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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Johntsi on September 20, 2009, 07:33:52 PM
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Well after Keith calling me a BMW guy for getting in the wrong side of the truck to paint lines and helping Reichen pit the evo for a few years I figure its time to build one for myself. Originally it was just to run in BFSS, but I swapped the stock tank back in to run in PS too. I figured I would post a few pics.
I will start with the shell
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For the mile of course I had to swap on some Drag radials
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Next its onto building a motor, half filled 2 liter, Custom 9.5:1 Wiseco HDs, RNR aluminum rods, ARP L19 head studs
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Lightly ported and oringed head, FP5r intake and fp11 exhaust cams, Kiggly springs, MLS head gasket
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Ptt twin disc
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Magnus Drag intake manifold (Thanks Marco!), Shearer fab exhaust manifold, gt4202R, twin tial gates, 3.5" exhaust (still a work in process)
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3.5" DSS driveshaft
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Solid front roll stop, New ball joints, sway bars, sway bar links, prothane bushings throughout
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Coil on plug, Magnus fuel rail, Afco radiator, Aeromotive regulator
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Stock tank back in, aeromotive proseries pump, dss stage 5 rear axles.
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Pics of intercooler pre-install
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Core is a 4.5" Garrett core, big thanks to Ron and the rest of the crew at Shearer Fabrications.
Got the intercooler on the car and pipes cut.
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Car has a 10 pt cage in it now but I think there are some modifications I will need to make to make it legal. Still have some wiring, chute mount, EMS, plumb the fuel system, door net (replace window net) more safety equipment, and odds and ends to tie up. Roof rails are what are gonna hurt my feelings the most at this point. Hope to have the car ready for hot rod next year. Engine should make around 1000awhp so we should have some fun with it next year.
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Looks beautiful, nice work. See you out there in April? -Dean
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AH OH!!!! This could get really ugly in april. :-D
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Thanks for the kind words.
Ugly, hah, more like fun, cannot have Mike having all the fun anymore.
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Cool build diary, good luck !!
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very cool
terry
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Although policing of such stuff is somewhat lax, 4 wheel drive is only allowed in special construction and Production categories. By definition, fuel is not allowed in Production so you are limited to gasoline (ie can't run blown fuel). Going up in engine class is allowed but limits are to C engine size also (production supercharged). I don't know your car but if didn't have stock blower, you are then GC (non- stock supercharger) and 4 wheel drive not legal there. Having said that, not sure how Mr Reichen managed AA runs etc. Anyway, looks like a nice build and gonna go fast regardless. Have fun. :-D
And having been the butt of some of his stuff you for sure have to watch out for Keith and what he calls you. :-P :cheers:
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It is a factory turbo car, hence the production supercharged class.
It will run BG in production, it will also be able to run in Blown Fuel Super Street - /BFSS and Blown Gas Super Street - /BGSS per the ECTA rules. Car runs on VP c16/q16 or VP Import, and at Maxton you can bring in sealed drums and pay them to pouR it in and run in gas. As far as moving up in engine sizes the ECTA allows moving up to any catagory last I checked limiting to C is a Boneville rule.
Any of the Maxton guys feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but these are the classes we have run the evo in for years now.
Terry, whats up man, hows that truck doing. Always enjoy speaking to you when Reichen and myself are there.
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No problem with the gasoline as far as I know and with the SS categories as well. Have at it! But Production supercharged only has classes, by definition, to C engine size. Yes, can run any engine category higher than your displacement. I was just sort of wondering if can call it AA etc if class rules don't have that class. Course, you didn't say you were going to do that so don't take me wrong. I probably misunderstood your first post indicating "BF" and not thinking about the SS classes. Anyway, car looks great, nice build and I am all for going fast.
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I see whee I could have confused it a bit so I edited the original post.
Riechen's AA records where in SS not production though.
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I see whee I could have confused it a bit so I edited the original post.
Riechen's AA records where in SS not production though.
Correct no class for alwd
terry
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This seems like the car to build. What you got looks great! Good luck.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Been busy with some other projects and some drag events with the other cars. Should be back at it hard on this car the begining of the month.
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Great car but I don't remember giving you the keys to my camper so how did it get in the second photo! :?
Guess I am not the only one with a Leprachaun 305 mid-bath if that is what I think it is. My 1999 stays at the Lumberton campground these days due to the generator being uncooperative. Well that and I have gotten used to staying there.... :cheers:
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WOW!!
Looks great!!
Walt
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Nice GSX. :cheers: Maybe I'll see you at the SO as well.
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I don't know anything about cars. What was the car originally, a Toyota Supra?
What year?
Obviously this is not your first automotive project...?
Really nice work. This is probably the first post I have ever made regarding a car, so please excuse my ignorance.
Please keep us posted. I can't wait to see you run in March/April. I do motorcycle tech there, but may have to take a break and watch while Joe tech's this so I can learn and drool.
Walt
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/\ Ist a 1st gen Eagle Talon, looks like a 92-94. That would be alot of work putting the engine in the wrong way like that in a supra!
