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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: Beairsto Racing on April 06, 2010, 01:55:19 AM

Title: Production Side Car??
Post by: Beairsto Racing on April 06, 2010, 01:55:19 AM
I've often wondered if a factory side car outfit could compete in a production side car class? HD, Ural and others have produced side car bikes from the factory.

Would it be considered a new class or just an interpretation of the existing classes? I believe a new class requires SCTA approval and a minimum of 3 competitors. Obviously the motorcycles have more than enough classes now...just thinking out loud.

The side car / wheel on a stick debate has been entertaining but I don't recall seeing an actual full sized side car on the salt, other than a Ural. The Siberian Speed Team set a couple of records with a Ural (650 SC-PF  104.686mph), I was curious if they could have run in a production class if the bike was stock in appearance.

I have a '74 350 Jawa that was ordered from the factory with a Velorex side car, I have the documents and brochures. I have seen a scary top speed of 62mph (GPS) while drafting a mini van LOL. I would never run it on the salt because I'm sure it wouldn't live long at full throttle, but I've always wondered if it would run on an open record?

Scott
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 01:13:40 AM
I had a quick look around and didn't see a mention of a production sidecar class.  I can only assume one doesn't exist.  I suppose you oud petition the SCTA for a class.  Stan Back, I'm sure, would back you on that.
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: bak189 on April 08, 2010, 11:31:14 AM
At one time prior to the 1990's SCTA/BNI had various classes within the sidecars..........BUT the SCTA/BNI
in their wisdom put them all together under SC (sidecars) and SCS (sidecar streamliners)....Of course it should be noted that at that point in time we were the only sidecars racing the salt (2 to 3 outfits)
As we all know "racers"? decited this was a great way to make "club points" at El Mirage, and now we have a whole group of "wheel on a sticks" competing, but very few make it to BNI Speedweek and the salt.  However, at the annual BUB meet at Bonneville we have a very good sidecar turn out ( 11 in 2009)
you have the option of using a passenger or run with ballast as a "wheel on a stick"  At this point BUB has only SC and SCS for classes with both paying a cash purse........but if enough interest is shown
a "production or street" class would certainly be considered.......and I may even put up some dollars for the fastest...
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Stan Back on April 08, 2010, 11:45:21 AM
What class(es) does the H-D Servicycle run in?  Can you put a sidecar on it?  A trailer?  Convert to small-block Chevy?

Stan
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Stan Back on April 08, 2010, 11:46:23 AM
Thinking (something I don't do much) about it -- it may have less aero than a roadster.
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: sheribuchta on April 08, 2010, 12:46:30 PM
at 09 speedweek there were 179 motorcycle entries --12 were sidecar entries---and 12 sidecar records were broken ---as for my sidecar it has served me well --it has broken 9 records in 3 years of which only 2 were open records--it is legal for scta-fim-ama-ecta-drla-and any other land racing event there is--i ask ounce again not to refer to it as a  wheel on a stick--thank you willie buchta
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Tzoom on April 08, 2010, 01:25:23 PM
Even with the Buell power this one probably wouldn't go too fast but it sure is pretty
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Stan Back on April 08, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
Willie --

12 records were broken -- or 12 records were set at SpeedWeek?

Stan
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: sheribuchta on April 08, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
stan  6 were broken and 6 were set ---i was in the first group                     willie buchta
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
The SCTA requires a minimum platform (12" x 32") which is more than can be said for the F.I.M.

Genuine, 100% F.I.M. legal wheel on a stick.
(http://)(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4097/img107dl7.jpg)
By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2007-11-26

Genuine, 100% SCTA legal  SIDECAR.

(http://)(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3637/img1480t.jpg)
By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake), shot with Canon PowerShot A430 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+PowerShot+A430&make=Canon) at 2010-01-29

No more "wheel on a stick" baloney please.
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: joea on April 08, 2010, 03:22:48 PM
seriously, its a wheel on two sticks....
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 03:52:01 PM
Joe,  If you look closely at the top photo you'll see a third stick.
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: ScottG on April 08, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
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Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Larry C on April 08, 2010, 04:25:46 PM
Main Entry: side·car
Pronunciation: \ˈsīd-ˌkär\
Function: noun
Date: 1903
1 : a car attached to the side of a motorcycle for a passenger

 From Webster's, keyword here "PASSENGER"

Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 05:54:29 PM

 From Webster's, keyword here "PASSENGER"



Keyword "PASSENGER".       Hmmmmm............................................

(http://)(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2945/bsam211.jpg)
By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2010-04-08

I guess the above doesn't qualify as a "sidecar".
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Glen on April 08, 2010, 06:17:34 PM
Ye all are starting to sound like the roadster guys
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Pretty much the same.  They don't carry passengers either. :-)
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: sheribuchta on April 08, 2010, 06:57:23 PM
good one  bill  :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D                                      willie buchta
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Larry C on April 08, 2010, 09:57:35 PM
How about wheel on a box !!
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 08, 2010, 10:39:15 PM
How about calling it a wheel on a stick with a box on top attached to a boat anchor?
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: bak189 on April 08, 2010, 11:18:08 PM
OK........the man asked if there was a production sidecar class, at this point in time....NO.......................
Regarding the platform required for both SCTA/BNI and AMA (not required for FIM) that was included in the rules so at least it has a appearance of a "sidecar" and both SCTA/BNI and AMA Tech. people may ask to be shown that a person can ride on this platform in a kneeling position.............some of the "sidecar" racers were mounting the fuel tank and/or batt. on this platform and SCTA/BNI (Tom Evans)
said....NO way...
 
Title: Re: Production Side Car??
Post by: Nortonist 592 on April 09, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
Bob,  I was dinged last year for having ballast (in the form of a car battery) on my platform.  I had nowhere else for the battery so I mounted a platform above the battery.  I was asked to demonstrate its ability to hold a passenger. 

I'm disappointed not in the fact that the FIM doesn't require a passenger but that the required ballast can be placed ANYWHERE on the machine.  Plus NO platform is required.  If any sanctioning body should be decried as phony in regards to sidecars its the FIM.   Go back and look at the history of the racing sidecar.   Which for you Bob shouldn't be difficult as you are a big part of it.  Up until the advent of the worms, racing sidecars were nothing more than a bare platform.  The SCTA is carrying on that tradition of a platform for the passenger.