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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: 1212FBGS on August 31, 2005, 11:39:30 PM
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Has anyone ever set a car and bike record with the same vehicle?
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The simplistic answer would be No - a car is a car (four or more wheels) and a bike is a bike (two wheels, unless a sidecar with three).
The closest to this feat would be the late Jim Fueling, whose front wheel drive car streamliner had what amounted to a single rear wheel fitted and then ran as a three wheeler. This meant it was a 'cyclecar' and came under bike rules and regulations. He achieved LSA records in both configurations and SCTA car records too I believe.
A biker in the UK had planned a turbine powered car streamliner that could be adapted overnight to become a bike, but Alex MacFadzean never completed the build, which was reported in Motorcycle News.
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Derek McLeish has set both car and motorcycle records with the same vehicle. Sidecar configuration for the bike records, four wheel lakester configuration for the car record set at Speedweek.
Warner
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What about that KB 2, or what ever it is/was? Did it set records?
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The streamlined bike that Vesco established his records with was converted to a car (SkyTracker) by putting an extra aluminum tire on each side. It had the Offy engine. He never had a record with it as a car but he did have a record crash, even for him. A great foto of him on crutches and wearing a leg cast and a pile of crushed metal made it in a national magazine.
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Al's car front half shape came from a Norton liner.
While speed has not been perfected yet, it is often HP per SQ in.
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What about that KB 2, or what ever it is/was? Did it set records
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John Bjorkman's streamliner fell down as a bike. Came back as a car and put John into the Dirty Two club.
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What about a T-bucket on a back motored lakester, is that a Mod Roadster ?
Oh wait, that's not a bike, NEVERMIND.
I had the lid closed on the box when I was inide and it came to mind.
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so it sounds like derric has been the only vehicle to do it! Cool! He set records last year as a bike and this year as a car. My thoughts were that I could set a record with my bike liner, switch the front and rear to straight axles in less than 2 hours and set a record as a car. I could probably do it at the world finals. Dependa if the wife will let me come out and play.
Kent
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so it sounds like derric has been the only vehicle to do it! Cool! He set records last year as a bike and this year as a car. My thoughts were that I could set a record with my bike liner, switch the front and rear to straight axles in less than 2 hours and set a record as a car. I could probably do it at the world finals. Dependa if the wife will let me come out and play.
Kent
Can't you just leave a note of when you will get back on the way out the door? I do that.
I found its better to ask forgiveness then to ask permission
Jon
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your a brave man!
kr
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"It is better to just do it and let them figure it out after you did it than let them get a head start on figuring how to stop you in their tracks."
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How about Craig Breedlove and Spirit of America?
His 1963 outright World Land Speed Record wasn't recognised by the FIA as at that time they only recognised wheel driven vehicles. But the FIM recognised it as it complied with their rules for a three wheeler or sidecar. Then the FIA introduced a new category for jet cars so his 1964 records were recognised as car records.
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3 wheels in contact with the ground has always been a 3 wheeled cycle, not a car with 4 or more.
A side car and a cycle car are another definition again but still only 3 wheels..
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Be that as it may, I always thought that the FIA recognised Breedlove's 1964, and later, records. but I may be wrong.
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Probably correct as the 'jet unlimited' class did not seem to have any particular rules.
However the Breedlove vehicle never had more than three wheels to my understanding of history and so should never have come under the jurisdiction of the FIA. This was just a case of the FIA trying to prevent the FIM (whose rules allowed thrust power) from having control of the outright land speed.
Now as a three wheeler is not a 'bike' I do not think anyone has achieved the feat postulated at the outset of this thread - a record as a bike and a car. Now there is a challenge for someone .....
I would suggest that the next outright supersonic record might only be achieved by a vehicle running under regulations of the FIM.
Malcolm
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The number of wheels in contact with the ground to tell the difference between a car and a bike was
established with the FIA and FIM in the beginning and has always been very clear.
A vehicle of any motive power may simply fit a split wheel to establish the count and not change the aero .
The "Sky Tracker" for example had 5 wheels.
You can call it anything you want, after all it is your PR machine to do with as you please.
The stability of the rules make it real and the speeds have not been perfected yet.
(Enter the Hot Rodder).
ENJOY
OBTW: The SCTA club record is 229 by a Lakster and Jim Feuling set records as both a car and a bike.