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Like Grant pointed out it is a 1992 Talon. And no this is not my first car project ;).
Thanks for all the kind words, car had been pt on hold for a while since things got hectic at work and with the family but it should still be ready for hotrod.
Got the battery kit installed, Throttle body and a few other minor projects finished.
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can't wait to see it run.
terry
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That is looking good, even to my untrained eye.
Walt
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John, I presume Mike and yourself will be there in April for the HRM Top Speed Challenge ... will your car be too ?
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My plan is to have this car there to start making licensing passes, but having to start at the bottom and knowing what the crowds are like at that event I am not sure I will get to make a full power pass. We should both be there unless something happens to one of us and try to take the title back with one of the cars.
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That build looks like something out of a magazine!
I will make sure I meet you in April and get to see it in person. I will be teching bikes, so if I forget and you have a moment, please grab me across the way when you are in car tech if you can.
Yes it is a tough meet to get many runs in. If you can get teched Friday night, and get there first thing in the morning on Saturday that helps. And if you get right back in line after a run, or have a support vehicle hold your place right away, you may be able to get three runs in on Saturday (provided none of you four-wheelers oil down the track too many times! :) ).
A lot of people blow up Saturday, or go home, but usually you can get four runs on Sunday, IMHO, using the above method as well.
I don't know what the licensing runs are for cars, but assuming you show up all tuned and ready to go, you might be able to get all your licensing done Saturday, leaving all Sunday for some full power passes.
I hope this helps,
Walt
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Licensing runs for cars is 125 150 175 200.
Depending on the tecj mph of the car.
By the way cool car.
Look forward to seeing at Maxton.
Robbie
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Yeah Walt, it does seem to be cars a lot but the two oil downs during HRM last year were bikes. Strange--but true, sadly. Be great to see you back!
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provided none of you four-wheelers oil down the track too many times! :)
Walt, I seem to recall that bikes blow up and oil down too ...
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cars hold more oil
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My plan is to have this car there to start making licensing passes, but having to start at the bottom and knowing what the crowds are like at that event I am not sure I will get to make a full power pass. We should both be there unless something happens to one of us and try to take the title back with one of the cars.
have you ever driven at other venues? Some sanctions over look rookie runs or liscensing if you have a lot of experience. :?
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Yeah Walt, it does seem to be cars a lot but the two oil downs during HRM last year were bikes. Strange--but true, sadly. Be great to see you back!
provided none of you four-wheelers oil down the track too many times! :)
Walt, I seem to recall that bikes blow up and oil down too ...
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LOL, yes the bikes do blow up and oil down too, and I forgot about the bike oil-downs during the HRM event last year.
I just couldn't resist a friendly dig at you car guys. :-)
I do believe that MOST of the oil downs at Maxton have been car related, however, and by a wide margin.
I never thought of it before, but I wonder why that is? We seem to have the same amount of bikes as cars racing.
Walt
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My plan is to have this car there to start making licensing passes, but having to start at the bottom and knowing what the crowds are like at that event I am not sure I will get to make a full power pass. We should both be there unless something happens to one of us and try to take the title back with one of the cars.
have you ever driven at other venues? Some sanctions over look rookie runs or liscensing if you have a lot of experience. :?
There is a reason for licensing passes, especially at Maxton where the run up has a bend and the shut down has a bend and the track can be rough at spots. Making the short shut down takes getting on the brakes fast, chute out as needed. At 200+ things happen quickly. Though total hearsay to me (and therefore I may be wrong) a recent incident might have been contributed to by ignoring such recommendations> :cry:
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Some sanctions over look rookie runs or licensing if you have a lot of experience. :?
The ECTA is not one of them.
Racing at Maxton requires attendance at the Rookie Orientation, Drivers Meeting and successfully performing Licensing Runs.
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Some sanctions over look rookie runs or licensing if you have a lot of experience. :?
The ECTA is not one of them.
Racing at Maxton requires attendance at the Rookie Orientation, Drivers Meeting and successfully performing Licensing Runs.
Hey, it happens and maybe accidently overlooked because of who it was, but usually when you have never run at El Mirage regarless of prior experience you are supposed to be in the rookie line and make liscencing passes. Instead they were promoted to the 200 mph line without ever raced there previously, and yes they have raced at Maxton. :-D
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I would never recommend or condone anyone going 200 mph right off the trailer, at a track they have never been to before, regardless of who they are or where they have run previously.
Just call me a safety nut ...
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I'll say it once again -- Nancy and I attend the rookie orientation at Maxton once a year or so. Safety is CHEAP! We also drive the long course at Bonneville -- which is almost superfluous for us since we've usually spent the preceding few days chasing all over the salt, including down all of the courses a bunch of times, helping set up the place and, of course, spotting the porta-potties when they arrive. It still is cheap to take that one run down the course to look for things worth noting at slow speeds -- so we know where they are at race speeds.
As for oil-downs -- I think that the honor of the all-time longest oil-down at Maxton goes to Bill Warner last year. He was on a bike at the time.
