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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: dwphotos on June 29, 2010, 09:27:42 PM
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Hey Everyone
I hope everybody enjoyed our tropical NC weather this weekend. From the monsoon on Fri. night to the blistering heat through the weekend. I didn't realize the old motorhome had so many roof leaks. Better yet over both the beds. I'm just glad the ole' wreck made it back home. Gotta lot of work to do to it between now and Sept. As always thanks to all that braved the inferno to make another successful event a pleasure. Got kinda hot on the photo deck in the afternoon so I tried hanging out underneath it for a bit of shade and pop out as the racers passed. Between shooing off the fireants and knocking my head on the deck a couple of times, it didn't work out too well. Well here's a few pics that I hope everyone will enjoy. Thanks again to all and hope to see you in late Sept.when the temps may be a little more bearable.
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Nice shots David!
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Fantastic pictures as always, thanks for posting these David. -Dean
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Great shots..love the two wheeler in the three wheeler class.. :cheers:
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that is a wheel on a steeeek willie buchta
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Great pictures David! :cheers:
Thanks for sharing them.
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David, your panning technique is excellent! A fast shutter can only do so much . . . great pics and thanx. 8-)
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Cool!
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OK.....tell me again......that you "wheel on a stick" racers don't "fly" the sidecar wheel...........................
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I thought that was a side-mount spare -- but it seems to be going around.
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at an scta event 10% of the weight of the rig has to be on the sidecar wheel ---same rule applys for the ecta---guess they dont have a set of scales
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5700.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5700.0.html)
willie buchta
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I've teched sidecars at ECTA, and they do need to meet weight requirements. That CB750 does have a chunk of weight the 3rd wheel.
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It is my understanding that this "sidecar" set a "sidecar record"..........just proof of what I have been saying and posting for years........It also shows that 10% in the sidecar is not enough......I would think
60kg (132lbls) (as noted in the AMA rules) might be a better choice.....so the rig can somewhat be classified as a "sidecar"
As has been noted....."real sidecars have passengers"
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Your panning is excellent.
FREUD
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Looking at it more closely, it may be that the sidecar hit a bump and jumped. The bike looks to be perpendicular to the track. But I'm just speculating.
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Thats me on the side car rig. The track surface is such that in a few places the wheel leaves the track. That's not so bad, but moments later it lands again; I'd prefer it stayed on the track. The way that particular rig is attached/suspended it would be impossible to fly the car unless you were in a very (very, very) hard left turn.
Having a passenger in the car is not allowed by ECTA rules, but that sounds cool. I think my Mom might be up for it.
It is true that they don't scale my rig at the track, but I scale it at home and I have ECTA integrity.
Who would cheat while running on an open record??
Rob
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I was gonna comment that the suspension on the sidecar is VERY flexible -- I saw Mr. Hombre1 doing a turn to the left - away from the car -- and noticed then that the car didn't fly even when he leaned the bike away from it. Maybe too flexible -- I'm not a hack rider so don't know anything about riding one of 'em -- but I know what I saw and thought I might spread the word.
And now I have commented.
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Being that most if not all the Land Racing Org's. except for the BUB are car based clubs, I was just wondering what the various officials/boards would do if proof was shown that one of their car classes
was not really as classified........and that they had been handing out points/trophy's/records for many years to a class that is in question..............?
"Real sidecars have passengers" or at least follow the World Wide Rules of 60kg ballast..................
From Rob's last post it would seem to me that ECTA needs to work on their Tech. inspections.......I cannot
believe that Tom Evans (SCTA/BNI Tech.) would except "SCTA/BNI Integrity"
Congrats on your "record" Rob.........
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bak189, I think your opinion is now crystal clear. Luckily for Rob, it's just that, your opinion. In the eyes of the ECTA, Rob's sidecar is legal, and his records are valid. Hopefully that is acceptable.
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If a vehicle is allowed under the rules of an organisation and sets a record under those rules -- how could it NOT be a record?
It might not be a record under another group's rules -- but that's beside the point. So -- how could a class be in question if the vehicle fits the present club's rule with no variations?
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this vid from another thread shows the Bumpyness of the track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvh8WfA4Ik
Bikes also "fly" thier wheels from time to time on this track due to the nature of the track........
