This diary has had no problem except the one I created. So far, so goot.
Pork Pie, are u there?
FREUD
I'll post fotos this weekend.
FREUD
how long till the car will be run. is there a target date.
RACEFAN......
Listen to the tail end of the third video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg
FREUD
I take medicine for my tenacity but it stays the same size and always points to the South Pole.and long may it point that way......just while we're here , you haven't thought of trading up to an eleven-acity?...them's the latest thing..... :wink:
FREUD
Since I was already in the folder I decided to add a sneak peek of one part that really impressed me...
This is one of the inner wheel pants... spun stainless steel.. they are really cool
Did you look before you asked Ray?
FREUD
What a coincidence, I have the same CAD program as Mr. Hume. :-D
I thought a CAD was a not very nice guy. 8-)That would be me.............
Looks OK to me. I just learned that I have a week to do my part.
THANKS and to you nonbelievers and trouble makers, I intend to do my next post in the Sioux native tongue.
FREUD
No chance of bling for Rufus. He's a veteran who's proud of his battle scars.
Bling is for guys who don't understand hotrodding.
Nice subtle little message there, Tom. :) Thanks for posting it. I hope folks enjoy reading Marlo's thoughts on things.
I'm so proud of the description that SSS gave of Target550.com and I was overjoyed thatHe does get a tad loquacious
he was able to do it without resorting to coprolalia.
FREUD
Another cute arm has been fabricated and attached.
FREUD
Ray Therat has lost his head and went to the Big Daddy Ed Roth Reunion in Mantee, Utah.
FREUD
Doc,
What happened to the Moon Discs that were on Rufus?
Tom G.
As Freud wrote, that prepares it for the concours d'elegance.
RACEFAN......
Listen to the tail end of the third video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg
FREUD
Folks, I have been posting in the Build Diary section for over 3 years.
Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Recently they have been awarded a secure listing at the TOP OF THE BUILD DIARY. How does this happen?
With 133059 views they had passed a very deserving DrGoggle and his Down Under lakester post.
FREUD
Freud,
My guess is that Franey thinks that is an assembled runner of an engine that the dish full of FOD is sitting on.
Jim
Foreign Object Debris
Doris was on me to clean up my computer desk.
I opened the drawer and found some spare images and Ray posted them for me.
No captions. I think you can relate to all of them.
Just one of our new surprise postings.
FREUD
I tried posting to respond to JD Tone yesterday -- but the 2 feet of snow we've received in the past day or two must have been the reason I couldn't get my response out. Freud's right about why two threads. As for taking up too much room on the site/server -- I guess I'd know it if that had happened, or was close to happening. Nothing from Dan P. on that yet, no increased monthly prices because we're taking up so much room.I commented on the 2 thread thing a while back. I fully understand why and suggested making both threads a "sticky" and locking the original thead but still have access to read. Never understood why that can't be done.
There is a way to post multiple photos on a single post on the Forum - and it doesn't take up mush space. I do it all the time at a race event, by storing the photos at Photobucket and just putting an automatic link to that site on the Forum post. But since there's already a site for the streamliner -- there's no big need to ask Freud or Ray to do extra duty to put the photos on landracing.com.
Thanks for looking at the Forum, everyone. I'm going to go shovel snow for a while. . .
Oh, Ray, forgive me -- but the comma cop in me has spotted a common error in your post -- and it must be addressed and corrected by me.Jeez Jon, you are as bad as my wife.
Daylight Saving Time is to do just that -- SAVE daylight. It's properly daylight SAVING(NO "S" HERE) time. No plural on the word saving, okay? Many, if not most, of the broadcast announcers make the error, but with them I simply chalk it up to ignorance. In your case I'll allow you to explain it away by letting you remind us where you live.
Best regards from your CC.
Oh, Ray, forgive me -- but the comma cop in me has spotted a common error in your post -- and it must be addressed and corrected by me.
Daylight Saving Time is to do just that -- SAVE daylight. It's properly daylight SAVING(NO "S" HERE) time. No plural on the word saving, okay? Many, if not most, of the broadcast announcers make the error, but with them I simply chalk it up to ignorance. In your case I'll allow you to explain it away by letting you remind us where you live.
Best regards from your CC.
It's so great to see projects like this. I wish more schools would offer these types of projects. When I was in school I took every shop course available and don't regret it today. More power to these kids, they will do well in the real world.
:cheers:
I guess us old guys were lucky to have the advantage in school to have these classes. Things were still built in the USA and as kids that had that chance to develop the modern things that are farmed out all over the world today. We as a nation need to bring it back to this country.
Keep those kids involved, I am proud of what you are doing.
Merry Christmas.
:cheers:
I talked to Marlo and was filled in with the details about slurry.
The main ingredient is Diatomaceous Earth. It is mixed with Jet A fuel and applied with the brush.
A substitute for Diatomaceous Earth is finely ground chalk board chalk. It's easier to buy Diatomaceous Earth.
In several instances just a specific area of the models was tested.
The 100 HP electric motor moves the air enough that the temp of the air raises 10F per minute. One result is that the JetA
evaporates more rapidly. The second is that the calculations must be adjusted as the air temp rises.
Diatomaceous Earth can be bought in large quantities if you want to paint your car and see the air flow characteristics as you
drive down the road. It's available in pallet size quantities.
Call Stan Back for pricing.
FREUD
I hope you enjoy a different look at things.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html)
Here's todays url:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/93_%20images_that_can%27t_be_overlooked/index.html
FREUD
He was the only one on the street who had a 600 amp three phase 480 volt power available and running to his garage.
Those fools that make houses for women. A real house for men would be a one bedroom house with a seven car garage. Well, those extra bedrooms do come in handy for parts storage.