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Bill probably does have the record, but last year was marked by some real challengers for the title. John's idea for the spreader was a good one--perfect width for car tires. Maybe someone will donate a roll-a-tape and we can establish a true bike and car record.
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I would never recommend or condone anyone going 200 mph right off the trailer, at a track they have never been to before, regardless of who they are or where they have run previously.
Just call me a safety nut ...
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I'm with you. What I heard was, make a 125 pass. Was clocked over 190!
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I agree,
each track/course etc has it's own challenges. I don't care what sanctioning body or license you hold,,, for your first ever (or in a long time) run down a course, I would at least want you to stay BELOW 150mph and go long to see the entire course and shutdown areas. After that it would be up the powers that be to allow you to run all out or limit your second pass to 175.
Just my opinion... but even if I was allowed to go full out on my first pass at a strange track,,, I would Not,,, I would take my own advice above.
FYI- Even though I know the course at Maxton, my first pass in April (after our winter layoff) is a "shakedown" pass...Just to make sure... Better safe than sorry.
Charles
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bv at el mirage every new rider -driver has to run out of the rookie lane and run under 150 the first run--after that you can stay in the rookie lane and license up or move to another lane ---but you cant go to the 200 mph lane until you have ran 200 from one of the other 3 lanes ---thats the rule---ive always been told -thats what a j foyt would have to do if he shows up at el mirage ---i would like to know who you are talking about and why that was allowed to happen--------------------willie buchta
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bv at el mirage every new rider -driver has to run out of the rookie lane and run under 150 the first run--after that you can stay in the rookie lane and license up or move to another lane ---but you cant go to the 200 mph lane until you have ran 200 from one of the other 3 lanes ---thats the rule---ive always been told -thats what a j foyt would have to do if he shows up at el mirage ---i would like to know who you are talking about and why that was allowed to happen--------------------willie buchta
Not sure if you are talking about my post? "Allowed to happen". As I understand it, person was told to make a 125 pass. Was subsequently clocked over 190. Can't control the guy if won't do as told.
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bv at el mirage every new rider -driver has to run out of the rookie lane and run under 150 the first run--after that you can stay in the rookie lane and license up or move to another lane ---but you cant go to the 200 mph lane until you have ran 200 from one of the other 3 lanes ---thats the rule---ive always been told -thats what a j foyt would have to do if he shows up at el mirage ---i would like to know who you are talking about and why that was allowed to happen--------------------willie buchta
Willie, I am well aware of the proceedures. I have been racing there since 89 and am part of the 2 club since 90. You can get in the 200 line if the race directors let's you, but if you have never driven there then you are supposed to go through the rookie line and make licsense passes. In this case it didn't happen, I'm not going to name names, call Creel maybe he will tell you or someone else here might. :cheers:
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I've been at Maxton when a new driver makes his licensing pass -- or maybe it was in a car that was safety-equipped for 135 mph -- and he ran a much higher speed. It's amazing to see how fast Kieth Turk can get to long shutdown to "take the driver to the woodshed".
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im just a bottom feeder bike guy--it would do me no good to ask i dont know the password or the secret hand shake --i go to el mirage to race -see my friends-camp out-and take pics for my club the gear grinders www.thegeargrinders.com (http://www.thegeargrinders.com) sheri and i host the web site where there are over 1000 pics of bonneville and el mirage ---if you dont see your pic there e-mail it and we will post it or any thing else ( nonpolitical ) and we will post it --- thanks------- please have a safe holiday willie buchta
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Not sure if you are talking about my post? "Allowed to happen". As I understand it, person was told to make a 125 pass. Was subsequently clocked over 190. Can't control the guy if won't do as told.
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I hope it was his last pass. A first pass should never be over 150 mph.
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Not sure if you are talking about my post? "Allowed to happen". As I understand it, person was told to make a 125 pass. Was subsequently clocked over 190. Can't control the guy if won't do as told.
I hope it was his last pass. A first pass should never be over 150 mph.
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no, I'm sure it wa my post that turned this thread sideways and I appologise for it. Thought Turk might be a little forgiving if there was some prior Racing experience. :cheers:
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Ted and Bville,
Not sure what you guys are talking about ....as in "hoping" it was someones "last pass"
There are at least 2 meanings to "last pass" you may be thinking about one meaning but some could read into it as the other meaning.. ???
I have seen both types of last passes and I would hope neither on any fellow racer...
Charles
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I hit quote and it didn't quote the whole statement. My statement begins with no. :cheers:
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Thanks Bville,,, these boards are informative and fun and provide a great service to all of us,,, but on occasion our text can be taken differently than we meant. Thanks for the clarification,,, I did not mean to act like the web police,,, lol
Charles
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On a lighter note, everywhere I ran, I was told to go all out on my first pass! Oh wait a second, that might have something to do with running a Miata and a production Ninja 500! :-P
By the way, I found a big heavy box on my porch tonight. Looks like I have the new 'lowered' control arms for the Dakota in house now! Happy Holidays!