Guess that makes them Unimotorcycles in BAKs book
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9429 really ran down the course... Sad, really sad... nothing fell off?
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Thanks you guys for all the compliments. And Freud, it was great talking to you today.
Sorry guys. I sure didn't mean to stir up the doo doo with that sidecar shot. :? I just thought it looked pretty cool.
See ya'll in Sept.
DW
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"Your panning is excellent.
FREUD"
Fredu -- Was that quote directed to dw or Bakker?
Stan
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bak189, how about you bring your rig to Maxton and show us what you got.
Bill
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Rob,
Please understand I was not noting your bike was illegal or in the wrong class, it was a most excellent picture at a time when I am sure you hit a bump on the Maxton racing service, I to have made a few passes on a sidecar and understand what happened. I have also ran a few times at Maxton and know of the surface where some others here may not.
Perhaps you can show others a few close up pictures of your rig to show the minimum weight has been applied, I at times had to add 300 pounds to get the bike to hook up on the dirt at El Mirage..
What year is your SOHC?
I had a 78SS and currently have a 75 400-4
Congrats on your record and your racing accomplishments, sometimes getting there and back is the hardest part.. :cheers:
John
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I like the picture of 9232 car. How do you get a phantom flag in the back of the car? Im sure it's an illusion, but i would like it explained to me. Looks neat.
I also like the picture of the car with parachute coming out and hitting ground in the bag... Great photo.
The images are excellent, I wish I had 1% of that type of talent.
JonAmo
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sorry ecta didnt mean to stir up anything--- for anyone running a side car and tech inspectors you should read 7.I.11A --if you guys think that track is bumpy you all should come to el mirage and run at the end of the day--my sidecar rig is ridged on all three corners and ive had all three wheels off the ground ---your track is always the same el mirage changes at every race and sometimes after every run i dont know about bob but i would love to come back there and race you guys-- what are the records for the 1000 cc sc-pg and pf records i have ran 135 in gas and 141 in fuel at el mirage ( 4000 ft at 100 degrees )--i only have the records from 08 for the ecta ---checked map quest 5400 + miles 540 gal of gas 3 dollars a gal = 1620 dollars ---its on my bucket list---if i just had a gas sponsor --maybe next year---the wheel on a steeeek is an ongoing thing between noonan and bakker and i --no harm intended ---if i can run 135 mph there will i need a front brake--thanks willie buchta
real sidecars are ones that make it through tech end of story
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I like the picture of 9232 car. How do you get a phantom flag in the back of the car? Im sure it's an illusion, but i would like it explained to me. Looks neat.
I also like the picture of the car with parachute coming out and hitting ground in the bag... Great photo.
The images are excellent, I wish I had 1% of that type of talent.
JonAmo
That blur behind the car is Seth's life flashing before his eyes as he runs 190+ with a 'chute deployment failure.
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Willie,
The SC-PG 1000 record is just under 99mph (98.75xx mph) the PF is open.
Come on and have fun with us,,, you may want some suspension.......but Joe on the Iron dog Buell goes 150 on a rigid with no seat or padding,,,, he just talks a few octives higher after each run..
Charles
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9429 really ran down the course... Sad, really sad... nothing fell off?
the 9429 'car' is an example of cars running in the series known as 24 Hours of LeMons
http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
Coming from a oval track and road course series these cars are eligible for the ECTA Circle Track category.
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I like the picture of 9232 car. How do you get a phantom flag in the back of the car? Im sure it's an illusion, but i would like it explained to me. Looks neat.
I also like the picture of the car with parachute coming out and hitting ground in the bag... Great photo.
The images are excellent, I wish I had 1% of that type of talent.
JonAmo
That blur behind the car is Seth's life flashing before his eyes as he runs 190+ with a 'chute deployment failure.
The chute failure was caused by the release cable being 1/8" to long.... Seth IMMEDIATLY resolved that issue,, you can bet that won't happen again...Good thing he had decent brakes,,, he used up 99% of long shutdown and exited safely.
