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Thrust-powered Land Speed information => Discussions on absolute land speed records => Topic started by: Blue on July 28, 2009, 01:30:52 AM
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With little fanfare, Rosco McGlashan has launched AI-5. The vehicle is an attempt on the 1000+mph barrier.
It is simpler, cheaper, and more robust than its competitors. Kind of a Blue Flame on steroids. I wish them the best of luck.
IM<HO, the design is lower in drag, more stable, and higher in performance margin than the high-profile competitor from across the pond. It is certainly less expensive. Time will tell who can produce results on the playas of the world.
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Sounds like the script from the movie "land speed" :-D More power to them. Be good to see an ALSR showdown.
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You certainly hit the nail on the head.
Regards
mark@aussieinvader.com
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Sounds like we may be beginning a new golden age of active pursuit of the absolute land speed record.
Hope they do well with this effort!
Larry
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Exactly what I have been saying, that with 3 teams all going for the record, it could well be the golden age again.
This LSR challenge is going to be played out on the world stage over the next few years, as no team is going to go for 1000 mph straight away. The record will be pushed up incrementally, to test the cars and drivers. This will give the other teams time to respond and create a great global event.
Like all record attempts we are looking for backing to complete the car and rocket engine development, although we are building the car and have some really great people involved. So if any of you know of a company or organisation that wants some great exposure please email me - mark@aussieinvader.com.
We have been approached by 3 separate media companies in the last month, all wanting to make documentaries on our car and team.
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Let battle commence :-D :-D :-D :-D but remember who won the Ashes :evil: :evil: :evil:
Good luck with your project Mark, drive safe. :wink:
Sam. :cheers:
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The funny thing is I am a Brit, living in Perth, Western Australia, so I was actually supported the Poms for the cricket, however when it comes to LSR and working with Rosco McGlashan, he is a legend and I want to help him get the record, he deserves.
He has been working for this for over 40 years and this is his 3rd and last LSR car, he has run 643 mph on salt. he is the most dedicated and driven guy I know. he left school at 12 after seeing Donald Campbell break the LSR 1964 and said to his mates, I can build a car faster than that. He lied about his age at 12 and got a job working up north in the mines and started speedway and drag racing. He still holds the world record for going 253 mph on a hydrogen peroxide go kart over the 1/4 mile.
A few years back he went to Russia to get the most powerful jet engines he could and was kidnapped by the mafia and fought his way out single handed with an iron bar.
I see a bit of talk about the unlimited record not being valued by some of the guys on here, well this is his dream, and shame on you. I believe I and the rest of the team can help him achieve it.
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May his dream come true!! Good luck fellas!
Lynda
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The funny thing is I am a Brit, living in Perth, Western Australia, so I was actually supported the Poms for the cricket, however when it comes to LSR and working with Rosco McGlashan, he is a legend and I want to help him get the record, he deserves.
He has been working for this for over 40 years and this is his 3rd and last LSR car, he has run 643 mph on salt. he is the most dedicated and driven guy I know. he left school at 12 after seeing Donald Campbell break the LSR 1964 and said to his mates, I can build a car faster than that. He lied about his age at 12 and got a job working up north in the mines and started speedway and drag racing. He still holds the world record for going 253 mph on a hydrogen peroxide go kart over the 1/4 mile.
A few years back he went to Russia to get the most powerful jet engines he could and was kidnapped by the mafia and fought his way out single handed with an iron bar.
I see a bit of talk about the unlimited record not being valued by some of the guys on here, well this is his dream, and shame on you. I believe I and the rest of the team can help him achieve it.
Hey Mark, with you and John ackroyd in the team, they should be OK, a bit of help from the UK can't be bad. :-D :-D
The thing is, who will get there first ? Will the Blue Streak look-a-like streak into the lead with the Bloodhound hot on it's trail :roll: :roll: :roll: Being a member of the Bloodhound supporters club, I hope it's the other way about. :-P
I get to meet the Bloodhound team at one of their open days in Coventry in a few weeks time, I'm really looking forward to it.
I wonder if you could get a bookie to give you odds on who will be the first to crack it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Regards Sam. :wink: :cheers:
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Thanks Sam, either way there is a friendly rivalry and respect between the teams.
The truth is that finance for both teams is an issue and will probably play a part. No one team is going to go out and break the record straight away, it will be built up over a period of time and this will allow the other team to respond hopefully, which should make it more interesting. It will also allow the cars to be tested and make sure they are as safe as possible for the drivers.