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Meanwhile - back to the original thread -
Johnsti
Bring the car out, take rookie orientation on Friday, etc., etc., like was said somewhere above and dial it in with the Lic runs. After seeing Mike's Evo run I can't wait to see your's . . . .
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Hah, somewhere this thread broke and axle and headed hard right tward the wall.
I am not upset about making the passes, I know the reason for them and couldn't agree more. I was just saying after being at the last 3 hot rod events with Mike, realistically I didn't think I would get enough runs in to go all out. I will have the car well tested at the drag strip and dyno before I take it to Maxton in hopes to work out some of the bugs I know will pop up. I assuredly don't hope to take the oil down record away ;).
I have been racing these cars for a long time and there is no way in hell I would want to try to go full bore the first time down the track no matter how many times I may have been down it. My only worry is the factory speedo tops out at 145 and at those speeds at the drag strip has been prone not to be very accurate. I just hope not to get kicked out for going to fast by Keith unintentionally. I am not dumb enough to go 200 on a 150 pass but if I do 160 or so it won't be because I meant to.
On a side note more parts arrived in boxes this week, time to make some more progress on the sled.
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John, on my first licensing pass(125-150) I had the tach marked at what I knew was 150, when I got going down the track I realized I didnt have to go 150, ended up 132+. Basically did the same on the next run,162 or so. You dont have to go to the top speed of that license, just in a range.
Fred
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As far a speed control for licensing goes, be wary of using GPS if you have a lot of power on tap. You can gain a lot of MPH before the GPS responds, and lose a bunch too. It only takes a few seconds to change speed 25mph either way. I end up having to focus on the GPS instead of the track and "chase" it. RPM is the best way if you know what gear you're in, and have done your math. (that might sound silly, but I run a six-speed automatic that "lies" on the gear indicator display). GPS is a good secondary system.
Probably the most clever thing would be either finding a gear that won't go past tech speed, or using a rev limiter. IMO, it's better to focus on what the car is doing than to be looking at gauges.
Now if you are running in a class with an open record, you are going to want to get as close to your tech speed as is possible, without going over much. Usually you are given a couple MPH leeway up top, but never count on it. That way if you have a problem or the event gets cut short, you still set a record. Every pass is potentially your last run of the event. I use both RPM and GPS when I have to get close.
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. . . . My only worry is the factory speedo tops out at 145 and at those speeds at the drag strip has been prone not to be very accurate. . . .
Suggestion - ignore speedo, use tach instead.
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A humble attitude and a cold diet coke PROBABLY will get a 5 mph cushion from Keith. A wake-up call from Greg Neal (roadracer) will get you an early spot on the start line grid. Plan to be up about oh, 4:30 am.
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I hope I bought some Brownie points from Keith by helping repaint the line down the track last April with Reichen.
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On my car GPS lagged about 5 mph at the timing line. Noticed it couldn't keep up under acceleration.
As far a speed control for licensing goes, be wary of using GPS if you have a lot of power on tap. You can gain a lot of MPH before the GPS responds, and lose a bunch too. It only takes a few seconds to change speed 25mph either way. I end up having to focus on the GPS instead of the track and "chase" it. RPM is the best way if you know what gear you're in, and have done your math. (that might sound silly, but I run a six-speed automatic that "lies" on the gear indicator display). GPS is a good secondary system.
Probably the most clever thing would be either finding a gear that won't go past tech speed, or using a rev limiter. IMO, it's better to focus on what the car is doing than to be looking at gauges.
Now if you are running in a class with an open record, you are going to want to get as close to your tech speed as is possible, without going over much. Usually you are given a couple MPH leeway up top, but never count on it. That way if you have a problem or the event gets cut short, you still set a record. Every pass is potentially your last run of the event. I use both RPM and GPS when I have to get close.
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My GPS was less than 1 mph off at the finish line.
In June I went .3 mph over my tech limit and Keith tore me a new one in my log book,,,, Just kidding,, all was good. Keith took his time and "advised me" on what upgrades I needed to get teched to the next level.
I did everything he adviced me on ....plus more,,, my trip back to tech in October was actually fun..I was teched to the next level no problem,,, I learned allot over the last few years and hope all of that will pay off when I take the Stude to tech in April,,, Hope to pass the 200mph tech on the very first try.
Oh,, back to the topic of this post !!! Man I can't wait to see this bad arse lil thing run the mile,,, it looks wicked fast.
Keep up the good work and keep us posted.
Charles
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The biggest tec issue I am wrestling with are the roof rails. I really don't want them permanent and I cannot figure a good way to attach them so they are not yet that would make them work sideways at 200mph and not come off.
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The biggest tec issue I am wrestling with are the roof rails. I really don't want them permanent and I cannot figure a good way to attach them so they are not yet that would make them work sideways at 200mph and not come off.
Firstly why wouldnt you want roof rails on all the time!!!