QuoteThose fools that make houses for women. A real house for men would be a one bedroom house with a seven car garage. Well, those extra bedrooms do come in handy for parts storage.
I told my Realtor that I was looking for a large garage with a house attached.
You are right something like a studio apartment attached to the garage with a large storage room in the back would be ideal.
Larry
Tom, You forgot the clean room for engine assembly. Tony
I think an old 2 room schoolhouse with another shop out back within a days drive of the salt is ideal. :-D (not mine :-( )Hey. I resemble that remark. :cheers: Wayno
Freud, Ray, keep up the good work. :)
I pulled myself away from the humming bird nest (www.phoebeallens.com) long enough to do this post.
FREUD
Glenn --
I couldn't get it up(?).
Stan
I think an old 2 room schoolhouse with another shop out back within a days drive of the salt is ideal. :-D (not mine :-( )Hey. I resemble that remark. :cheers: Wayno
Freud, Ray, keep up the good work. :)
Getting Ray Therat out of his home area drove him to the floor. He decided to do a Rats Eye View and took a down under approach to his fotos.
FREUD
Doc,
The pans look great, but I think the block needs some major work. LOL.
Thanks,
Tom G.
What will this quick release be used for? Looks similar to ones used for steering wheel disconnects.
Tom G.
By changing the clearance between the rear wheel fairings and the ground a major rebuild is required.
FREUD
Freud,
Do you know that the chocolate eggs that the Easter Bunny leaves goes great with Red Wine. You have a Great Easter Day also.
Tom G.
The post will involve the plumbing for the clutch slaves.
No, but it will include nuts and nipples.
FREUD
Lynda, correct spelling is "pernickety" -- there's no "s" in that word. Really -- look it up if you don't believe me.
Okay, now it reads correctly. Thanks. Just being pernickety. . . No, there is no "s" in that word -- although common usage allows it because so many folks do put one there. Look it up.
Hey - you guys tryin' to tell me sumpin?
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.
Dean, Are you trying to get double duty out of that joke??? :wink:QuoteThat will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.
Not true! It only needs to be 5' x 5'.
And 60' tall.
While the car is being sprayed we may as well have the trailer done at the same time.
Not much consideration regarding paint until a sponsor is found. No need to paint it twice.
That's one reason for the way the metal is being prepped. It will have a brushed finish until it's painted.
FREUD
Not surprising.
Infrared thermometers are calibrated against a white calibration target. Color and surface texture strongly affect the reading. Some can be re-calibrated against a reference target that is a different color value. If you want accuracy you need a contact thermocouple.
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/119_Frank_Martinez_delivers_first_windshield/119_005.jpg)
Enjoy it.........
The last image will come as a surprise and a welcome set of answers soon about a frequently asked question.
ENJOY: http://www.target550.com/gallery/124_brakes_plumbing_dash/index.html
FREUD
Mr. Therat --
That trailer is ruining your established image.
Stan
Ongais wouldn't race it, and he was really brave, but not stupid.
Rex
She told her physician, "I had to get better. He needs to go to B'ville tomorrow."
I know the frame is pressurized so the attachment screws can't be just drilled and tapped and they should not be, but didn't see any fixture to retain them.
200 mph = (http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/9350343/0704_ht_02z+bonneville_200mph_club+john_thawley.jpg)300 mph = (http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bonneville-Salt-Flat-Racing-Competition-Coupe.JPG)400 mph = (http://www.target550.com/temp/20110818_0832r8.jpg)
500 mph = (http://store.nationalguitars.com/images/categories/Hat%20outline.jpg)What color for 500?
Please no more closeups of those FANTASTIC welds.You are totally missing the point that every picture shows multiple details that may not show elsewhere.
Since the Granite Falls Manufacturing program is cleared for their entry into World of Speed, here is a
little bit of background about them.
The url: http://www.target550.com/gallery/130_granite_falls/index.html
Read it and compare to your high school days.
FREUD
Read it and compare to your high school days.
FREUD
Thanks for waiting.
This is a short post but the next one will have a lot in it.
There will be a small part that was modified to do the opposite job for which it was designed.
A unique problem developed with the oil tank and it was a machinists method of solving it that is on a par with the project.
Here is the url: http://www.target550.com/gallery/132_knobs_knurls_kolor/index.html
There is a good chance that the next post will be on Saturday.
FREUD
Dupont Krytox is a anti galling agent that looks like Crisco but is meant for precisly that problem........ stainless vs stainless.
Have Jim give me a call if he can't find any. Bob (360) 696-1428
Freud,
Looks to me that the belt tensioner screw should have some sort of locking device to keep it from un-screwing. Lots of tension and also vibration could cause it to back off.
Rex
I would be interested in hearing opinions on how the Target 550 drive train is going to survive when the single engine Speed Demon has had documented difficulties.
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.
any chance you can post it?
franey
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.
any chance you can post it?
franey
I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:
I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:
I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:
And who says he is not nuts today?
I whiled a few hours yesterday going back over pix. Stunning work everywhere. To those wondering about the uneven splines, a look at Carroll Smith's "Engineer to Win "and the chapter "Why things break" is a great refresher.
Nice work fERD
Tman, does that mean you are moving to Canada?
We will miss you.
FREUD
This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.
This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.
Tom---I could not disagree more records are to be broken and history to be made!!!
SPARKY
QuoteThis car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.
I agree. Put it in a museum as a fantastic work of art.
But that time will come. First there is a job to do.
Tell me about a "scattershield cover"...You mean the one that goes over that big hole in the top for adjusting the fingers and counterweights?
... post 144_018...Now I'm really confused :?
... post 144_018...Now I'm really confused :?
In post 100_003 it says new oil pans were necessary due to the engines being low in the chassis. Are these the same ones that were shown back in march? Just curious its a shame if they had to be rebuilt they looked perfect! We all know however that the new ones wont be any different.
