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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: BAILEIGH INC on December 29, 2009, 11:38:04 AM
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Hey guys,
It's Shane from Baileigh Industrial here in Wisconsin. As you know, we deal with the Hot Rod, Restoration, Off Road and all sorts of tube chassis crowds on a daily basis and would love to get a little more involved on the board and help out in our area of expertise.
We have a whole team of metal fabrication experts here and we specialize in tube bending and odd applications.
So, I will start this tube bending thread. If you have any questions about roll cages, bending tube or pipe, application issues, what wall thickness will work or not, wall thickness vs. center line Radius or what material will bend. Pretty much anything related to tube bending......ask away.
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Hi, Shane, and welcome to the Forum. I'm Jon, a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim -- the owner of this site. I appreciate your offer to talk about bending -- and might even offer to set you up your own topic, maybe even read-only. We'll think about it.
I want to let you know that I'm pretty firm about NOT letting folks advertise their stuff/services here without asking some kind of compensation to the site. I'm keeping ads to a minimum so the members can see material about how they do land speed racing -- build diaries, chat, and so on. I expect that some of your offerings will be valuable to us all -- just giving a note of "warning" that I will keep an eye on you (so to speak) and I'll get cranky if you turn into a blatant ad.
That said -- more than a few of our members have discussed bending in detail and I expect, therefore, that your information will be of interest to us. Have at it - and I hope that you're deluged with questions and relevant comments from hoi polloi.
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Hi, Shane, and welcome to the Forum. I'm Jon, a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim -- the owner of this site. I appreciate your offer to talk about bending -- and might even offer to set you up your own topic, maybe even read-only. We'll think about it.
I want to let you know that I'm pretty firm about NOT letting folks advertise their stuff/services here without asking some kind of compensation to the site. I'm keeping ads to a minimum so the members can see material about how they do land speed racing -- build diaries, chat, and so on. I expect that some of your offerings will be valuable to us all -- just giving a note of "warning" that I will keep an eye on you (so to speak) and I'll get cranky if you turn into a blatant ad.
That said -- more than a few of our members have discussed bending in detail and I expect, therefore, that your information will be of interest to us. Have at it - and I hope that you're deluged with questions and relevant comments from hoi polloi.
No problem, thanks.
....no worries. I am active on quite a few forums and offer my tube bending expertise to quite a few people. I'm here to help, so any questions tube bending, ask away.
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Ever wonder how much tube is consumed in a bend? Here a quick way to figure it out.
CLR (center line radius) x Degree of bend x .0175
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Any questions on bending aluminum? It can be tricky.....
(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv302/Baileigh_Industrial/DSC08609.jpg?t=1264777726)
(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv302/Baileigh_Industrial/DSC08615.jpg?t=1264777758)
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In ppst #4, first pic..would that bend successfully, if it were annealed?
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In ppst #4, first pic..would that bend successfully, if it were annealed?
Yes, you are correct. The lower the temper, the better the bend. The age of aluminum is also a factor. Old aluminum that has been sitting around for six months tends to "work harden" just by sitting on the shelf.
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Any good software to help plan out a chassis tube layout?
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The alloy is less a factor than the temper or hardness.
3003 H-14, for example, bends like a dream. So would 6061-0.
Hard to find on the market.
Burns Stainless -don't be mislead by the name - sells aluminum bends.
Know the business of tube bending well.
Check out their website and who they do business with.
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Any good software to help plan out a chassis tube layout?
Yes...
Bend Tech Pro software is also very popular with the guys who are just getting started. It makes tube bending simple by allowing you to design your roll cage, rock crawler, racecar or chopper frame right on your computer screen. After designing your project, just click a button, and it will print out a build sheet for each tube. Showing you how long to cut your tube, where to start and stop your bends. It also will print out a notching wrapper as well. These make notching the ends of your tube simple and accurate. Just cut the wrapper out with a pair of scissors, wrap it around the end of your tube, trace it with a sharpie marker and notch your tube. When you are done, you will have a bunch of tube laying on the ground that will be bent and notched that will fit together perfectly.
It works allot like Auto Cad and Solid Works, but it is made specifically for tube bending. It won't let you design something that is impossible to build in the real world like Auto Cad and SW will.