(they look sweet)
Secondly if you want to make a removable rail (just a suggestion on how I would do it)
Pull the headliner and drill 3 small holes where the rails will go, hard tack nuts to the bottom side of the roof. This will give tapped holes that you can bolt the rails on and off. When the rails are off you can use a machine screw with o ring and-or make color keyed caps.
THis is how I would do it.
Good luck
~JH
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Good suggestions.
December sucks for working on a project. Been busy working on Santa stuff (3 little girls), however parts are stacking up. Thing should move fast in Jan.
On a side note, I am thinking of installing 3 nozzles for fire suppression in the engine bay. One up top at the firewall over the intake manifold/fuel injectors/valve cover, one over the exhaust manifold and the 3rd underneath pointing at the oil pan/downpipe. Is that adequate or is there a better setup.
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3 Nozzels seems fine. FireFox and other manufactures ,, suggest 2 or 3,,, so you should be OK,,,
Make sure the nozzelz are near the front, so agent sprays from front of engine bay towards firewall,, this was any air under hood while moving will not disrupt or limit the effectivness of the agent you are using.
What will you be using ?
Charles
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Right now I have one firefox system and 1 safecraft halon system. Have not decided if I will use both or order another firefox system. One system for under the hood and one for in the car of course.
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So you don't go faster than your license allows check out www.f-body.org/gears/ Plug in your tire size, ring gear ratio, transmission gearing and this site will give your theoretical speed at rpm and top speed. USE YOUR TACH to indicate your speed! Good luck and be safe!
See you from the timing tower!!!
John
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John,
I have personally seen the driver of a car violate his licensing run. I was holding his timing slip (impound Monitor duty) and Keith snatched it away and as the culprit came into impound, and he was invited to take a ride in Keith's truck, I don't think they were evaluating his sound system.
There is plenty of time to make the ultimate run, I can't wait to see another Mitsubishi take a record at Maxton. Maybe pick up a few pointer's on the truck. No, I won't convert to a 4G63, I'm 4G64 all the way.
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Mike, did you get the clutch and motor sorted out yet ?
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Hey Mike, you get the truck sorted out? Look forward to seeing you out there again.
I too have seen Keith have to "speak to" people who broke the rules, one guy in particular who just posted for using the highway outside the gates as a test track ;).
Reichen, shouldn't you be working on the evo or as usual you gonna wait until the week before you are supposed to be here so we spend most of our time fixing stuff instead of racing? :evil: :cheers:
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I think I have it all working. Set the record at Speedweek and broke the Transmission in the process, had to finish in 4th (all I had left) gear. Got that fixed and now I'm trying to find a coolant leak after I got everything back together. I think it's the T'stat Housing or the Hose. Too cold to work in the garage right now, especially with water....
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Breaking is ok as long as you set the record in the process, look forward to seeing you at maxton again this year.
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With 3 months to go until Maxton I just scheduled several weeks off in the begining of March to make sure I wrap this up. I will post some more progress pics later, seat is in, more safety equipment has been finished and installed as well.
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Well from the way you tell it at least 1 car(yours ) will be done so we should be good to go.
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Well from the way you tell it at least 1 car(yours ) will be done so we should be good to go.
We both know you won't start working on the car until a week before you have to leave for Maxton and we will run into 12 problems at the track before we get to make the first god pass because of it ;).
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he was invited to take a ride in Keith's truck,
O that must have been a ride :-o.I don't want to ride in the truck . Please don't make me get in the truck.
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After getting pissed and not being happy with some of the rewire, I ended up ordering a 12 circuit drag harness with switch box kit from painless, didn't hurt they are doing $100 rebate on them right now. I have some heavy time schedueled to finish the fuel system and wiring next week. Should be getting much closer to being ready for the dyno soon.
On a side note, production supercharged says you have to have wipers. That just means linkage and motor right? I certainly don't want the arms and blades on at the speeds I hope to be seeing. Also about the radiator in that class when it says stock, it means stock location not a stock radiator right?
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You must have a radiator and in the stock location. The way I understand it you may use an aftermarket replacement as long as you put it where the stock on was and in the same orientation.
Charles
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That is what I had hoped, thanks.
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You must have a radiator and in the stock location. The way I understand it you may use an aftermarket replacement as long as you put it where the stock on was and in the same orientation.
Charles
Exactly !!!
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I've raced Production and Blown Gas Coupe at WOS, ECTA, and LTA. Here is my unofficial take: As long as "stuff" is mounted in the OEM postion with a piece that is reasonably OEM like, then it's o.k. Were there are questions is when "stuff" is present that wasn't available for that model year OR "stuff" not mounted in the OEM position and especially when aero "stuff" isn't exactly like stock. However, there is one rule that I do believe that does need some clarification: 5.E.1 paragraph 2' " The vehicle will be unaltered in height,..."
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Ransom,,, I think that means Body height,,,Like Chopping the Top,,, not like lowering ride ride height ? But then again I may be wrong,,, thats why I am in the Altered Class :)
Charles
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Ransom,,, I think that means Body height,,,Like Chopping the Top,,, not like lowering ride ride height ? But then again I may be wrong,,, thats why I am in the Altered Class :)
Charles
you are correct.
terry
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i think thats right, for production class. we run classic production, lowering is ok, no top chopin.then it goes to comp coup.