The 2 cars have different approaches, Bloodhound is quite complex with 3 different engine types, where as Aussie Invader 5R is very simple.... brute force with 200,000 hp on tap. I want to see those engines fire and what a ride... Rosco will be sitting in a car that is capable of burning 2.25 tons of HTP and about 320 kg of JP5 biofuel in 20 seconds.
Enjoy the day with the Bloodhound team, they are a very professional outfit.
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LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jim
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"LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run."
LSR 100, not 1000?
What pace to run? -- as fast as you can!
Stan
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LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jim
Demmitt?? :-o
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thundersalt thats funny. :lol:
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thundersalt thats funny. :lol:
That's what I was thinking,Im confused on the LSR 100 or 1000 guess we will wait for the proof of the claim.
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"Under construction"
http://lsr1000.com/ (http://lsr1000.com/)
Mike
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I see the dynamic duo (turd bird and pap smear) have made a mess over on Bangshift.com so I thought they might be resurfacing here.
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I see the dynamic duo (turd bird and pap smear) have made a mess over on Bangshift.com so I thought they might be resurfacing here.
:-D
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LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jim
Demmitt?? :-o
It is them!!! :-o :-o
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crap....not again!.....
kent
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Maybe it is. :-o
http://www.bangshift.com/forum/index.php?topic=15379.0
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NO COMMENT
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(http://plaza.ufl.edu/sabat/demmitt.jpg)
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Glen , you're a stronger man than I.
The idiot is going to contaminate another good forum with his drivel!
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Oh, it's worse.
He wants to bring Ratliff onto Bang Shift....
(I cringe at the thought)
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Be warned folks, new member "LSR1000" is Jim Demmitt.
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Maybe it is. :-o
http://www.bangshift.com/forum/index.php?topic=15379.0
It's deja vu all over again... :-o :-o :-o
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The October issue of National Geographic Adventure magazine and the October issue of Popular Science
magazine both wrote articles about the NAE. The PS one was not to flattering and glorified the Bloodhound
project in order to make the NAE project look like a bunch of amateurs compared to the very intelligent and well managed British. The NGA article on the other hand, was more complimentary and friendly toward us Americans. I was more than a little pissed when much of the scientific explainations about the shock wave and mitigation of said issue was attributed to Noble when in fact I was the one who spent many many phone calls working with the PS writer explaining to them how that all works. At the same time, I do have to admit that on the Wednesday, as the story is told, that the team members (after three previous long hard days) did sleep in. What do you expect from a team comprised of volunteers that pay their own way and do this for the love of it, not the money. I make no appologies for them, they are grown adults and know how to make their way in this world.
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Ed
The media has a way of printing what they think will sell. I hate to do interviews with them in the timing trailer. I have the PS mag and agree with you, it was very one sided.
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I may be way offbase on this, but I beleive Popular Science is a British owned magazine so that may explain the slanted views.
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Also saw the PS article and thought the same. One observation I had was at least there was a real pic of the NAE making a run and just "cartoons" of Bloodhound.
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Ed....just remind yourself that the magazine needs readable articles..... when you guys start having success and that journalist recontacts you....tell him you thought he didn't do you justice on the last article and maybe he ought to "piss up a rope"......
Kent
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I may be way offbase on this, but I beleive Popular Science is a British owned magazine so that may explain the slanted views.
Smitty, pretty sure PS is US publication based in New York.
If it's any consolation to Ed, I was part of the SSC team from the beginning and can tell you that we had our fair share of incompetent reporting throughout the project. Even when things were going well and the record within reach, some of the stuff being written was sloppy, inaccurate and bore little resemblance to what actually happened or was provided via briefings. That's why we always placed such emphasis on getting the real story told via the website. I'm with Kent and would add that most of the press never let the facts get in the way of the story they want to tell. It's annoying but sadly it's the way it is.
Cheers
Robin
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Robin... I'm pretty sure you're right. I may be thinking of Discovery magazine, or something... I just look at the pictures anyway.. those books have a lot of really big words! :-D
I find it better to get information from the horses mouth rather than 3rd hand from a reporter that can't tell a King Pin from hair gel.
Smitty :cheers:
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You guys (and gals) are fellow racers and understand the difficulties that come with this hobby. Maybe I'm just a little to sensitive because I see it from the inside and really get browned off when someone doesn't speak well of the committment and tenacity extended by a team of extremely dedicated folks. I also worry that a potential sponsor might read an article about us that isn't flattering and turn the other way. I also worry about my existing sponsors and the lack of mention in the article on PS. I guess I'm just a worrywort. Either way, we're pressing on..........Ed
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You've all discovered how we can be misrepresented in the press. Sometimes it's because the reporter was not taking careful/correct notes, sometimes it's because the reporter/news organisation has an axe to grind, sometimes it's plain old incompetence. I write my own news releases and usually (Usually!) the story is much closer to the truth.
