have been 3 or 4 guys testing.
George, don't hesitate to PM me.
I'm not sure what more I can say except I would love to test the liner there but don't look to be able to afford the price of admission.
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I think key to convincing any facility operator to something like this would be to put forth a proposal by an organization that included the issues of liability, that spelled out the rules that we'd adhere to, that showed respect for the facility and the neighboring community, and had a clear plan as to how the event was to be run.
A conversation with the operator as to what went wrong at the last event, and insuring his input at the planning stages, along with keeping him advised about any proposed changes would likely help assuage fears and doubts.
We'd also need to worry about the neighbors coming out with torches and pitchforks, and any bad blood that such an event might cause the operator of the facility. Let's face it, we'd be there for a weekend - he'll have to see these people every day down at the Seven-Eleven.
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I talked to Gary Kell who is in charge of airport operations at Oscoda Township, Michigan. He says we are not the first people to ask, and the issue has been brought before the town board, but in the end it was voted down. The airport is available for Vehicle testing but that is usually 1 or 2 at a time. they also have restrictions on the use of grassy areas because of the possibility of unexploded ordinance!
So it looks like we have to keep looking.
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I had a phone call from Gary yesterday - Wurthsmith isn't going to work out. Still hoping to find a venue in the midwest.
Thanks for your efforts.
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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I was at Maxton last weekend, and as most of you probably know, the ECTA lost their lease and is actively looking for a new Venue. I had some conversations about it, and many options are being investigated. They include the shuttle landing facility, airbases and airports. A big concern in dealing with the military is that you are subject the the whims of whoever the base commander is at a given moment in time. you also have security issues of allowing people onto an active military base.
I talked to Joe Timmey this morning, He says that they are still looking, and may end up with more than one venue, but nothing yet.
I did have a thought, the GM proving grounds in Michigan has about a 3 mile straight ( GPS location 42.583603°N 83.684449°W) Anybody know sombody at GM who might be able to pull some strings and get the use of the facility a couple of weekends a year?
Just a thought