Charles
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We took 1.5 in. off his cable.The car has 12+ passes up until then with no issues.Allways have plan (B) just in case.Good brakes saved his butt!
terry
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charles at el mirage the start to finish line is 1.3 miles the racer is timed the last 132 ft of the track --the computer in the timing tower takes the time and converts it to mph---is maxton timed the same way and what are the weather conditions there ---corrected altitude and temp. i was comparing some maxton records with bonneville records and they are pretty much the same in the sidecar pushrod classes--i must be missing something --maybe its the air---anyway hope to see you all at bonneville willie buchta
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Great photos as always! I'm gonna have to order a CD. You caught one awesome one of Josh (1302) in the traps that I need on the wall in an 8x10! Oh & one down the end with Josh, Todd & Flipper! Another keeper! :cheers: TJ on the gixxer, Nancy on the gixxer.... David, I'm so glad you're there to grab the shots I can't get! Dean on both bikes & the fist pump! Had to be the record run! Just love it! Good stuff!!!
Sidecar chat... cruise thru David's full album on his site & you'll see more of the same sidecar with the wheel on the ground. And who ever said the wheel had to be 100% on the ground? Todd can fly a wheel with 400lbs on it so what's the difference. I thought good sidecar riders could do that with control? And yes, all the sidecars so far are weighted. Maybe not a precision weight & measurement job, but regardless it has been verified in tech. We do our best to adhear to the rules and to help others to do so. Maybe we don't weigh down to the smallest milligram or measure down to the last fraction of an inch, that minuscule amount of difference benefits nobody. Todd's current ride is rigid so you can bet you'll see a wheel up on our track, no telling which of three it will be or even all three at once but hey that's just racing at our track! :-D
Thanks again David! You'll have an order from me as soon as I narrow it down!
Debbie :-D
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Willie,,, From start to finish we have 1 mile to run and yes we have timers at the end... same 132 foot deal ....we have .9 mile from finish to U turn at end of long shutdown to get stopped.
We are only a few hundred feet above sea level,,, sometimes we have very good air,,,sometimes not so good like in June but April, May and Oct the air is GREAT most of the time.... June and Sept it's a roll of the dice depending on humidity... but all in all you can make good HP here.
Charles
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sidecar cam thanks to Todd Dross
Perspective: just inboard of the SC wheel and a few inches off the concrete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Z91jfH_NY
edited version with a trip around the pits will be done shortly
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I remember the side hack Honda ... It had a dumbell attached to the platform out by outrigger wheel ... definitely legal.
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Being that most if not all the Land Racing Org's. except for the BUB are car based clubs, I was just wondering what the various officials/boards would do if proof was shown that one of their car classes
was not really as classified........and that they had been handing out points/trophy's/records for many years to a class that is in question..............?
"Real sidecars have passengers" or at least follow the World Wide Rules of 60kg ballast..................
From Rob's last post it would seem to me that ECTA needs to work on their Tech. inspections.......I cannot
believe that Tom Evans (SCTA/BNI Tech.) would except "SCTA/BNI Integrity"
Congrats on your "record" Rob.........
BAK189
OK . . I am typing very slowly so you can keep up . . . First the crack about "Being that most if not all the Land Racing Org's. except for the BUB are car based clubs. . ." Says who? Yes, BUB is for Bikes only. But, most other organizations in LSR are open to BOTH bikes and cars. Wide open. Check the run logs for ECTA and you will note some meets where there are more passes by bikes than cars. For several years ECTA has hosted a special bike event (along with the regular show) at the September meet. Doesn't sound like a "Car based" organization to me. The track record at maxton is held by a bike. So the fasted record in what you call a 'car based club' is a bike record.
Second - the pompous crack about " . . . handing out points/trophy's/records " - I think Jon addressed that in an earlier post. Let me add to that. Records aren't 'handed out.' They are awarded to drivers/riders that have earned them. If you don't like this why don't you form your own organization and hand out your own records?
Please pardon the rest of us that have dared to compete without your personal blessing. Are there any application forms that can be submitted to apply to be a member of your special elite circle? Maybe then we can also claim to have met some "World Wide Rules" (whatever that means).
Third - speaking of the comment ". ."Real sidecars have passengers" or at least follow the World Wide Rules of 60kg ballast.................." . I am under the impression that you are in fact a real expert in these matters and in sidecar issues specifically. I'll grant you that. Fine! You know sidecars better than most. Even so . . please stop this 'passengers' crusade. Do you own a car or truck? Even if you don't. The next time you are driving or riding in a car or truck look at the interior. Notice those extra seats? Yeah! Real cars and trucks have passengers. Even so, cars and trucks (except for rallying) don't race with passengers. In fact many street motorcycles have seating for two. But, two wheeled motorcycles don't race with passengers. Get over it. There was a vote on passengers in LSR sidecars. You lost. If you must race with a passenger, go roadracing.