Thank you all very much for the pictures and the posts I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!
Thanks for the post Ray. IMO this picture shows the raw horsepower this machine will have, double wall headers, mostly only seen on TF/FC's.
Tom G.
Did Summers Bros ever run SCTA?
FREUD
The Hanna Moore liner has Hydraulic steering I'M told.
Arrangements are being made for testing in the latter half of 2012.On the Moon? :-D :cheers: Wayno
FREUD
The Hanna Moore liner has Hydraulic steering I'M told.
Rufus is coming out the same day the Swain modified roadster fires up.
FREUD
OK, I just spent over an hour and went through every picture on the website. The first one I could find was 06-1 and went through 155-28. What an incredible journey though time watching the build come closer to its destination.
Now Doc I am going to put you on the spot. I noticed this picture posted on the site, but could not find any updates to its progress. Sooooooo what has happened since this photo was taken?
Tom G.
For me it takes an hour just to browse thru the gallery's, you couldn't have gone through the enlarged pictures without getting caught on the unbelievably crafty detail work that is and was done on this fantastic machine.
Thanks Ray. I did a little knocking around in IE and used Panda IEXIF 2 and found the same information.
I shoot with Nikon for 2 reasons. The first is that I like its high ISO performance and the other main reason is that my best buddy shoots with Canon. If we both used the same brand what would there be to argue about? It's the old Chevy vs. Ford thing and we all know competition rocks! :-D :-D :-D
Pete
During the welding process it is important to have your welder wired properly and to wear the proper mask and gear to achieve a proper weld:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEXk1SiihoZlRu9CUaZ3W0yWNYP7DVCJtc7ohu42kW7JyiJfv0)(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUsMBmyQqsmSgSRVs832oukgIDzj4cUlDN62JgeovvzIOMxXfICmN_ir4pdw)(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQQyrp-BaC_tZgft_e8EZWSdIHdlA8TAY5SMLzqQmXgT1FZrWYzw)(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1tT3bD7ff-ktdZwqdERHvYW-eHIf1-SaUhaMPuYcTQTAuQoPO)
I thought a little perspective was necessary in the middle of this damn fine perfection. :-D
Poll: Looking at the frame on the rotisserie, how many brackets do you recognize from many hours of analyzing photos? I'm down for 80%.
In case you totally missed the number, Freud is an 80 year old guy using a computer like a pro. You see so many older people give up on trying to stay current with the technology.
Remember film? Spending hours in the darkroom trying to correct a dodgy print? After you spent hours processing the film in the first place? The cost of taking this many photos on film would be staggering.
No wonder Kodak went bankrupt.
There are numerous projects going on in the world like this one. We wish we could peek over the shoulder on all of these projects.
Thanks to all of the open minded people on this project we can sit back and take it all in. And it's glorious.
The next post will be Sunday so if the Super Bowl gets boring or your team is losing you can see our idea of sport.
FREUD
...
And don't think I didn't miss the stack of well aged wood.
... A blown top alcohol bracket racer...My apologies; the sarcasm was lost on me at first reading... duh.
I have a thought. I can`t help but wonder what will happen to the thousands of Clecos after final assembly. I am running low on these at the Shop, and wonder if having Clecos with such an impressive provenance can`t help but scare the shhetmetal parts into submission..... :mrgreen: :-D
It won't be tested at El Mo.
Marlo is making arrangements to test it on a paved track.
FREUD
It seems to me that the combination drain/vent line is a problem waiting to happen. With the opening of the line submerged in lube, any expansion of the air inside the unit due to heat, or even atmospheric pressure changes, will force lube up the tube and out. The vent really should be well above the lube level, and separate from the drain.
Looking good! You can never have too many Clecos....
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Such a beautifull car. I could never be the craftsmen that you guys are but following this build has inspried me to try to do my best on our latest build.
Thank you, :cheers:
what is being used for a pressure pump?
Hume and Pat Foster were very close. The accomplished a lot together and I feel that
Pat would have been part of this project had he not passed on when he did.
FREUD
Dust, Dust, there no dust in that shop....
I guess this is what you have been waiting for.
Be patient viewers. Arrangements have been started to have the Treit and Davenport streamliner at Speed Week 2012.
It's not set in stone but there is a good possibility.
As soon as something is firmed up it will be posted.
No reason for you to ask a bunch questions because this is all I know.
FREUD
Makes one want to jump in and make a pass.Thanks again Freud.
MAkes one want to buy a plane ticket. :-)Makes one want to jump in and make a pass.Thanks again Freud.
I was thinking the same thing Glen!!!!!!
yep, folks are paying attention and not just looking at thr purty pictures :-D
It seems that the motors were delivered yesterday.
FREUD
... a difference in diameter between the rotor pairs?...I'm still left with these questions; which I couldn't answer by reading the Whipple website. All their diagrams show a pair of equal-diameter rotors, geared together in the traditional/expected manner. Thanks for the responses- any more help will be appreciated.
... there aren't any bearing supports on the front plate for a second rotor...
... google LYSHOLM Commressor...Bingo! Thanks, Bob. The Lysholm website does answer my questions very well. I'm left with a merely a trivial question- the pronunciation of "Lysholm"! :-D
Is Gorilla glue a 'go fast' secret? (photo 182_021) Should that be in every Bonneville tool box?
Dean, if you are on the Salt stop by and identify yourself.Me too. Wayno
I'd enjoy meeting you.
FREUD
Glenn, I was thinking about that this morning. :cheers: Wayno
Glen, I hereby state that if we are both still alive for the 2013 NW Reunion, I will not only wear the same red dress that I wore for Dolan a few years back, but I will kick your Acura (screw you Slim, I will modify my own curse words!!!!) singing Karioki to anyone from
Snooky Lanson to Eric Burden (no not Eric Eyres, he couldn't sing his way out of jail).