Of course -- you can't do this for something like a magazine that has sent a reporter, or a film/video crew, but maybe they'd let you hand them a prepared release when they're doing their interviews and recordings. If you can do that -- hand them some information with the facts all correct -- at least MAYBE the number of mistakes in their article or video will be smaller.
I stress maybe -- becuase while the last article I wrote for the hometown newspaper was good, they still farkled the caption for the photo that I included. I wrote the caption for the photo -- but when it was printed they changed my speed from "Wennerberg has ridden this bike to speeds over 195 mph" to "Wennerberg has ridden this bike to speeds over 240 mph." Dang -- I wish it were so.
Back to the subject -- if you know they're on the way to interview you, try to have a handout for them stating your side of the story in a factual and believeable manner. They might even use it.
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slim... i don't think the problem was with erroneous facts but more like disparaging context...... what some of these "so called journalists" don't have is respect.... some if not all can see the direct cost involved in a project but rarely see the indirect costs.... yes they might even consider time off of work a few days a week or missed wages due to racing and testing but few think about the cost to our friends and families or the efforts of our sponsors.... what about the sacrifices our families and friends make..... including ourselves..... we get excited about coverage and exposure to our hard work on a project we love only to have a douche bag wanna be journalist slam ya because he thinks it will make a better story.... a good journalist has respect and can write a story so show some..... next time PS wants to do an story Ed.... tell em to send some one with "respect"
Kent
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Kent -- Nice post. You're probably right -- I didn't see the article and guessed (wrong, it turns out) about the errors in facts. It's sad that the writer was slamming Ed's efforts -- much worse than just getting some numbers or design theories or something incorrect.
By the way, I elected to ban someone from the Forum last night. I think I've made the correct "executive" decision, but am willing to listen to you members to see if you'd like me to lift that ban.
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let me guess who.....turd bird?.... if so, good call.....
kent
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:-D Slim, your the Boss, do what's necessary! (It wasn't me was it? lol ) Crow
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What about WWW.BULLETPROJECT.COM
Anybody ever hear about this plan?
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Hard to tell. At my end, the website is very crippled.
Mike
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LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jim
www.LSR1000.com
Is this project for real?
Is there a car, plan, timeline,
website, money, anything other
then a hype blog on a web forum?
Did you buy the Breedlove/Fossett car?
I hope this thing is a go, stop teasing.
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LSR100 has jumped into the ALSR chase and we are looking for any info on a suitable pace to run.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jim
www.LSR1000.com
Is this project for real?
Is there a car, plan, timeline,
website, money, anything other
then a hype blog on a web forum?
Did you buy the Breedlove/Fossett car?
I hope this thing is a go, stop teasing.
I believe this is Demmett (BA57T-bird)
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So I just got a e-mail from the guys @ www.bulletproject.com.
They say they are serious and, like everybody else, still looking
for more funding. On their site they are looking for people to
nominate a driver. I'll do it but I've never driven over 113 mph.
Also today I got the Dec. newsletter from Rosco's AI team. They
are looking like things are happening. The next ALSR is setting up
to be the most competitive ever. Is it just me who can't sit still?
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OK, this is a little strange. The bullet appears to be an Australian project, but it's not Rosco's; so this isn't Demmitt or FR. I don't know who is advising them on the aero side, but long before anyone gets to CFD they need to make it stable and properly ruled for the design Mach number as a first-order exercise. The tails are minimal, the stability is obviously negative, and the volume distribution is nowhere near parabolic. Who are these guys?
And everyone is always in need of money. Even Richard Noble.
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This link may shed some light on the project for you Blue.
http://www.bulletproject.com/home.html
Tiny
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This link may shed some light on the project for you Blue.
http://www.bulletproject.com/home.html
Tiny
Yes, I read the site before I wrote my previous post; no light. Who are these people, what are their qualifications, what propulsion, aerodynamic, and mechanical technologies are they using that justify the claims of 1000 mph?
This is not a trivial exercise: 1000 mph on an Australian salt flat is 3,000 pounds per square foot dynamic pressure, or more than 10X the pressure that a 400 mph car at Bonneville will see. The web site answers none of these critical questions. Perhaps it will in the future.
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Some on this site believe that LSR1000 is Jim Demmitt's program. If so, I hope they have re-examined the $$$ necessary to attempt 1000 mph. Jim inquired into buying the Fossett car about a year ago and his cost estimates were 1/10th of the absolute minimum, and 1/20th to 1/40th of what the Brits spent in adjusted dollars running TSSC.