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This is really great information. When I was in the aerospace hydraulics test and structures lab I bent miles of tubing with a lot of different benders. The only thing was I didn't have to noch the ends. Flare or for the DC-10 & 11 it was all braced fittings. Having a noch template is neat. I have seen a couple of welders that use them. Great tech, thanks for sharing.Thanks Baieleigh 8-)
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Wow! The demo http://www.2020softwaresolutions.com/bt_pro.htm (http://www.2020softwaresolutions.com/bt_pro.htm) makes it look SO easy! :cheers:
Mike
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That link shows to have a Trojan within! :-o
Beware of opening that link. :?
Regards,
HB2 :-)
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That link shows to have a Trojan within! :-o
Beware of opening that link. :?
Regards,
HB2 :-)
Try this link http://www.bii1.com/benders/tube-bending-layout-software.php
I know quite a bit about the software, so if anyone has questions, I'm here to help.
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That link shows to have a Trojan within! :-o
Beware of opening that link. :?
Regards,
HB2 :-)
Strange! I have about several layers of protection starting with McAfee. Plenty good, no warnings, from my side.
Mike
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BTW,
My company applies a textured carbide coating to tube bending dies that stops the slippage that usually occurs during the initial bending process. This gives a more accurate bend placement and sometimes stops the breakage problem that occured in the above mentioned pic. I can't answer how or why. This is just the reports that I get back from customers. We do a lot of work for guys that bend a lot of chromoly as it tends to have more slippage problems. We also coat a lot of mandrel style bending dies.
I don't want this to sound like an advertisement so I'll stop now. Bottom line is that if you are having any slippage issues, we can usually help.
Rob
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BTW,
My company applies a textured carbide coating to tube bending dies that stops the slippage that usually occurs during the initial bending process. This gives a more accurate bend placement and sometimes stops the breakage problem that occured in the above mentioned pic. I can't answer how or why. This is just the reports that I get back from customers. We do a lot of work for guys that bend a lot of chromoly as it tends to have more slippage problems. We also coat a lot of mandrel style bending dies.
I don't want this to sound like an advertisement so I'll stop now. Bottom line is that if you are having any slippage issues, we can usually help.
Rob
Pm sent
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Just an unsolicited nod because one is due....
I bought a Baileigh RDB 50 from Shane about a year ago...very nice 3 speed manual bender, great service. :cheers:
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I have to agree while I don't have alot of tube bending experience I'm very pleased with my RDB-50. I have bent a total of about 8 bars now and only messed up one(totally operator error). That's not to bad considering the lack of talent by the operator.
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I have to agree while I don't have alot of tube bending experience I'm very pleased with my RDB-50. I have bent a total of about 8 bars now and only messed up one(totally operator error). That's not to bad considering the lack of talent by the operator.
What are you building?
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I am building a 55 ford to run in production class. I will run mostly at Maxton NC. The plan is to work out some bugs this year and head out west to the salt in 2011. We won't be very competitive in terms of our class record but, I think it will still be impressive to see what we can run with factory block and heads that are over 50 year old. I have been very happy with my bender it make other manual bender I have used look like toys. I have a build diary on here and this is a link to my photobucket account. Thanks Sam
http://s759.photobucket.com/home/slg1992002
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Okay -- I need a helper. We're in the process of sourcing parts for a new exhaust system for my pickup -- and the missing piece now is an elbow in 4" tube. No, I don't have the dimensions -- but will as soon as I visit the shop. Anybody got some pipe that'll work for my exhaust? Thanks in advance.
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Slim, try SPD Specialty Products at 1-888-778-3312 or specpro@msn.com they are located at 11252
Sunco Drive, Rancho Cordova, CA, 95742.........Tube forming from 1.00" to 5.00" OD or beyond if needed.
UPS no problem....fast service
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Okay -- I need a helper. We're in the process of sourcing parts for a new exhaust system for my pickup -- and the missing piece now is an elbow in 4" tube. No, I don't have the dimensions -- but will as soon as I visit the shop. Anybody got some pipe that'll work for my exhaust? Thanks in advance.
Slim...try stainlessheaders.com there in Barnsville MN, I just bought my header flanges from them and I just checked there site and they have 4in u bends, they might be closed on monday's though as they just went to 4...10 hr days.
JL222
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Slim,
Any truck supply place can supply you with inexpensive/low cost bends. In Billings, I use Galles Filters. They have any number of smooth mandrel bends. They also have the nice band clamps for hoses, and v-clamps for turbo use. All high quality stuff.
Doug :cheers:
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http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p1902.m570.l1313&_nkw=4+inch+mandrel&_sacat=See-All-Categories
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I'm trying SPD Specialty Products. I'll let you know how well they take care of my request. All this hassle for what'll probably be a minimal gain -- but what the heck, no one can live with a factory stock exhaust, right?