Fourth - the integrity crack. I know most of the officials and tech inspectors in the ECTA and I know many of the racers. Questioning their integrity is uncalled for, rude and unacceptable. Your apology is awaited.
Last - What I find confusing is why you feel the need to criticize a racer you don't know that is racing with an organization at a venue where you have apparently not visited nor raced there. I have met Rob and his wife. I have seen them both spending several hours volunteering and working at the ECTA events. I have talked to him in the staging lanes. I have been impressed by his well maintained and prepared Honda 750. He is an example of what is right about LSR.
Someone posted above that they invited you to come to Maxton and race. Let me point out that I do not second that invitation.
You signed your post with "Question authority.....always".
What I have tried to do with this post is "Question self-appointed authority.....always"
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Willie,,, From start to finish we have 1 mile to run and yes we have timers at the end... same 132 foot deal ....we have .9 mile from finish to U turn at end of long shutdown to get stopped.
We are only a few hundred feet above sea level,,, sometimes we have very good air,,,sometimes not so good like in June but April, May and Oct the air is GREAT most of the time.... June and Sept it's a roll of the dice depending on humidity... but all in all you can make good HP here.
Charles
Charles,
The shut down info is good to hear..Maxton has more shutdown and ElMo has a little more run up area.
At Maxton the top speed record is only 272 and at El Mirage it is 312 or so..more room to get to speed with 3/4 the traction is interesting however doing it with less traction must mean more down force?
Good thing for Todd is that Bob Moreland (SDRC) built the sidecar rigs that Todd and I both have ridden, Bob knows his stuff.
Congrats to Todd for leading the ECTA points championship for the bikes with the Bob Moreland build chassis sidecar rig/Weeeel ona steeeek... :-D :cheers:
John
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This is going to be a long letter....
I guess that maybe I started all of this by the crack I made about a wheel on a steeek. When I first started racing I built a sidecar bike and everyone called it a wheel on a stick(which offended me greatly). Although John Noonan and I belong to different clubs, I think we both decided that we would start calling our bikes a wheel on a steeek and maybe people would quit using that term(and most people have). Now its kind of used in a humorous way but I guess my West coast humor wasn't caught on the East coast, but now you know.
As far as Bob Bakker's concerned, he has been racing and building sidecars for at least 50 years. And he is still doing it to this day. As a matter of fact, Bob Bakker wrote the sidecar rules for the SCTA. Which is followed very, very closely by the ECTA. The rules are the same for the sidecar class. I think what Bob was trying to say in his post is there is a difference between club records, national records and world records. The FIM is a World record racing club, which means that you can break the record anywhere in the world. And if you break the record it cancels out any other record in that class. Now as far as club records, he's talking about El Mirage in Southern California. Where you have to belong to one of the car clubs to race there and break a record. And that record can only be broke at El Mirage. So, a BNI record, an ECTA record, Maxton, Loring, USFRA and DLRA records do not count at El Mirage. That's a lot of peoples take on world vs. club records. And I completely understand where they are coming from.
But I have a different outlook on club and world records and that is this. AMA and FIM records can be broke anywhere in the world. As long as you can set up the track and get the right people there. So we are talking a world record. Now El Mirage on the other hand, I think if you want to break my record you have to come to El Mirage, join a club,go through tech, break my record, get your gas checked and tear your motor apart. Now since El Mirage is the only place in the galaxy that my record can be broken.... I consider it a galactic record. So what I'm really trying to say is that it's just the way you look at things sometimes that make you see the way they are. Humor is the best medicine.
Just some thoughts. Hope to see you all at Bonneville
Willie Buchta
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john i may be wrong but i think they moved the back door 1 mile from the finish line this year willie
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"Little Liner" .....From your reply it is quite apparent that you are new to LSR......it is also quite apparent you know very little about LSR sidecars and the politics involved....You also noted that if I wanted to race our sidecar with a passenger I should go roadracing (been there done that) with that statement you are again indicating to me your lack of knowledge about LSR sidecars and the sport in general...............