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I got a response from Mr. Demmitt on the Bangshift Forum
he said the Breedlove/Fossett car is still in the hands
of Peggy Fossett. I'll look deeper. He didn't mention
anything about the www.LSR1000.com site either.
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Just a note -
It appears the LSR1000 site has been hijacked.
In the words of former Supreme Court Justice, Potter Stewart -
"I know it when I see it".
Yep, that's what that is . . .
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Or they are trying a different approach to raising money. LOL.
Tom G.
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Using the magic powers given to me -- I've removed the links to that site. You are welcome to go where you want -- but at least this thread won't take you there directly. Thanks for the heads-up, Chris.
Unh, if you decide to go to that site -- you might want to enable "private browsing" before you do. No need to have records of having visited there. . .
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Unh, if you decide to go to that site -- you might want to enable "private browsing" before you do. No need to have records of having visited there. . .
I've been busted. :|
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This link may shed some light on the project for you Blue.
http://www.bulletproject.com/home.html
Tiny
Yes, I read the site before I wrote my previous post; no light. Who are these people, what are their qualifications, what propulsion, aerodynamic, and mechanical technologies are they using that justify the claims of 1000 mph?
This is not a trivial exercise: 1000 mph on an Australian salt flat is 3,000 pounds per square foot dynamic pressure, or more than 10X the pressure that a 400 mph car at Bonneville will see. The web site answers none of these critical questions. Perhaps it will in the future.
Hi :roll: I'm the guy responsible for the design of The Silver Bullet RV1 :roll: Hope you all understand, the design is taking a totally different approach than that of the conventional designs produced as at present. The thinking towards the design was to start from scratch and try to ignore what was being developed by the Bloodhound SSC team and Aussie Invader and find an alternative solution to the problems of supersonic travel across the surface of the earth. It's a mammoth task and one that we hope to succeed in achieving. As mentioned by Mark Read (Aussie Invader) the 1000 mph target looks to be a progressive challenge so therefore, we have a good chance to catch up with the seasoned professionals in this field :roll:
Cheers
Paul
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This link may shed some light on the project for you Blue.
http://www.bulletproject.com/home.html
Tiny
Yes, I read the site before I wrote my previous post; no light. Who are these people, what are their qualifications, what propulsion, aerodynamic, and mechanical technologies are they using that justify the claims of 1000 mph?
This is not a trivial exercise: 1000 mph on an Australian salt flat is 3,000 pounds per square foot dynamic pressure, or more than 10X the pressure that a 400 mph car at Bonneville will see. The web site answers none of these critical questions. Perhaps it will in the future.
Hi :roll: I'm the guy responsible for the design of The Silver Bullet RV1 :roll: Hope you all understand, the design is taking a totally different approach than that of the conventional designs produced as at present. The thinking towards the design was to start from scratch and try to ignore what was being developed by the Bloodhound SSC team and Aussie Invader and find an alternative solution to the problems of supersonic travel across the surface of the earth. It's a mammoth task and one that we hope to succeed in achieving. As mentioned by Mark Read (Aussie Invader) the 1000 mph target looks to be a progressive challenge so therefore, we have a good chance to catch up with the seasoned professionals in this field :roll:
Cheers
Paul
Paul
Great project and design what is the time frame of starting test runs? it seams the others are going to start in 2011. I hope our American hero Ed and the NAE can push the record to 800mph before the end of the year. Good luck to you and the team on your 1000mph goal
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Thanks for that Salt Shaker :cheers: Most emails and comments we get are usually rather insulting to say the least. I also hope NAE gets to the 800 mph before we all Bloodhound and Aussie Invader do their first runs. As for The Silver Bullet, we have only been working on this project for around 12-14 months. We have all the ingredients to make this cake but are unable to bake it until we get the funds to do so and as mentioned it other posts within these forums, the economic downturn has put the brakes on any potential sponsorship partners to date. :-(
Just before the downturn in the economy Rosco had a massive sponsorship deal in America with Ford?? I seem to recall and if that had gone ahead, he would probably have been ready to run now.
Our time line is as long as the cash flow so who knows?? We are aiming to built and run in Australia with all the parts being sourced in Australia. This part of the project is almost complete and from the problems arising with the salt flats, we have to overcome those issues also. Our in house CFD team will be running simulations soon to ascertain the stability and adjustments will then be made to the vehicle. So, it's all go here and with a little luck, we'll see you on the flats
thanks again
Paul