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El Mirage => El Mirage Rules Questions => Topic started by: McRat on February 10, 2010, 01:30:54 PM
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There is a proposal to negate only the affected run if you make a typo on your entry form. Currently, if you make a typo you are done for the weekend. It would change to:
If you make a typo, you lose the run and points. You can re-register and re-tech correctly and take a second shot at it. But only if approved by the race director.
If I understand it right, this is how Bonneville works as well. If you screw up, you can re-register and try again.
Considering that there are over 1,000 classes with four unique alphanumeric codes for each class, and just one wrong digit can send you home for the weekend under the current rules, it could be argued that the most severe infraction you can commit at Elmo is not a safety violation, it's currently penmanship.
I doubt there are many people in this world that have not made a typo on a form. Racers aren't always English majors, so I doubt they are an exception either.
I hope I never get into a situation where this rule would affect me one way or another, but I'm often very high-strung when going through tech so I imagine given enough time this rule will eventually affect my efforts at a race someday no matter how much I wish otherwise.
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at bonneville and el mirage you have until you leave the startline to make a correction ----we usually tech the day before so that would give you 12 to 16 hours to make a correction with no penalty ---sheri and i have a 5 hour ride she usually does our paperwork on the trip -(dont ask) willie buchta
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Thanks Willie, I didn't know that. I should put "proofread registration" on the pre-race checklist. I thought once submitted it was done.
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First of all, it's moved per your request, Pat.
Second of all -- I know it's not always possible, but I try to get our paperwork filled out well before the event -- like at the dining room table before leaving home, or at least on the drive to the event. Another thing I do is circle or somehow mark the body and engine class that I'll run it - maybe all of the ones I MIGHT run in - so when I'm doing the paperwork I don't accidently put down the wrong one.
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thanks for the move! :cheers:
I just copy off an old sheet and double check the book.
But writing 468 instead of 486 and missing it on a proofread? I'd like to THINK that is impossible, but ...
A rulechange like this will probably affect new racers more than experienced racers, but I believe the proposal was made due to an "old salt" who screwed up.
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Are you dirt racers at Elmo really that silly about a simple typo? I'm sorry but it seems like your points competition really brings out the worst in people. At bonneville everybody is always ready to help out a fellow racer even if they are in the same class in my experience. Sure doesn't seem to be that way when points are involved at Elmo. Seems like everybody is always trying to get their fellow racer disqualifies instead for simple rules infractions. :oops:
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Are you dirt racers at Elmo really that silly about a simple typo? I'm sorry but it seems like your points competition really brings out the worst in people. At bonneville everybody is always ready to help out a fellow racer even if they are in the same class in my experience. Sure doesn't seem to be that way when points are involved at Elmo. Seems like everybody is always trying to get their fellow racer disqualifies instead for simple rules infractions. :oops:
Points only affect me for run order, and only if I remain under 200. Run order can be critical at Elmo, but I'd never begrudge someone a record so I can run a couple hours sooner.
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Get a rubber stamp made for both
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The way I read the proposal is it only applies if you have made a record run with the wrong data on your entry. Here is a copy of the proposal. Hope this clarifies everything.
Tom G.
2010 EMP changes-Proposed by the Super Fours
SEC V.-C. EMP :
Current EMP Reads -"No single vehicle may run in more than one class at one meet.........."
ADD:
THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION: Only in the case that a vehicle that has completed A SEEMING RECORD
QUALIFYING RUN, and has unintentionally FAILED record certification due to being entered in the
wrong class, may that same vehicle be un-entered and re-entered to run again at the same meet.
The process is accomplished by
-Re-registering using another number, and
- Paying another entry fee, and
- Using exactly the same physical vehicle and engine, and
- Complete standard class change re inspection, and
- Notify and obtain approval from race director
All data for the previous run will be made void. IE: no points, records, etc.