We have raced the BUB all M/C meet since the first one Denis promoted with our sidecar using a passenger.......BUB, AMA, FIM, gives the sidecar racers the option of a passenger OR 60kg of ballast.....
However, I would like to thank you for your long reply......it made for interesting reading................
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BB,
Because I am not sure, have you entered and also set an FIM "World Record" while competing at the Bubs all motorcycle time trials.
J
PS. I have never entered the FIM classes for the side car we have.
J
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Being that most if not all the Land Racing Org's. except for the BUB are car based clubs, I was just wondering what the various officials/boards would do if proof was shown that one of their car classes
was not really as classified........and that they had been handing out points/trophy's/records for many years to a class that is in question..............?
"Real sidecars have passengers" or at least follow the World Wide Rules of 60kg ballast..................
From Rob's last post it would seem to me that ECTA needs to work on their Tech. inspections.......I cannot
believe that Tom Evans (SCTA/BNI Tech.) would except "SCTA/BNI Integrity"
Congrats on your "record" Rob.........
What is wrong with you ? Sir... you have no right to say something like that .
Do enjoy your record Rob .You earned it.
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You know, there's really no point in putting the wheel on a scale when it's obvious that the weight requirement is met. That's what we mean by integrity. We can weigh, measure & inspect everything and are free to do so if there is any question, doubt, challenge, discussion, request but it's not necessary and needlessly time consuming.
I've been through SCTA tech, they don't check every rule in the book to the letter of the written rule. It would take a day per vehicle.
This is the ECTA section, if you hate the ECTA so much then why not just stop visiting our section? I mean really, this is an event picture post & we have multiple pages of "sidecar" bashing. :roll:
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Back to the photos....
Eric, you really manage to tuck in tight on such a small bike. :cheers:
Did you sort out the nitrous on your 250?
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It is quite obvious to me that some of the people racing on the East Coast are of the sensitive type........
My post regarding the pictured sidecar has nothing to do with the way ECTA runs their events or does their Tech. inspections.........It has everything to do with the way the sidecar class has evolved into
a class to get points and set open records not just at ECTA but also at SCTA/BNI and I suspect in the future it will also involve the "new" land speed racing clubs. The way the sidecar rules have been morphed over the original concept is what concerns me. My argument since, the first rule "changes" were made in 1987, have always been that we should get back to racing "real sidecars" which allow for the option of using a passenger. I will note that my efforts have been somewhat successfull as the sidecar rules now
state (most org. use the SCTA/BNI rules) that a 12inch by 36inch platform is required thus making it somewhat of a sidecar as opposed to a "wheel on a steeeeek" In addition the rules now demand that
ballast is required in the sidecar even though I feel that the 10% of the total outfit is not enough and that the international weight rule should be used of 60kg. These changes have been made in the rules
partly due to my "crusade" over the years. Also as part of "the crusade" the BUB allows for the option
of using a passenger. And, Yes John, I did set a FIM run racing in Europe in the late 1980's.........
OK. back to the pictures.......
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I understand your position, but your tone toward Rob's record and his INTEGRITY was totally uncalled for. You come off as an (edit, I apologize for the bad language), and that doesn't help your cause.
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Being that most if not all the Land Racing Org's. except for the BUB are car based clubs, I was just wondering what the various officials/boards would do if proof was shown that one of their car classes
was not really as classified........and that they had been handing out points/trophy's/records for many years to a class that is in question..............?
"Real sidecars have passengers" or at least follow the World Wide Rules of 60kg ballast..................
From Rob's last post it would seem to me that ECTA needs to work on their Tech. inspections.......I cannot
believe that Tom Evans (SCTA/BNI Tech.) would except "SCTA/BNI Integrity"
Congrats on your "record" Rob.........
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Sabat......Thank you for your post.....BUT I have been called worse names by better people............
(As I note before "sensitive types)
Back to the pictures, which are outstanding
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Bob,
Thanks for the answer however I had asked about FIM at Bubs.. :cheers: FIM can kiss my audi..
Bob I hope I am one of those you speak of :-D
Now back to your favorite daytime drama "As the Weeel turns" :-D
Attempt at a thread jack..any "Maxton" racers been to Perth Australia..?
J
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No John, no FIM run at the BUB..........and John, for once I agree with you.....FIM has its problems........