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You guys are correct, the rule has to do with body height (e.g. chopping or channeling), rather than any lowering of the body in relationship with the ground (e.g. suspension).
:wink:
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Steve, Terry and Robbie,,, Man I am glad we all agree :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
"I love it when a plan comes together"
Charles
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All the tec guys following along, I am hoping I can make this thing work in production supercharged so any potential issues you may see with that please lay them out so I can attempt to address them before I arrive at the airstrip.
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Finished the plumbing for the fuel system and all the AN vac lines. I forgot how much of a pain in the butt working with -4 could be until yesterday. Now to decide what injectors I am going to run since PS doesn't allow E98 I have to switch back to Import.
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Well with E98, I would think your running a big injector already....1100+, wouldn't you just shorten the duty cycle and keep the fatties?
Mind you I'm not a Tuner god or anything.... I'm running a 880's and 110 octane on the Truck..and I run fat because I've leaned out an engine, costly....
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I have 2150cc injectors for e98, however the 2150s don't work with import because of the additive in it.
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Sounds like you need a quick change Fuel Rail, 2150's is what, a -8 fuel line to each cylinder :-D
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Injectors are easy to change in a DSM, it takes less than 10 minutes. The issue is the 2150s do not require the resitor pack and the 1600s are like normal mitsu injectors and do. So when I switch injectors back I have to wire the resistor pack back in.
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Ahhh. Peak, hold vs. saturated. In my truck, there is a single connector on the firewall that the injector wiring harness plugs into.
You can see it, and my resistor pack at the top of the photo.
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Have one with the resistor pack, and one without. Quick change....extra harness from pick a part, or parts car.....
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Its the same in your truck and my car ;).
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Well its almost mechanically done, fuel system is plumbed, boost controller installed, vac lines done. Have to remove some things to install the scattershield and install the harness after its completed tonight, but then just safety equipment.
Took a few pics with the blackberry, will get real ones next week when the rest of this is completed.
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John, looking good ... what size is that turbo ?
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GT4202R, 74mm dual ball bearing Garrett unit.
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looks like a Buschur COP in there....
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Thats because it is ;)
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looks like David is in the LSR business without realizing it. :-)
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Chute is on, sorry for some more crappy blackberry pictures. Almost time to dust the car off (wash it). Its getting really close now but I won't wash it until it moves under its own power.
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looks good
terry
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Its getting really close, fire systems are next and install the harness.
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Nothing like a little thrash, put together the punchlist yet? sup terry...
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Chute is on.
Good looking mounting John ...
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Thanks guys, punch list is there.
Sadly I was just informed close friend is having his wedding that weekend and am put in a tough possition as to if I can make the Hotrod event or not because of this now. He only gets married once, I can break records the rest of the year. Perhaps I will leave for the wedding and then come back to race.
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What's this "He only gets married once" stuff? These days it's pretty common for the average person to get married twice, if not more. So - analyze the situation, try to decide if he's found a real keeper, THEN decide whether the wedding or the Hot Rod event is more important.
See you at the track. .
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John, I see your point and SSS's
Tough choice,,, I would Tech the Car on Friday,,, dash off to the Wedding and then come back to make a few runs on Sat if possible, but at least make it back to run on Sunday.
Hope to see you at some point in April....
Charles
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Whoa -- I just paid attention to the calendar -- and three weeks from today we'll be at Maxton. Time's running out for you slackers -- get it in gear and be ready for the fun. I'll be on the naked ZX12R just doing some test and tune runs, probably not even spraying it. I'll be really careful, because the very last time I rode that bike was at the end of October a few years ago -- when I managed to window the cases. At the price of the new crank (the old one was a weld-up stroker) I don't want to hurt things 'til at least when I'm really in the throttle to try for a record - not just some data.
Yes. we've got our motel reservations. Yes, I've reserved a spot for both of us at the banquet. Yes, I'll have a few landracing.com bumper stickers and neck coolers available for sale/donations.
See you all soon!
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Okay hopefully today is the day I install the fire supression systems. A few questions again, I have 5lb halon kits and here is the plan for nozzles and placement, I am open for any input or changes.
Kit 1 is for the engine bay each kit has 3 nozzles and 2 discharge ports. The plan is to run one nozzle/discharge posrt high and down on the fuel rails. The second discharge would be split, one nozzle on the header and a second nozzle on the oil pan area.
Kit 2 one discharge would go to the dash and 1 nozzle spray at the passenger side firewall area and the second nozzle spray at the drivers side firewall/feet area. Leaving me with one more discharge port or nozzle where else in the cabin needs one?
Perhaps it better a start a new thread on this anyway.
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Sadly I was just informed close friend is having his wedding that weekend and am put in a tough possition as to if I can make the Hotrod event or not because of this now.
Some close friend, getting married on a race weekend ... hell he can get married any old weekend !