This situation will result in the vehicle's performance in that event not being eligible for the points
championship. ( Different entry number )
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Are you dirt racers at Elmo really that silly about a simple typo? I'm sorry but it seems like your points competition really brings out the worst in people. At bonneville everybody is always ready to help out a fellow racer even if they are in the same class in my experience. Sure doesn't seem to be that way when points are involved at Elmo. Seems like everybody is always trying to get their fellow racer disqualifies instead for simple rules infractions. :oops:
More like jerks, a good change :cheers:
JL222
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it doesnt have anything to do with silly--it has to do with the rules--at bonneville if you make a typo and leave the starting line you will have to pay a change of class fee (300 dollars) and go back through tech to get in the right class---at el mirage you cant change classes at one event--you can run but you cant set a record at that event period---i think it saves the argument later that " I KNOW THATS WHAT I WROTE BUT THATS NOT WHAT I MENT " just be careful and get it right the first time willie buchta
where are you guys getting the rules proposal changes from -------
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Board meeting last week.
If you think about it, the offender is still "punished", he gets no points, must pay double, probably loses 2 passes (tech and registration), and it doesn't affect the other racers. If he can go 209mph once, he can probably figure out how to go that fast or faster again. The only thing it does, is give him a shot at a record that event. And isn't that what it's all about? Seeing how fast you can trip the lights?
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hummm proposed by the "super fours" ya say..... interesting wording..... so if a competitor completes a qualifying run and unintentionally failed certification because he put "G" on his entry form and is found to have "alky" in his tank he can simply bypass Crucifixion and simply reenter..... I find it a bit interesting....
Kent
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Kent put his finger right on it---i think thats just the first test---there will be more before the event is over----------------------------------------------willie buchta
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hummm proposed by the "super fours" ya say..... interesting wording..... so if a competitor completes a qualifying run and unintentionally failed certification because he put "G" on his entry form and is found to have "alky" in his tank he can simply bypass Crucifixion and simply reenter..... I find it a bit interesting....
Kent
Not sure whether the Race Director would find that to be a valid typo or cheating. Tank sealing, and the two codes must not have matched, plus there isn't there a check box for fuel on top of the 2 codes and logbook entry?
If you have broken a record, you know which one, and what the speed required was. I don't think "accidently" writing the wrong fuel, aspiration, or cubic inches multiple times in 2 documents (log and reg) and claiming a record is going to fly as a simple mistake.
Besides, those willing to hide a bottle are going to do it no matter what is printed in a rulebook, then make up lies about it to try and get out of it.
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McRat you race in the diesal class---at el mirage there is no tank sealing in the gas class everyone is on the honor system---if you set a record your gas is checked-----------------willie buchta
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Are you dirt racers at Elmo really that silly about a simple typo? I'm sorry but it seems like your points competition really brings out the worst in people. At bonneville everybody is always ready to help out a fellow racer even if they are in the same class in my experience. Sure doesn't seem to be that way when points are involved at Elmo. Seems like everybody is always trying to get their fellow racer disqualifies instead for simple rules infractions. :oops:
Four of the six El Mirage meets are one day meets. The condition of the lakebed has not been good for the pas few seasons. One or two runs per day have been the norm. If you brought your Buell to El Mirage and entered it as engine size 205 instead of 207. Make a run. Woops! I entered it as a 250 instead of a 500. Silly me. Let me change it and run again. Oops I put the wrong frame number down. I need to run again. Play it right and you could run all day while everyone else gets one run to get it right. As to your quote. What a load of rubbish. You need to come to El Mirage and see how things work and people help each other.
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nortonist is right but if he tries to break sheris record i will have to slash his tires LOL willie buchta
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nortonist is right but if he tries to break sheris record i will have to slash his tires LOL willie buchta
Any tire but the front!! Too hard to find!
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The way I read the proposal is it only applies if you have made a record run with the wrong data on your entry. Here is a copy of the proposal. Hope this clarifies everything.
Tom G.
2010 EMP changes-Proposed by the Super Fours
SEC V.-C. EMP :
Current EMP Reads -"No single vehicle may run in more than one class at one meet.........."
ADD:
THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION: Only in the case that a vehicle that has completed A SEEMING RECORD
QUALIFYING RUN, and has unintentionally FAILED record certification due to being entered in the
wrong class, may that same vehicle be un-entered and re-entered to run again at the same meet.