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I guess no apology to Rob is forthcoming. Is it Rob's fault for building a legal ECTA sidecar? Is he worthy of your scorn? Perhaps you could direct your energy toward the sanctioning body, and not the individual racer, who plays within the rules to set records and have fun.
Oh well, back to the pictures.
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Bak... I woudn't call east coast racers sensitive when you go ape sh..t about monkeys :-o
JL222 :roll:
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From Rob's last post it would seem to me that ECTA needs to work on their Tech. inspections.......I cannot
believe that Tom Evans (SCTA/BNI Tech.) would except "SCTA/BNI Integrity"
Congrats on your "record" Rob.........
You realize that tech inspection at SCTA could care less if the vehicle is legal for the class or not. Only that it meets the safety requirements. Class legality is found in impound and disputed through formal protest.
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But I have a different outlook on club and world records and that is this. AMA and FIM records can be broke anywhere in the world. As long as you can set up the track and get the right people there. So we are talking a world record. Now El Mirage on the other hand, I think if you want to break my record you have to come to El Mirage, join a club,go through tech, break my record, get your gas checked and tear your motor apart. Now since El Mirage is the only place in the galaxy that my record can be broken.... I consider it a galactic record. So what I'm really trying to say is that it's just the way you look at things sometimes that make you see the way they are. Humor is the best medicine.
Just some thoughts. Hope to see you all at Bonneville
Willie Buchta
"Galactic record" :cheers:
In a few years I hope there becomes a governing body for Mile LSR. World Wide Timing Association (WWTA) That will unify the now 7 or so tracks in the world (more coming) and you will be able to run for track, national, and world records at any of these tracks. For now we are only governed by ourselves(Mile Racers) when it comes to inter-track speeds/records. So far so good, no big disputs.
Sure wish Loring would add the mile traps on, so they also could be included
Bill
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Sabat....Read the post again.....I did congrats Rob on his "record".....(do you race a sidecar?)
DallasV....I assume you are talking about the 10% ballast ........the ballast rule was added for safety
so it becomes part of the Tech. inspection.....(I know you don't race a sidecar)
Jl222.....You are right I am "sensitive" about sidecar passengers...(do you race a sidecar?)
Back to the pictures.......
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No bak I don't race a sidecar...but I have passed all of them after they had a 15 min head start
JL222
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I am so glad that I am not a part of this one.
DW
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I am so glad that I am not a part of this one.
DW
Too late for me.
bak189; On internet forums, whenever people place words inside quotes, it generally implies that they mean the opposite. Sarcasm. Scorn. Perhaps you're not aware of this, and I misinterpret the intention of your post, since you obviously have so much "respect" for other racers.
I haven't raced a sidecar (yet). Do you race in the ECTA? That's the sanction we're talking about, right?
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Sabat....Read the post again.....I did congrats Rob on his "record".....(do you race a sidecar?)
How is that a congratulations when you can't write it without it being in quotes? What are the quotes supposed to imply?
Sabat's team races a sidecar so he's well versed and welcomed to run it any time he wants. Each member has their position on our team, right now it's another pilots ride. If it will make you feel better & his argument hold any weight we'll be happy to give him the next go on it. I can assure you he's an intelligent and skilled rider, it won't be much of a challenge and I don't see it making any difference at all in his knowledge on the subject nor do I see it making any difference to you so what's the point? :roll: It's a shame you're so grumpy about sidecars. With your knowledge you could be a great ambassador instead you choose to attack anyone that dares to run one. As stated earlier, the ECTA gets its rules from the SCTA so there's really no point in griping about the ECTA's enforcement of rules and facilitating 1 mile records. If you don't like what we allow you need to change it with the SCTA and we'll follow suit.
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On internet forums, whenever people place words inside quotes, it generally implies that they mean the opposite. Sarcasm. Scorn.
I learned something today. I use the quote button all the time, and it is not to put someone down. I use it to reply to a post, so that people know what I am responding to.
One of the biggest problems with posting on the internet is you cannot see the person's face to really understand, and comprehend what they are saying. This leads to misinterpreted posts.
Tom G.
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Sabat......Are you maybe related to Rob..........brother, father, cousin, uncle????
If Rob has a problem with the way I treated him let him speak for himself and I will handle it accordingly
He does not need you to speak for him........