Bob (the Singing Thug).................
And the WINNER IS: DND (Don) who will soon recieve aproximatly two tons of Zuccini (I over planted) delivered to his front porch.
Delivery date may vary.
:-o Bob :-o
There may be a day or two delay before the next posting.
FREUD
No SSS, you can not sit in it.
Maybe Nancy could.
FREUD
Marlo is making arrangements to sell the new shirts.
FREUD
Anytime T-Man.
Thank You for stopping by.
Just remember, you are second.
Woody was first.
FREUD
Ok. Now this week's post is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html)
At long last, the liner's feet hit the salt. Here's a shot of Freud trying to herd the cats for the early morning photo shoot.
Ok. Now this week's post is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html)
At long last, the liner's feet hit the salt. Here's a shot of Freud trying to herd the cats for the early morning photo shoot.
I was herding cats all weekend with our team. It sucks to be crewchief and used to being EARLY for everything. Throw an artist into the crew and I might as well had a Mime!?!?!?!??!
Good stuff, thanks guys!
What engine(s) + trans combo will it run?
That sounds like a ton of hassles to me. I'd be more afraid of flinging belts than electrons, but electrons on the salt are my specialty. Just don't spill'em!
I seriously can't wait to see this car run, but I hope the builders (and fanboys, there seem to be a lot of 'em) are prepared for 4-5 years of debugging work.
How much horpsepower will it take to go 550mph in this? (seems a lofty target!) I know that the Spectre car needed around 2000hp for it's number just over 400mph.
One other question, does the Treit streamliner have a suspension, or is it rigid?
You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.
You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.
They ran belt and gear driven dual engine 4wd in a lakester?? where did I miss this!!
You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.
They ran belt and gear driven dual engine 4wd in a lakester?? where did I miss this!!
No but the worked out their engine program, their blower issues and many of the logistics of going big speeds.
Re: 15,000 horsepower, I know for a fact if you show up with that much power the only thing that will happen is broken parts and slipping tires.... I sense a lot of fanboyism and unrealistic expectations. I may not have been coming to the salt for the last 300 years like some of you, but I know for sure they better show up with the right amount of power - not too much, not too little.
I can see value to the fact that they did a live load and unload test in the actual environment the car will be run in.
They got to set up the tent structure and do the trailer off load and on load several times. I know there were some lessons learned during that process because I remember a couple comments about needing to remember an issue to make appropriate changes.
That said Bonneville has always in my experience been a bit of a car show, some of the spectator cars are as spectacular as the race cars.
Many of us spend as much time checking out the spectator and pit support cars as we do the race cars.
Like many I was thankful that we got to see this piece in a relaxed environment where they were not in a thrash to get it on the course and running.
Not to mention that as I understand it the car was built to FIA standards for world records and will not run under SCTA rules.
Larry
Diesel, I am neither trying to rile you or provoke your responses, nor am I in anyway connected with this race car.
I have tried to follow the old axiom: there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
Saying that, I feel (and apologize if mistaken) that you take great pride in being a "devils advocate" or possibly just want to see how far you can push before someone explodes.
Speeking as a fairly knowledgable non member of the car, I have tried to patiently answer your questions in a way that most anyone can understand (and you seem very inquisitive and knowledgable).
There are several mechanical engineers who frequent this site and are amazed at the amount of engineering, research and forthought that has been put into this car.
Marlo has worked with engineers from Gates Rubber who are confident their belts can take the stress.
Moreover, it would be fairly simple to convert the belt drive to chain or even gears if neccessary.
If you have legitimate questions, it is your right to ask them, but to downplay the display of a unfinished masterpiece that was viewed with relish by probably 90% of those in attendance is degrading to not only the viewers of this site but to you your self.
I am certainly no expert, but I am at a loss as to what you hope to gain with your insistant negativism in regards to this project.
Perhaps propeller's are more to your liking. Bob Drury (360) 696-1428 any time day or night.
And thank you to tman, desotoman and hotrod for not feeling the need to break out the Franklin comparisons. I do agree, a load / unload test is a good idea. So many of us have gotten out there to find out "we can't get this D*MN thing off or on the trailer" :-D
Although I have never set a record on the salt, I designed, built, and paid for every part of my car except the paint
Diesel, there are 1,466 posts on this topic, 370 on the original thread, and 186 pages of photos.
You would do well to take the time to read the posts and check out all of the pictures and then ask questions.
The answers are out there.
The plan now is to do the first tests at the Mojave Mile the last weekend in September. Marlo bought new 250 MPH tires,
had them mounted and shaved to use when they do the "destructive" type testing on that strip. Any problems will be
addressed over the winter.
The only thing missing from the testing sequence will be the smell of NITRO.
FREUD
Dodge, I just wrote this elequent masterpiece and erased it somehow.
Anyway, Diesel I hope your beer mug sign was a peace offering and if it was I accept.
Three questions.
The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.
Three questions.
The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.
The Hume logo, complete with grapes, is attached where?
Was it a time consuming job cleaning all of the drool off? :roll:
Three questions.
The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.
The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.
Trust me when I say Horsepower will be no problem. They will be able to produce as much that is needed to get the job done. Les Davenport is a genius when it comes to motors. He also currently runs a car at the Nostalgia Drags in A/F that has beat Kin Bates whose tuner is Dean Adams, son of Gene Adams.
Trust me when I say Horsepower will be no problem. They will be able to produce as much that is needed to get the job done. Les Davenport is a genius when it comes to motors. He also currently runs a car at the Nostalgia Drags in A/F that has beat Kin Bates whose tuner is Dean Adams, son of Gene Adams.