The process is accomplished by
-Re-registering using another number, and
- Paying another entry fee, and
- Using exactly the same physical vehicle and engine, and
- Complete standard class change re inspection, and
- Notify and obtain approval from race director
All data for the previous run will be made void. IE: no points, records, etc.
This situation will result in the vehicle's performance in that event not being eligible for the points
championship. ( Different entry number )
I am really curious to know how the re-registering using another number works? Will the SCTA have a ready supply of numbers for the bumblers? Or will a quick call to Chuck Kalbach be necessary? Anyone got an idea how this will work?
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I really don't understand.
No, you will get LESS passes if you make a typo. You will have to wait in impound, go see the race director, go back to tech, go back to registration, while you would be running anyways if you didn't make the typo. It guarantees you LESS passes, not more. You can still run Time Only.
People who are worried that it will allow you to cheat without repercussions? Huh?
Current rules:
You make an honest typo. You lose all runs.
You cheat. You lie and say it's a typo. You lose all runs. You either get away with it or not under current rules.
Exactly what changes?
The only person ever affected by this proposed change is somebody who made an honest mistake, and broke a record. Nothing else is affected at all, not cheaters, not points chasing, not runs, not finances, nothing. In other words, it could only HELP you personally, it could never hurt you.
I'm puzzled. Am I missing part of the equation? :?
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actually a new number would put you at the very end of the line and you might not get another run ----
willie buchta
i think everyone understands the rule as is and it should stay as is---everyone just needs to be careful when you fill out your paperwork
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Am I seeing a simple solution to this?
When you go through tech, go over your documents with the tech inspector and have that individual confirm you're in the right class. (Get his/her signature for confirmation).
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Am I seeing a simple solution to this?
When you go through tech, go over your documents with the tech inspector and have that individual confirm you're in the right class. (Get his/her signature for confirmation).
That would be too easy... :roll:
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Am I seeing a simple solution to this?
When you go through tech, go over your documents with the tech inspector and have that individual confirm you're in the right class. (Get his/her signature for confirmation).
I can't put my finger on it but there is something fundamentally wrong with the above. Must be something about taking a little responsibility for your action. Its also not the tech inspectors job to ensure you are in the right class. They are there to check that your car/bike is safe. Not to grade your entry form.
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i wuz there for the vote.... SDRC had 3 votes "no" for the change but I'm pretty sure the proposed procedure passed anyhow...
Kent
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At Bonneville I asked Tom Evans to check a couple of things that had to do with legality in class and he was more than happy to look at my bike and tell me if it was legal or not.
Fred
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supposeably its not a matter of legality..... its about accommodating those who cant read or write :?
Kent
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Blame it on the LAUSD.
DW
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LAUSD. Whats that stand for? Lacking Ability to Understand Simple Directions?
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Los Angeles Unified School District
The rules must be made to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
DW
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Are you dirt racers at Elmo really that silly about a simple typo? I'm sorry but it seems like your points competition really brings out the worst in people. At bonneville everybody is always ready to help out a fellow racer even if they are in the same class in my experience. Sure doesn't seem to be that way when points are involved at Elmo. Seems like everybody is always trying to get their fellow racer disqualifies instead for simple rules infractions. :oops:
Four of the six El Mirage meets are one day meets. The condition of the lakebed has not been good for the pas few seasons. One or two runs per day have been the norm. If you brought your Buell to El Mirage and entered it as engine size 205 instead of 207. Make a run. Woops! I entered it as a 250 instead of a 500. Silly me. Let me change it and run again. Oops I put the wrong frame number down. I need to run again. Play it right and you could run all day while everyone else gets one run to get it right. As to your quote. What a load of rubbish. You need to come to El Mirage and see how things work and people help each other.
Please explain how you can make a run change class and make another run before anybody else?
JL222
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I guess in the future I'll keep my attempts at humor to myself.
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Nortonist,
Don't mind me, just being a smartass and pleasing myself.
DW
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the lowest common denominator.
DW
I thought that was the bike guys :-) But they never seem to have problem.