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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: FADED on April 14, 2010, 11:49:25 AM
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I just got my new SNELL 2010 helmet. I want to have it custom painted. I know in some racing classes its not allowed to have a painted helmet, (they say it affects the integrity) Does SCTA frown upon this or should I be OK?
THANKS LANCE
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This is from the FAQ on the Snell website
How about aftermarket accessories?
Each year we get a whole bunch of questions about different aftermarket helmet attachments. The Snell standards and testing applies strictly to whole helmets and how they perform out of the box. Snell does not test, or qualify aftermarket helmet accessories. We only certify complete helmet structures. The addition, subtraction or modification of any part, component or structure integral to the performance of any Snell certified helmet may void completely, or in part the Foundation's ability to support claims of Snell certification for that helmet. This generally does not include cosmetic changes such as painting, unless it is performed contrary to the manufacturers recommendations.
I don't know if it answers your question or not. I've seen a lot of painted helmets at the salt, right or wrong I don't know.
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Good question. I had heard that painting can affect the integrity of the helmet - for any of a few reasons. But having said that -- I've never heard any inspector tell me to disallow a painted helmet when I'm inspecting safety garb - at ECTA or SCTA/BNI events. My helmet is unpainted -- Nancy's is very painted (air brushed by a company that paints lots of helmets). Never had any questions raised by the inspectors.
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cool thanks again guys, I just didnt want to have it painted and then find out I cant use it?
Like my ex used to say it not how fast you run but how you look doing it!
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i have never heard of a legitimate sanctioning body rejecting a painted helmet....Ever.... the statement that painting affects the integrity of a helmet is down rite silly after all, don't the manufacturers paint their helmets???? if the helmets materials are affected by normal automotive or air brush paints it probably wasn't a DOT or Snell approved outer shell and you should probably take it back to Walmart.... usually the problem is when a competitor crashes in a helmet then has it custom painted to hide the damage instead of replacing it... a lot of racing organizations will impound a crashed helmet or even cut the strap off of a noticeably damaged helmet so it can not be used again...
Kent
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usually the problem is when a competitor crashes in a helmet then has it custom painted to hide the damage instead of replacing it...
The Darwin theory should take care of that. If you feel like wearing a damaged helmet then you deserve the results.
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I'm thinking most modern helmets are molded in the finished colors. In the old days of laquer paints it was alot more aggressive and could eat into the finish, so because of that some wont allow a painted helmets.
My kids little league wont even allow decals on them. They say because decals are used to hide damage.
Once again if you have a $10.00 head put a $10.00 helmet on it!!
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This brings up an interesting point. Since using a Hans type device requires drilling and attaching anchors to the shell of the helmet, Snell has left themselves a legal "wiggle" out caveat about modifying the structure of the shell. Should they all have to go back to the test stage, or to the lawyer's office?
I can see them lining up now to take the case.
Doug :evil:
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I look at it this way. FIA is the strictest sanctioning body in the World and they allow Rally and F1 drivers to paint their helmets.
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You MUST NOT paint a Buco "Helmet Hat", regardless mens or ladies style. Our route salesmen brought in some that were custom painted (this was early 1970), and when he dropped one it broke!
I'll bet everyone is glad to have that valuable piece of guidance! :roll:
I'll bet y'all are too young to 'member those!
JimL
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What were those helmets we had in the late 60's - early 70's --polycabonate?
Anywho -- went to a roundy-round race back then. Two competitors got aggressive on the track. One bumped the other off and won. Pulled up at the finish line to get the flag and the other one pulled up, too, got out of his car and started yelling, got so mad he threw his helmet on the track and it shattered like a big light bulb.
Stan
(Didn't see a Snell sticker.)
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The helmet shell is made from plastic, whether it's fiberglass, lexan, or kevlar.
The solvent in the paint might attack the plastic, but given the fast drying times of the paint I doubt it would have any effect on the structural strength of the helmet. The affected layer would be pretty thin.
You can do far more damage by leaving the helmet out in the sun, exposing it to high heat or freezing temperatures, dropping it . . .
The aging of the shell, the lining and the strap is the reason for replacing your helmet on a regular basis.
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It has been a long time since I have read the SNELL spec but I remember it focused on penetration on shock absorption. The helmet is a very complex system and thoroughly tested. If you make modifications, no matter how simple or innocent without testing, you are the test pilot. But so far it is allowed.
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Back in the 70,s with polycarbonate helmets, some types of paint did cause problems...
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I would suggest you don't paint them. When we inspect the fancy painted ones looking for the stickers inside it takes us a lot longer to be careful with them.
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'Scusa my CRS, did we not have a discussion on 2010 Snell Helmet availability a while ago that ended that they are not available officially until October ?
Whazzup with that ?
BW
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Steve,
May I suggest that you handle someone else's helmet as if it were your own?
DW
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Bob, I think that maybe perhaps -- SOME Snell 2010 helmets will not be available until October of this year, but others might be available sooner. Maybe, for instance, the M2010 (bike) helmets are out there now (I haven't shopped) but the SA2010 won't be out 'til October.
OK - clear as mud?
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The Snell cert's are good for 10 years, but I thought our rules also add the wording about 5 years from Mfg Date.
So a SA2005 is good till 2015, if you buy one now in 2010 weather a SA2005 or SA2010 you need a new one in 5 years anyway 2015 ? Correct.
The reason I ask is I need a new helmet that has the air intake for a cool system .
Charles
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Now the Snells are good for 10 years -- but that doesn't mean the rules will stay that way.
Stan
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Bob, I think that maybe perhaps -- SOME Snell 2010 helmets will not be available until October of this year, but others might be available sooner. Maybe, for instance, the M2010 (bike) helmets are out there now (I haven't shopped) but the SA2010 won't be out 'til October.
OK - clear as mud?
my new helmet is a HJC IS street helmet w/ snell 2010 on the inside???
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DW- I always do!
Steve
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Faded, the "real" Snell sticker is on the inside - usually under the soft liner fabric. You'll most likely have to dig and peer and look and use a flashlight and keep trying, you'll find it sooner or later if it's there. The past ones have been rotogravures -- that is, shiny "paper" that looks darn near like foil, and has the printing on it. You'll likely have a hard time reading it, too.
But that all contributes to the difficult in making copies and therefore "certifying" a non-legal helmet. Dig into the liner and report back, if you please, when you find the sticker. Tell us what it says, too, okay?