SO GET OFF MY BACK, SABAT...... and tell Rob to contact me either on this forum or by PM if he feels there is a need.
Hey DW.....jump right in here if you like.......maybe you too can also be called a nasty names by the happy ECTA folks............
Thank you...desotoman.........................
Back to the pictures......
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It was so nice communicating with you bak189, I'll be getting off your back now.
Maybe I'll click over to the BUB section and see if I can stir (edit) the pot...
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bak189 Rob is an ECTA racer, that makes him family to all of us ECTA racers. WE as ECTA racers take offense to you speaking to one of our racers in such a condescending manor. Why don't you just apologize to all of us for this little pi$$ festival? You've insulted a racer, you've insulted the organization, you've insulted the rules (which we didn't even write), you've insulted the techs, you've insulted our vehicles. If apologizing is beneath you then why don't you just quit posting in the ECTA section? Your disdain for our track is obvious. We get it. It's noted. It's documented. It's written on the bathroom wall. I fail to see why you insist on going on and on and on about it. It's not fixing or changing anything. If you don't like the rules take it up with the SCTA. If you don't ever plan to race with the ECTA then why read or post in our section?
And I don't consider not wanting to listen to or take someones crap a sign of being too sensitive. I call it standing up for myself, my friends, my family, my organization and my passion. Need we go on with this senselessness?
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Maybe you just need to have the last word, so go for it!
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Sorry Bob,
They love me.
DW
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We do?? :wink:
Fred
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Of course we do!! :evil:
Fred
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Hey Sabat, I can't really say it was nice talking to you.......but it is my understanding that you are a important part of a fast sidecar team......with this in mind I would like to invite you and your team to the
2010 BUB Meet with your sidecar.....remember, you have the option of using ballast or a passenger....also you will able to race for $900.00 that I am putting up for the fastest sidecar in your class...............
($900.00 for normal sidecar....$900.00 for streamliner sidecar) However, if you set a record your engine will have to be torn down and measured.......hope we can meet up at the BUB........
PS. With all these posts I have certainly learned that all of the ECTA racers (at least the M/C people)
are one happy family......I like it......set a record, no engine measurement....run a sidecar no weight check....
they all trust each other....Boy, I wish all world wide racing operated that way....just have fun and go fast
I think with all these posts I have made my point.....and retire to the shop and have a cold-one plus
another one for DW..................Peace
How your shoulder, Murf
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Back to the photos....
Eric, you really manage to tuck in tight on such a small bike. :cheers:
Did you sort out the nitrous on your 250?
Thank you for the kind words. I have spent more time on body position than engine development at this stage. I do hope to sort out nitrous soon.
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Eric, in your experimentation with the tailsection, have you thought about filling in the space behind your butt? You have up to 40" I think in Modified.
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bak189 Rob is an ECTA racer, that makes him family to all of us ECTA racers. WE as ECTA racers take offense to you speaking to one of our racers in such a condescending manor.
Yes, Bak...apparently only ECTA racers are allowed to speak to other ECTA racers in such a condescending manner.... :-D
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Eric, in your experimentation with the tailsection, have you thought about filling in the space behind your butt? You have up to 40" I think in Modified.
Dean I need a whole new body. I have been just adding and subtracting from the bike to see what it dose. I want to build a new body BUT I am trying to have the worlds fastest Ninja 250 . So I need to keep it looking like a ninja 250 . That is getting more and more difficult as I go. I want to make a new Hump back there. But I think extending the swing arm and and making a smooth curve from back tire to back side will be a future project.
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Eric, in your experimentation with the tailsection, have you thought about filling in the space behind your butt? You have up to 40" I think in Modified.
Dean I need a whole new body. I have been just adding and subtracting from the bike to see what it dose. I want to build a new body BUT I am trying to have the worlds fastest Ninja 250 . So I need to keep it looking like a ninja 250 . That is getting more and more difficult as I go. I want to make a new Hump back there. But I think extending the swing arm and and making a smooth curve from back tire to back side will be a future project.
Your bike looks fantastic. I remember when it was almost stock. It, and you, have come a long way! Congrats again! :-)
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Eric, in your experimentation with the tailsection, have you thought about filling in the space behind your butt? You have up to 40" I think in Modified.