How about one that is rainy outside ?
:-P
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Is it halon or FE36???
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Halon
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Rulebook asks for the engine bay nozzles to be at the oil pan and header levels. Fuel rail? your choice extra protection. The experience is that the bottom end goes, knocks a hole in the pan and the header catches the oil on fire.
On the interior. passenger side? Ok transverse engine... The extra position I've seen, and like, is on the bottom of the steering column.
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Halon...the good news is halon is the best agent for putting out the fire, the bad news is that you can not get them refilled ( as of two years ago). Hope you didn't just buy them from Jegs or Summit. They are all ready two years out of cert.
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Thanks for the advice on the phone Joe!
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Thanks for the advice on the phone Joe!
What phone did Joe reccomend ?? LOL LOL :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I thought he sold racing parts ?? Not Phones,,,,
Charles
OK,, having to much fun now,,,,, see you in April
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oh boy... cabin fever has set in!! lol dont worry! 2 weeks an a day an we will be on the road to maxton. i cant wait! its been a looooooong winter! im ready to smell some race gas an go fast!
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IT LIVES!
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
terry
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So, are you racing, or eating wedding cake? :-D (maybe Both?)
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We will know by Weds.
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Had a couple of issues arise I have had to take care of but car is finally almost ready for the dyno.
Couple more blackberry pics
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Hopefully it will be ready to hit the rollers next weekend.
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Couple of better quality pictures, still needs some cleaning but its getting there.
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Are you ever gonna race it or are you just gonna do an autobiography about it. LOL.
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ouch
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I was just gonna tow it to Maxton to wax it, we can race your car ;).
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Nice show car! :mrgreen:
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Made a lot of progress lately, and overcame some issues. Car is now waiting on a fan that is on backorder until the 12th because I do not have enough fan with the larger intercooler. If all goes well perhaps I can run this month at Maxton, but with my luck it will be in 2015 before I get it all ironed out.
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I hear ya, this is the latest response i got on my new clutch... as of yesterday
I just called Jeff at QuarterMaster. He told me he is waiting on machining. From what I understand, they have to break down the whole machine and set it back up just to drill your piece, so the mass-produced items are in front. Long story short, the drilling should be done today or tomorrow. After that, it should be done very quickly.
I’ll let you know as I get more info, Thank You,
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Mike I know someone who has been waiting weeks for a"mass produced" clutch from them to be made properly after they shipped it out at the wrong specification. I am holding judgment for now but I hope the new owners of Quarter master get on the ball as I have heard several stories like this. I hope you get a good clutch and don't have anymore drive train problems, you deserve it.
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When did Quarter Master change hands? Did the problems start with the change in ownership or were they developing a long time before that?
What do you think about Tilton?
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Reichen has a Tilton in the evo, I am looking at purchasing one for the talon now. If you have the cash it is by far the best choice.
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yep, cash. Tilton is double the Quartermaster setup which ain't cheap either...
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Saltfever- Quarter Master has actually changed hands a couple of times in the last couple of years I do believe. I think most of the problems I have heard of with customer service and quality controll have been recent. They had some durability issues, but that is to be expected as these Mitsubishi guys are putting a full on race clutch in a daily driven street car and expecting them to last for 50,000 miles.
I used to use the QM clutch when I was at a lower power level- and they where(are ?) a great clutch. They where recently (within a year or so) purchased by one of the large after market company's, I have a friend who deals with them so I'll find out who it is ,I new before but have forgotten.
I now run a Tilton dual carbon with hydraulic throw out bearing and let me tell you it is the best clutch I have ever owned(I've run it for 4 years now). They love heat the more heat you throw at it the better it works, it is very easy to modulate, unlike a QM (different materials).
Mike -when youget your clutch and if all the specs are rite for your app.-I assume it is a custom order- you will be so happy with it I'm don't think you'll know what to do with yourself.
P.S.- don't slip it alot, Quarter Masters do not like alot of heat.
P.P.S.-The Tilton is a lot more than double the cost of a Quarter Master, but it is well worth the money if you need that much clutch.
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What size QM clutch and is it a twin or tripple disk ?
Charles
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Cajun, It's a 7.25 twin disk, It's supposed to hold 750lbs of Torque, when I make more than that, I'll be able to afford the Tilton :-)
and Trust me Mike, I really looked hard at the Tilton Carbon Carbon setup. I just couldn't pry open my wallet that far.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback on clutches. :-D
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Mike I wouldn't worry about that clutch not holding the power, they are good for dsm's runing in the 9's in the 1/4 all day.
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Notice how the folks on here always come thru in the clutch??!! (Sorry - the Devil made me type it)
Dan
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Ok enough threadjacking, back to John's TSI
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Its all good, my clutch was having trouble on the dyno, wouldn't hold past 35 psi 84X AWHP, put in new discs and floaters. If it doesn't hold at more power now it will be time for a Tilton.
