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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: Beairsto Racing on April 06, 2010, 01:55:19 AM
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I've often wondered if a factory side car outfit could compete in a production side car class? HD, Ural and others have produced side car bikes from the factory.
Would it be considered a new class or just an interpretation of the existing classes? I believe a new class requires SCTA approval and a minimum of 3 competitors. Obviously the motorcycles have more than enough classes now...just thinking out loud.
The side car / wheel on a stick debate has been entertaining but I don't recall seeing an actual full sized side car on the salt, other than a Ural. The Siberian Speed Team set a couple of records with a Ural (650 SC-PF 104.686mph), I was curious if they could have run in a production class if the bike was stock in appearance.
I have a '74 350 Jawa that was ordered from the factory with a Velorex side car, I have the documents and brochures. I have seen a scary top speed of 62mph (GPS) while drafting a mini van LOL. I would never run it on the salt because I'm sure it wouldn't live long at full throttle, but I've always wondered if it would run on an open record?
Scott
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I had a quick look around and didn't see a mention of a production sidecar class. I can only assume one doesn't exist. I suppose you oud petition the SCTA for a class. Stan Back, I'm sure, would back you on that.
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At one time prior to the 1990's SCTA/BNI had various classes within the sidecars..........BUT the SCTA/BNI
in their wisdom put them all together under SC (sidecars) and SCS (sidecar streamliners)....Of course it should be noted that at that point in time we were the only sidecars racing the salt (2 to 3 outfits)
As we all know "racers"? decited this was a great way to make "club points" at El Mirage, and now we have a whole group of "wheel on a sticks" competing, but very few make it to BNI Speedweek and the salt. However, at the annual BUB meet at Bonneville we have a very good sidecar turn out ( 11 in 2009)
you have the option of using a passenger or run with ballast as a "wheel on a stick" At this point BUB has only SC and SCS for classes with both paying a cash purse........but if enough interest is shown
a "production or street" class would certainly be considered.......and I may even put up some dollars for the fastest...
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What class(es) does the H-D Servicycle run in? Can you put a sidecar on it? A trailer? Convert to small-block Chevy?
Stan
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Thinking (something I don't do much) about it -- it may have less aero than a roadster.
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at 09 speedweek there were 179 motorcycle entries --12 were sidecar entries---and 12 sidecar records were broken ---as for my sidecar it has served me well --it has broken 9 records in 3 years of which only 2 were open records--it is legal for scta-fim-ama-ecta-drla-and any other land racing event there is--i ask ounce again not to refer to it as a wheel on a stick--thank you willie buchta
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Even with the Buell power this one probably wouldn't go too fast but it sure is pretty
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Willie --
12 records were broken -- or 12 records were set at SpeedWeek?
Stan
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stan 6 were broken and 6 were set ---i was in the first group willie buchta
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The SCTA requires a minimum platform (12" x 32") which is more than can be said for the F.I.M.
Genuine, 100% F.I.M. legal wheel on a stick.
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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2007-11-26
Genuine, 100% SCTA legal SIDECAR.
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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake), shot with Canon PowerShot A430 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+PowerShot+A430&make=Canon) at 2010-01-29
No more "wheel on a stick" baloney please.
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seriously, its a wheel on two sticks....
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Joe, If you look closely at the top photo you'll see a third stick.
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Main Entry: side·car
Pronunciation: \ˈsīd-ˌkär\
Function: noun
Date: 1903
1 : a car attached to the side of a motorcycle for a passenger
From Webster's, keyword here "PASSENGER"
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From Webster's, keyword here "PASSENGER"
Keyword "PASSENGER". Hmmmmm............................................
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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2010-04-08
I guess the above doesn't qualify as a "sidecar".
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Ye all are starting to sound like the roadster guys
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Pretty much the same. They don't carry passengers either. :-)
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good one bill :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D willie buchta
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How about wheel on a box !!
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How about calling it a wheel on a stick with a box on top attached to a boat anchor?
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OK........the man asked if there was a production sidecar class, at this point in time....NO.......................
Regarding the platform required for both SCTA/BNI and AMA (not required for FIM) that was included in the rules so at least it has a appearance of a "sidecar" and both SCTA/BNI and AMA Tech. people may ask to be shown that a person can ride on this platform in a kneeling position.............some of the "sidecar" racers were mounting the fuel tank and/or batt. on this platform and SCTA/BNI (Tom Evans)
said....NO way...
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Bob, I was dinged last year for having ballast (in the form of a car battery) on my platform. I had nowhere else for the battery so I mounted a platform above the battery. I was asked to demonstrate its ability to hold a passenger.
I'm disappointed not in the fact that the FIM doesn't require a passenger but that the required ballast can be placed ANYWHERE on the machine. Plus NO platform is required. If any sanctioning body should be decried as phony in regards to sidecars its the FIM. Go back and look at the history of the racing sidecar. Which for you Bob shouldn't be difficult as you are a big part of it. Up until the advent of the worms, racing sidecars were nothing more than a bare platform. The SCTA is carrying on that tradition of a platform for the passenger.