Dean I need a whole new body. I have been just adding and subtracting from the bike to see what it dose. I want to build a new body BUT I am trying to have the worlds fastest Ninja 250 . So I need to keep it looking like a ninja 250 . That is getting more and more difficult as I go. I want to make a new Hump back there. But I think extending the swing arm and and making a smooth curve from back tire to back side will be a future project.
Your bike looks fantastic. I remember when it was almost stock. It, and you, have come a long way! Congrats again! :-)
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Thank you .With out everyones help I would have not gotten this far or fast.
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I set the sidecar record at Maxton Last weekend at 196.669 and if BAK 189 wants to ride in it next time when i go 200 he is more then welcome, the 9684 sidecar and my sidecar are artulating sidecars , meaning they are free to balance up and down with a damper to controll the balancd,we can lean them like a 2 wheel bike.
I built mine by the rule book. Like i said i will take the ballast off and put your ass on it and see if you have the balls. Or why don,t you build one and come to Maxton and run on this rough ass track, put up are shut up,Eddie Powell #9669 :-)
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I set the sidecar record at Maxton Last weekend at 196.669 and if BAK 189 wants to ride in it next time when i go 200 he is more then welcome, the 9684 sidecar and my sidecar are artulating sidecars , meaning they are free to balance up and down with a damper to controll the balancd,we can lean them like a 2 wheel bike.
I built mine by the rule book. Like i said i will take the ballast off and put your Acura on it and see if you have the balls. Or why don,t you build one and come to Maxton and run on this rough Acura track, put up are shut up,Eddie Powell #9669 :-)
EDDIE! Glad to see you on this site :cheers:
Good job on the 196. Can't wait to see you go 200, maybe Sept.
Keep up the good work,
Bill
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EDDIE! Glad to see you on this site :cheers:
Good job on the 196. Can't wait to see you go 200, maybe Sept.
Keep up the good work,
Bill
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Eddie,
196 on a sidecar is awesome :cheers:
Post up some pictures and congrats on the great record... :cheers:
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Wait'll you see the paint job on his bike. It's done in a WWII-era style, complete with rivets and battleship grey and even a pinup girl. I was impressed the first time I saw it -- and his runs are impressive, too. I probably have a photo of it someplace in the file -- maybe I can find it later on.
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Welcome to the board Eddie, and congrats on your wicked fast standing mile passes.
I think David Whealon will be OK with me posting this pic from his site.
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I am with you Slim,that was one neat looking bike. the rivets were a real nice touch. :-D
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I found this one. . .
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On internet forums, whenever people place words inside quotes, it generally implies that they mean the opposite. Sarcasm. Scorn.
I learned something today. I use the quote button all the time, and it is not to put someone down. I use it to reply to a post, so that people know what I am responding to.
One of the biggest problems with posting on the internet is you cannot see the person's face to really understand, and comprehend what they are saying. This leads to misinterpreted posts.
Tom G.
Tom, keep using the quote button.... in an ECTA photo thread all the sidehack discussion requires understanding who is replying to what. The sarcasm quote is when you say something like Willie holds the "galactic" record for pushrod sidecars.... implying sarcasm ....
as we all know his is the intergalactic record... :roll:
BTW, great pictures, congrats to all the ECTA racers for racing... and a bigger congrats to the record setters. :cheers:
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Geez the second time today I learn how dumb I am---I use " :cheers: " all the time well I guess I am going to be forced to UNlearn someold habits :-D lol
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On internet forums, whenever people place words inside quotes, it generally implies that they mean the opposite. Sarcasm. Scorn.
I learned something today. I use the quote button all the time, and it is not to put someone down. I use it to reply to a post, so that people know what I am responding to.
One of the biggest problems with posting on the internet is you cannot see the person's face to really understand, and comprehend what they are saying. This leads to misinterpreted posts.
Tom G.
Tom, keep using the quote button.... in an ECTA photo thread all the sidehack discussion requires understanding who is replying to what. The sarcasm quote is when you say something like Willie holds the "galactic" record for pushrod sidecars.... implying sarcasm ....
as we all know his is the intergalactic record... :roll:
BTW, great pictures, congrats to all the ECTA racers for racing... and a bigger congrats to the record setters. :cheers:
RSS, that is Bpoop, we all know I have the intergalactic record for any sidecar in any universe... :-D
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