I spent the weekend tuning a N/A gas engine on EFI with Gene Adams and Ron Pratt. Told them about your comment. They got a chuckle out of this.
Gene has a Wally from 5 different decades. Ron's won five CHRR championships in a row. Even the best get beat sometimes, Gene is proud to have you playing Six Degrees of Gene Adams, just so ya know. :-D
Having known him for many years, I can attest to the fact that he sign's his name as MARLO, and although I have many old hot rodding articles (including many Portland Roadster Show programs from the sixties and seventies where every year it seemed he outdid the previous years audatious entrys including the Hydrogen Peroxide thrust dragster from 1963 or 64).
Some articles identified him as Marlowe, some as Marlo.
Personally I know him as a friend, mentor and one funny S.O.B. (although his Canadian Humor can wear on one).
Just remember that in the LSR racing community that when you say Marlo (spelled any way you prefer) you know that whom ever is speaking is talking about one of the true inovators in our sport's history, and that no matter how many records he HAS OR HAS NOT set, He will go down with folk's like Chauvin, Ernie Immerso and many others who while trying to set records, most importantly spent most of their career's on the Salt trying to conquer different techknowlegies and idea's rather than the status quo of outdoing the norm.
If you do not understand what I have just stated, then you never will............. Bob
Congratulations Geek, you have managed to monopolize 5 pages of a thread dedicated to the build of the Treits Streamliner with your attention seeking, narcissistic bleating.
Can we get this thread back on topic please? :roll:
Topic being the celebration and enjoyment of the Treit-Davenport build.
Tman, I respect both your posts and opinion and just to update you, Diesel and I have been engaged in a off line discussion initiated by him that hopefully has not only ended our on site tug of war but hopefully started a meaningful off-site friendship.
I am as guilty as most of provoking arguement, it unforunatley is my nature, and I certainly have not meant to offend you or anyone else, sometimes I forget to let others talk............
Bob :cheers:
... Is Marlo (or Marlowe) a member of these forums?...No answers to a legitimate question?
Ray, I don't know you except from this forum. I live in Farmington and would happy to assist you to get your car ready if needed. I am a jack of all trades (master of none). Let me know if you need an extra hand. Back to the subject at hand. I was at Speed week and got to see Treit's car up close. Being an old aircraft sheet metal mechanic I have to say I have a man crush on the liner. It wouldn't matter if it ever ran or set a record, the workmanship is just beautiful. I know the immense amount of thought/planning and layout that has gone into this. It harrd for me to even fathom the amount of work and unwavering commitment it has taken to get to this point. I salute Marlow and his entire group, I hope to be like them when I grow up. I don't think I can swing Mojave but I want/need to see Treit's car run as soon as I can. Lastly, "can't we all just get along ". :cheers:
SLCMike
Tman, I respect both your posts and opinion and just to update you, Diesel and I have been engaged in a off line discussion initiated by him that hopefully has not only ended our on site tug of war but hopefully started a meaningful off-site friendship.
I am as guilty as most of provoking arguement, it unforunatley is my nature, and I certainly have not meant to offend you or anyone else, sometimes I forget to let others talk............
Bob :cheers:
I think we should all hold hands now and sing kumbaya.
Hey desotoman, the same goes for you. :-P
Dallas, I don't wish you any ill health, but if you die before me I got "first dibs" on your byline or what ever that line is on the bottom of your post's.
Every time I read it I crack up as my empty wallet hits the floor........... :cheers: :cheers:
... Is Marlo a member of these forums?...Anybody?
Update 188: http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html)
It's on the server. It shows the liner returning to the womb, so to speak. It's back at Hume's shop for more attention. There are quite a few shots of the car carrier showing that it's probably better suited for carrying the liner on the salt flats than in Hume's driveway. The little issue with the speed brake has been addressed and there are some photos of the parachute release mechanisms.
I'm doin a thrash on my race car, so I busted my hump and got the post done quickly so I could get back to work.
Here are a couple of extra images that were done while the liner was at Speed Week to go along with the post.
The plan now is to do the first tests at the Mojave Mile the last weekend in September. Marlo bought new 250 MPH tires,The Mojave Mile is September 29-30. Ok, so the stated plan is to drive 2,000 miles to do some low speed testing. Not a bad plan.
had them mounted and shaved to use when they do the "destructive" type testing on that strip. Any problems will be
addressed over the winter.
The only thing missing from the testing sequence will be the smell of NITRO.
FREUD
Our usual post pattern will be in effect this week. Ray is preparing to return to the salt on Friday
afternoon so he will likely do the post announcement Friday AM.
Thanks for your interest.
FREUD
Speaking of machining bubble gum you haven't lived until you have machined 1000 aluminum. Not 1050 or 1100, but chemically pure aluminum. It was used as a target in vapor deposition. I think machining bubble gum may have been easier.How about "Hastelloy" we called it stainless steel lead (combined the worst machining characteristics of both)
Interesting. The last one I was around was much more modern (and smaller). All the power ran thru a Ford Model A transmission which gave the operator 3 speeds and neutral.
Mike
Is there an interlock to prevent the canopy from opening at speed?
I picture reaching for the chutes or fire bottles in an emergency and opening the canopy.
I know you guys have a shot of teh top of the canopy and the NACA duct, anyone have it handy to post?
I know you guys have a shot of teh top of the canopy and the NACA duct, anyone have it handy to post?
Tman, here's a shot from Speed Week.
Ok, if the canopy switch was accidentally flipped would it make it harder to open the latch?
Ok, if the canopy switch was accidentally flipped would it make it harder to open the latch?
Only if the car was on it's lid........... :-D
Any news about the car running at Mojave this weekend? Or, did i miss an announcement in an earlier post?