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Took the car to the dyno today, found the limits of e85 on my setup. Car made 832awhp 567tq at 38-39psi and 13* of timing peak. Air fuel in the mid to high 11s, we will go back and try again on e98 and if needed import. Should have more room to grow with more octane. Hitting the track next weekend!
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Had I had the e98 that was in it last time it would have crushed the old numbers. Clutch is holding so I will leave it alone until after next weeks race.
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Is it E-98 because of the denatured additive or is it 2% gas? If 98% why not just use 100% methanol which is cheaper? I realize ethanol it is not as corrosive as methanol and has more heat energy than methanol but since E-98 is not readily available I was interested in your thinking. TIA :-)
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Its e98 because 100% ethanol is consumable as a alcohol. And ethanol doesn't require as much of a fuel system as methanol, I am at 86% duty cycle on 2150cc injectors right now at 50psi base fuel pressure, on methanol they would have been done long before this. I may end up back on gas, VP import, it will pull me further back on the duty cycle and have more than enough octane.
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Thanks for the information John. Will you make Speed Week this year?
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1 more lb of boost 1-2* of timing e98, 864whp, ran into a issue should have it fixed and on the dyno again tomorrow.
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Nice! Looks like a slight issue at the top .....
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888hp 611tq
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Went back to the dyno tonight and found a few interesting things, the 1.01 - 1.28 housing swap cost me 150rpmish spool but at the same boost level picked up 50whp. Onto the good stuff, car made 1033hp/658tq STD it made 1021hp 651tq uncorrected and 1007hp 641tq SAE, so no matter what way you slice it.
I left the dyno files on the computer at work so I will post them later. I cannot begin to thank my sponsors enough, Brian and Jason at Wier's automotive for all the help and place to work on the car over the years. Tom and Dave for providing me a hell of a EMS; Marco for all the help and the Manifold; Ron for years of **** talking, support and and hell of a manifold; and finally Chris, Ben and the rest of the guys at national speed for the dyno usage.
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Dyno graph
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So when are you gonna quit "Dyno Racing" and put it on the Track? 8-)
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Hope to start testing it at the drag strip next weekend.
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How's the truck Mike?
Is it ready for Maxton soon?
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How's the truck Mike?
Is it ready for Maxton soon?
How much damage did you find in your engine after Loring? Have put a few rods through the block, so to speak myself. Hopefully it was limited to the top end. Thanks for the advice.
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How's the truck Mike?
Is it ready for Maxton soon?
I put the flexplate on backwards, starter doesn't engage, gotta pull the whole thing back out and turn it over. what a PITA.
Plans are for World Finals in October.
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Took the car to the track last night to try to get it down the track for a full clean pass, unfortunately I left the laptop at home so I could not turn the power all the way up and the track was junk but did get closer to making a full pass.
First pass off the trailer got to aggressive with the launch spun hard, then when the car went into 4th and across the 1/8 mile car spun badly and went toward the wall so I lifted corrected and got back in it but it had fell so far out of boost it barely made it by the time I crossed the line.
1.7 60''
6.4@124.6 1/8 mile
10.0@144.1 1/4 mile
Had I just breathed and not lifted first pass off the trailer tonight would have been a solid 9. Best I can tell boost was in the mid 30s.
Unfortunately track was packed so I watched 70 or so street cars tear up the surface and put water all over the place before I could try again. Left with a little less boost but spun again, and then the show started. Car ran hard left and touched the center line, I lifted and shifted then it ran hard right, I lifted and shifted and it ran hard left again, once in 4th I was just sawing the steering wheel back and forth the rest of the run. Track guys wanted to tech the car because it was all over the place, after they did I decided it better to bring it home and change some things and wait for a better prepped track before I hurt myself the car or someone else. With all the lifting and crap car went...
1.61 60'
6.6@106.8 1/8 mile
10.1@148.3 1/4 mile
Gonna put in some active toe eliminators, replace a couple bushings that are not urethane in the rear and perhaps a new set of slicks and lower tire pressure. May try some Hoosiers for more contact patch as well.
Overall I am happy, car didn't break and I can try again with a few changes later and have a lot more boost to throw at it.
Hope to finish this thing up to make a race at Maxton before the ECTA moves and I have to drive across the country to race.
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Finally got that thing off the Dyno... at least at Maxton you won't have to kill yourself with the hard shifting and such, and the track is a bit wider, did the Tech guys give you any "suggestions"?
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Yeah went back to the track a week later, only made one pass due to the heat, lifter twice after the 1/8 and still went a 9.7@149. Hoping to do some more testing at rockingham today with the new rear suspension changes.
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Well went back to the track again today, and after waiting 6 hours to get the tree working and watching 4 hours of pinks style arm drop racing got to make 1 pass. Fuel sloshing issue killed me again as pickup sucked air and shut the car down at the top of 2nd and 3rd also lifted when it got loose for a second on the big end. Eighth mile MPH showed promise though I botched the launch.
1.700 60'
4.658 330'
6.655@131.7!
9.797@156.37
Car hit the wall after that and we didn't get any more passes. One clean pass and this thing will really move!
Fuel cell install this week!