DW
Just a slight correction. The url Freud posted is correct. But I added a separate section in the Menu bar for Unsung Heroes; it's not in the News section.
Bill, I showed my sister and cousin (whom I haven't seen in decades and she visited me on Saturday) the photos I shot of Rizzy giving Mitch a coin just before the "rains came down" at SW 2011. They were both teary-eyed with emotion. Keep up the good work, bro.
In the two pictures above ( not the group photo) I love that you can see the flush mount rivets filed smooth. Does anyone have a clue as to how many rivets there are in this car?
Wow... that NACA Duct is incredible ( As is the whole car.)! I'm tempted to try my hand with Aluminum, but can't really justify bunging up a perfectly good piece of metal just for practice. One of these days I'll transform all these empty "Steel Reserve" cans into something. That is as soon as the headach wears off.
Is it better late than never?
FREUD
I spent the weekend tuning a N/A gas engine on EFI with Gene Adams and Ron Pratt. Told them about your comment. They got a chuckle out of this.
Even the best get beat sometimes
Making a post is like writing a term paper the day before it's due.
I'll put one together today.
FREUD
I'm in Everett, WA and the car is in Aurora, Or. That means that I missed the
first 'fire up". I really wanted video of that. I am going back there this weekend.
Maybe I can get a repeat performance while I am there.
I'll try.
FREUD
I am certain that the people who follow this build diary are as tired of seeing this tail section as I am of posting it.
I think we should offically change Rays name to RayTheRatta Tat Tat. It's got a ring to it! : :-D
Rex, you are correct in many instances. Danny is dedicated and he slave drives himself.
Those two people respect each other. It was a no holds bared chat. Both asked questions
and both gave immediate answers. They never held back. Marlo left there with an amazing
amount of respect for Danny and he also knows what a monumental task he has ahead of him.
We appreciate Danny's invitation to come visit him. I believe that his shop will be a mandatory
stop anytime we are in the LA basin. The same invitation is extended to him if he comes to Oregon.
I'm still impressed by that dual purpose Yoder.
FREUD
W I E R D colored sox.
FREUD
It's been fun. The pace will be changing now.
It will be shifting to pre-race mode.
That's what these 12 years have been directed to.
That's gotta be a hoot.
We will continue to let our audience know what's happening.
Thanks for your comments, Peter.
FREUD
They told us that they do that so the birds won't land on them.Do the dragonflies land on them? :-P Wayno
Old FREUD
I know it's a long drive but I and so many others would be so happy to see this piece of artwork at the Ohio Mile, please consider making the trek.
Cheers for great documentation. :cheers:
Dean
superleggera.......that is not the advice that my wife was looking for.
The honey-do list is now 12 pages in a Word document.
I made certain that her PC documents can not be opened with my Mac.
I thought my new noise canceling head fones would help solve the shouting problem
but it just allowed her to approach from behind and tomahawk my skull w/o me
knowing she was attacking. I wondered why the cat jumped down from my lap.
Having the negs scanned by an outside source is an alternative.
I think I am going to travel to the foto sites on a motorcycle to save on fuel
but she doesn't approve of the word motorcycle any more than she does build diary.
I don't know that I will survive the 14 months to celebrate our 60th wedding anniversary.
The Facebook picture of me wearing a Bell helmet when I work with the computer has had
many strange comments and that's after I internally adapted the new head fones.
The advice I have had from people that I considered friends may have shorten my life.
I am contemplating bribery. Another extended Hawaiian vacation for her
seems to be an alternative.
Desperate but still driven, by my grand son,
FREUD
And believe me, the sound is m a r v e l o u s !!
Video coming soon.........mitt sound.
FREUD
others may very what?
FREUD
There are somethings I should just not wear.
FREUD
Video coming soon.........mitt sound.
FREUD
I'll get some video posted as soon as I get out from other a couple of other projects. It's kinda hectic around here.
I wish our audience from Down Under could share this experience with us.
FREUD
Speed Week 2013
Things I don't want to do:
Forget my sunglasses.
Chase my hat when the 50 MPH gust plucks it off my skull.
Forget to put the tent down when I leave.
Drive thru slushy salt all week.
Pull in the wrong line at Lands End.
Forget my gift for Lands End Lynda.
Fail to pay my annual dues at The Kilo Klub.
Lock the keys in my renter.
Get 86ed at the Klub.
Announce that for “reasons beyond their control”
the Treit and Davenport Target 550 streamliner won't be at Speed Week.
It is now planned to run during World of Speed 2013.
Doo Do happens.
FREUD.
The Target 550 liner is like a fine wine or bourbon.... it will be ready when it is ready. But when it IS ready it is worth the wait.
I read it like Pete, so no explanation needed Freud. Dammit I hate it when I am wrong, especially about this.
Keep it up!
Pete
Just a little teaser: You probably won't be seeing the blue car for the foreseaable future. We may decide to show/run the other car. LOL!
I think that big Dodge Ram logo on the front there is a clue perhaps? We will learn more in just over a week...
I guess Marlo(we) always liked two engines . . .
That's a great looking car; it resembles the JCB streamliner in many ways. One thing-- to me, the windshield angle seems to an abrupt change from the horizontal body. Would a fairing help direct the airflow over the surface?
Nice photos, Ray.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Jack can you relate to Castrol.
We don't plan to look a gift horse in the mouth.
FREUD
COME ON DOWN !! See you at the GNRS.
FREUD
The Bonneville display will be in Building 9. I've looked at the layout and can't find our place. Must be a mistake.
Yup. We're here in Pomona. And there's a new post on the Target 550 site.
You got a good kid.
Somebody has him on the proper path.
FREUD
Give Gus my congratulations. :cheers:
Ray, I wish I had someone like you doing my photos?. :-D
Always such a pleasure, thank you.
All that from a flat tire?.
Ray's the man, He makes my day!. :-D :cheers:
OK fellows. Some more patience. I am working to get a new web elf. This time I will learn how to
do the posts myself. Then I won't have to rely on someone else to do what I should have been doing
all this time. Ray started to teach me. Then we divided duties and both of us were happy.
I'll still post on Landracing.com but I need to get Target550.com, H.A.M.B and Facebook active also.
Someone will pull my sneakers out of the quicksand.
FREUD
.....Ray is still on the crew just observing the runs from a different perspective than us.
BR
But it is a lovely evennig here with a marvelous double rainbow but the parking lot i dry and so is the track.
The worst night in Wendover beats the best night at many other locations. This ain't a BAD night.
I lied an now I am paying for it. The terminal speed was 272 MPH. He ran a little past the lights.
Hi, all:
Many thanks to all who are observing from afar, and responding from various locations around the planet.
More accolades to Ray;he surely is missed by all at the salt.
Thanks to SLIM for keeping this site going; so we have such a wonderful forum.
Special thanks to Mark in Reseda; a real special guy.
Regards,
Jim
Way to go Target team. Nice for a first time out. Doc if i ever get my farm truck up there, maybe it can mate with your truck. Looking forward to tomorrow's updates, Mark.
Ready to run in the morning :-D
Are 'burst panels' legal on streamliners? Might be something to research. I'm sure this team will get it right.
Vinsky, what is your answer when it already has 6 burst panels in
it and the manifold gaskets went before the burst panels?
Dan Warner says it's all in the rule book.
FREUD
Dan Warner says it's all in the rule book.
FREUD
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Doc are you practicing your tuck?
I sent a news post to Clare Sanders, our web elf, and it will probably be posted
either today or early tomorrow. THANKS for asking.
FREUD
I just checked in on the Target 550 site. That cover shot is very impressive. Perfect back drop.
Ryan Davenport has made a video of the parachute deployment on the Target550 test at the USFRA Test & Tune.That video is the second run with the engine failure and the lost body panel. Maximum speed per the Racepak GPS on that run was 224.61 mph. The first run had a maximum GPS speed of 272.71 mph - the video for that run can be seen on YouTube here:
Here is the url: http://www.target550.com/video2014.html
Just click that link.
Thanks to Clare Sanders for a rapid post.
I think that the speed that I posted, 278 MPH, may have been incorrect. The video will tell.
The first run had a maximum GPS speed of 272.71 mph - the video for that run can be seen on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Jp8K8j5FA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Jp8K8j5FA)
Ryan
The first run had a maximum GPS speed of 272.71 mph - the video for that run can be seen on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Jp8K8j5FA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Jp8K8j5FA)
Ryan
There is a new post on Target550.com. It is under the heading of NEWS.
The url: http://www.target550.com/news.html
FREUD
The majority appreciate your efforts.
By the way, to the other at this website....if you folks didn't like my picture.....which I have to think about the "reaction" to my last pictures I "published" on this Forum....... I can stop to download picture on Landracing.....
I missed the background of what is going on but I am a Pork Pie fan!
Hey Doc Freud, is that "Rufus" trailing the Target 550 streamliner in the latest update on the website?
BR
Pork Pie......................sorry that I was mistaken. I thought that you were closer to the starting line than I was.
I planned to use some of your images in the section of my next post about run 2. The images that you gave me on
the thumb drive are the only ones that have the panel coming off, except for the video that was done with the lip stick
camera on the tail of Target 550.
I am working on the post of the setup at the Test and Tune and the first run. Then the next post will have the troubled
second run.
I apologize for my mistake. I appreciate how you share with us so very much.
THANKS for your contributions.
FREUD
Pork Pie, do NOT stop posting pictures on this site. Your photography is professional as are you and much appreciated in the land of LSR.
:cheers:
in 2011 I sent more than 70 picture CD's over the pond and around the world.....more than 50 percent didn't pay to today....the rate for 2012 is not better....
I need this donation that I can travel...otherwise I have to stay away so as in 2005....
PP as we REDNECKS say " F em if they can't take a joke"---we LOVE your picts and your LSR history knowledgeExactley
SPARKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Oar E gun.
FREUD
Behind-the-Scenes with Marlo Treit | Target 550: An Exercise in Land Speed Vehicle Construction
World of Speed USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiw1z5Zki4Y
Marlo Treit Target 550
World of Speed USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDvj4O-i8Co
Tom G.
Marlo and the crew went to Calgary, Canada and did some dyno runs.
Les Davenport has modified the Whipple blowers and that was one
of the main tests. Horsepower readings were not the main interest.
Their concern was that the timing of the rotors did not change.
It was a short testing session when one considers the distance.
So the drill now is to be ready to leave for Wendover in a few days
and continue their test program.
Be ready for Les to get his foot in it early in the session.
Come see us.
FREUD
Just protecting the metal from rust is an absolute must but how do get the numerous
hidden pieces covered? You will certainly find out what You missed when you get there.
Marlo,Freud and crew. You might want to talk to Al Teague and George Fields on what they went through to ship everything down under.
Hope it's still a go.
If we think parts are expensive just wait until the estimate
comes for transportation to OZ. This is something that we
are not prepared for.
Our research is well underway.
It's the first time we have had to deal with another government.
Now we will begin to understand what they face when they do B'Ville.
FREUD
What a nickname!
"Organ Mike"
Music lover -- or just lover?
Why are these cars doin gears, is it a weight/torque thing ??Two engine-4WD & Quickchanges. Sounds like they ate the spur gears.
Just be practical.
OK !! The Just Be Practical is when You are dealing with Officials
that can put a serious hurtin' on Ya.
Among ourselves........it's a " Can You top this week."
There's some pretty tough hombres out there.
See ya soon. That's for You also, Bill Reilly.
FREUD
I am famous! Doc mentioned me in one of his forum posts!
Doc looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. My son asked, "is that the guy on that motorcycle on the back of your T-shirt?" I said, yes it is. That is the 2011 Salts Talks shirt to be specific.
BR
Just wait until Freud gives you a nickname. :wink:
Just wait until Freud gives you a nickname. :wink:
lol Remind us of your son's Freud-given nickname. :evil:
Mike
Videos from our 2016 SpeedWeek runs are now available on the Target 550 YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC306u8S7IzK2f8_eKIE1X4g). Go to that page if you want to read the big long blabber text added to each video that tells the story of the run.
Ryan
They are having some wider tooth Q.C. gears built and are running on pins and needles until them. They also didn't realize that they had hurt one of the B&J transmissions when the Q.C.s let go at the test and tune. Also they were trying out LED shift lights because He can't read the tach or normal 12v lights on a rough course.
Their drivetrain is so radical that its going to take a while to sort it out.
Unless the get to run it a couple more times before November, I doubt they will go to Australia in December but that's just my opinion .
Also keep in mind that by underdriving the superchargers they can probably dump 50% nitro in it at any time and pickup another 1,000 h.p.
Freud, let me "consult" with you on recording the sound. I spent some time at the National Center for Audio Experimentation and learned tons of stuff - some of which could enhance the sound of passing race vehicles about a zillion fold. It's surprisingly easy -- it's called binaural sound.
It's cool stuff. :cheers: :cheers:
What?? No Azimuth Co-ordinator ??? :cheers:
All we see is a photo of an airplane drive and his vehicle.
We need 11 million tons of salt to build up the salt crust by just 1 inch on the flats - so don't hold your breath waiting for "good salt" with current annual pumping levels of 600,000 tons plus continuing salt withdrawals due to the mining.
Willi
Kraut Bros.
they are long and not large in diameter therefore pretty flexible which attenuates (reduces) shock loads
Quotethey are long and not large in diameter therefore pretty flexible which attenuates (reduces) shock loads
Long, springy driveline elements also could give rise to torsional oscillations and resonances in the driveline which may well overcome the tendency to attenuate. May not have shock loading but large load variation nonetheless. Might also have some lateral stability concerns.
This drive seems to be more cut-and-try as opposed to being thoroughly engineered. (Shaft sizes dictated by the bearings?)
So what would be the work around? Fire chutes in an upward and outward manner?On the Herbert-Steen liner we put two rows of vortex generators on each side to help pull the air around the tail & went to a bigger pilot to catch more air with a stronger spring to launch it further with a longer bridal line. It worked for that but doesn't mean it will work for this.
Create dirty air when chutes deploy? Like a flap or air brake?
National Weather Service discussion on late sunday snow: "Worst case scenarios show as much as 18 inches in the PDX Metro area...
9:17 AM - 4 Feb 2017
Frame up build for a photo shoot at Bonneville Salt Flats. New wood in cab and box, new brakes, alternator, new wiring, steering gear, aluminum radiator, 15 inch wheels, beer keg fuel tank, bone stock mechanicals, great patina and a real crowd pleaser. Oregon Title and plates.
Ask for Marlo 503-xxx-xx seven eight
The SCTA sent out an email on the 10th about Speed Week. They claim four courses;
#1 - 8-9 miles
#2 - 8-9 miles
#3 - 5 miles
#4 - 3 miles
My solution to this dilemma? H E L L ..........I don't know.
FREUD
I believe they want to check drivetrain reliability before the expense of shipping to a different continent and finding the failure there.I certainly understand the need for this. My comment was directed at the likelihood that the track will be unavailable for even modest testing. Is WF cancelled yet?
jacksoni..........to my knowledge World Finals has not been canceled.Best of luck! have been following the car/build though have not had the opportunity to see in person on the salt as we have always been occupied. Say Hi to Marlo for me. We had spent fair amount of time in the 80's and 90's talking /hanging with him when I was running my 'liner.
We will continue to assemble the car in case we do have an opportunity
to test.
It's down right necessary for us.
FREUD
How come you never considered coming to South Africa?.
Cheap exchange wise and the track is awesome.
Hospitality uneaqualed.
Looks like wheel-stands are out for Target 550.LOL. :cheers:
Freud, That's funny, They don't look upside down in this picture, what gives?Freud was standing on his head when he posted it! :-o :-D :cheers: :dhorse:
Anybody remember Al Teague's story how they unloaded his shipping container some distance from the lake bed.
Does anybody know did they seek prior approval to run DLRA since they don't meet the rules?
Sid.
Does anybody know did they seek prior approval to run DLRA since they don't meet the rules?
Sid.
I've got to ask - which rule?
"Steering must be mechanical link type" they have hydraulic steering.
Sid.
About these four cars. As I remember it there were 5 cars over 400 mph. Flashpoint went 415 as it.s best mile speed. Carboliner went 413 as it's best mile, What are we? Chopped liver?
I know Marlo didn't mean anything by leaving Flashpoint out. But to me at least, it seems as though Flashpoint is almost invisible to people when they are thinking about fast cars. 415 is not chopped liver.
I know Marlo didn't mean anything by leaving Flashpoint out. But to me at least, it seems as though Flashpoint is almost invisible to people when they are thinking about fast cars. 415 is not chopped liver.
Does anyone have a picture of Flashpoint, I`m not familiar with this car?Try http://www.runsonsalt.com/Bonneville_2017_5_2/#/1. Or https://www.facebook.com/Flashpoint7800/.
That will make at least 4 of us running for that record.
Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
That will make at least 4 of us running for that record.
Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS